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Question for CattleRMe about Consolidated Nutrition

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Jamber Ranch

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Can you give me some information on that milk replacer from Consolidated Nutrition? I look on their website and didn't see anything about milk replacer. The gains you are seeing in that 4-H calf of yours are unheard of from our calves. How much a bag for that powdered gold? How many days do you normally feed the milk replacer? We usually feed ours for 35 days plus or minus a day or two. By then the calves are eating at least 2 lbs a day of calf starter and then are ready to wean.
 
Tomorrow I'll get a tag off a bag and post to you about it. This is our second year using it and are pleased with the results.

Sticks in my mind it's 52 dollars a bag. I can look up a bill and let you know for sure.

The 4-H calf is doing awesome I've had some great compliments on him. I know for sure that is his weight as we have a set of cattle scales on the place and weighed him last week. His coat is shiny and he's in great shape no pot belly.

He is fed two bottles a day one in morning and one in the evening. He is given a gallon of a mix of calf creep feed and cracked corn morning and night. He is also given 1/2 gallon of the same at noon if all his feed is gone.

He runs on a meadow with brome grass and clover thick. We keep him fly sprayed so he doesn't have to fight flies.


We feed each bottle baby roughly one bag of milk replacer. I think we ended up and fed them around six weeks. The feed salesman told us that is how the milk replacer program suggests you do it so that's what we did.

A repeat buyer buys the calves every year. He has yet to be able to tell the bottle babies from the rest of the calves.
 
Ok the tag says it is manufactured by ADM Alliance Nutrition Inc. Quincy, IL

It is called Nurse Trate All-Milk NT Medicated

It is supposed to help with scours and I will say we only doctored one bottle baby and it was more due to just not eating then scours.

Crude Protein..............20%
Crude Fat....................21%
Cured Fiber..................0.15%
Calcium......................0.75% not less then
Calcium.......................1.25% not more then
Phosphoros.................not less then .70%
also has vitamins a, d and e

It takes 10 oz of milk replacer they provide a green cup to measure with to a 4 pint bottle.

This is the second year of using the product exclusivly and have been very happy with the results.

Of course the feed sales man and the tag suggest using their calf starter but we use co-op calf creep feed cause it's so much cheaper. Plus cracked corn.

Hope this helps if you want to talk to our feed man he's great I'd gladly PM you a name and number.
 
Thanks for the info. The only bad thing is we don't have a dealer within 250 miles of our place. I will look for a replacer like the one you have though. We used one that had 24% protein. I think the only difference in what we are doing is not leaving them on the milk as long. You said you have them on it about 50-60 days. We try to start weaning them at the 30 day point.
 
The feedsales man said we should feed a bag of milk replacer per calf. So we just keep track of how many bags we buy and when we get to the number of calves we have on the last bag we start going to just one bottle and weening them.

I think feeding them longer helps them not look like bottle babies.
 
We were told by our feed man that the longer you keep them on the replacer the more they start to show the pot belly because of the high protein. We have already discussed it and we are going to test that 50-60 day deal on 25% of our calves this fall and see was it does.

We weigh them with our scales the day they come in, the day we wean them and just before sale. I think the results we see will tell us what works best on our calves.

By the way, what breed(s) do you run. We mainly run Black and Red Angus because it is the breed of choice for the buyers in the fall and spring when we sell.

Thanks for your info. We are always looking for ways to improve our calves like I am sure almost everyone does. And Nobody runs bottle calves around here with the numbers like we do. It is hard to get good advice/information around here on better ways to do business from people who don't do it. Thanks again!!!!
 
Do you have a Vigortone dealer close by? Try their milk replacer. There are several kinds and they are second to none. One kind contains Bio-Moss and lots of folks in our area use that. All of it mixes up real well and it is MILK REPLACER, meaning it is milk. Then we recommend calves go
on VigorKalf R, a feed made especially for calves. They go right to it.
Actually if you leave the sack outside the pen, they'll try to get to it.

I know you'll be pleased with the products if you have a dealer nearby.
I sent you a PM, if you would care to check it.

Good luck!
 
Jamber Ranch said:
We were told by our feed man that the longer you keep them on the replacer the more they start to show the pot belly because of the high protein. We have already discussed it and we are going to test that 50-60 day deal on 25% of our calves this fall and see was it does.

We weigh them with our scales the day they come in, the day we wean them and just before sale. I think the results we see will tell us what works best on our calves.

By the way, what breed(s) do you run. We mainly run Black and Red Angus because it is the breed of choice for the buyers in the fall and spring when we sell.

Thanks for your info. We are always looking for ways to improve our calves like I am sure almost everyone does. And Nobody runs bottle calves around here with the numbers like we do. It is hard to get good advice/information around here on better ways to do business from people who don't do it. Thanks again!!!!
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We buy black and black baldy calves for the most part. The little girl on the place buys chaolais. We buy the blacks cause they fit in with our home raised calves we sell in the fall.

Nobody around here runs bottle babies or milk cow raised calves like we do either. My mom started it all wow about 7 years ago. So she knows all about trial and error.

What kinda feed are you offering to your calves? I was gonna feed ours showflake because they really eat it and the feedman told me not to as it's to starchy and leds to potbellies. I think it's a combination of the milk replacer used and the feed offered. I would strongly recommend then calf creep pellets and cracked corn. They are doing really well on it.

My Dad is feeding part of the calves distiller pellets as he got a deal on them however in Mom and my opinion the bottle babbies on the other are gaining and looking better. Nice hair coats and no pot bellies. The other calves don't so much as have the bellies but they don't seem to shine like the bottle babies are.
 
Faster horses said:
Do you have a Vigortone dealer close by? Try their milk replacer. There are several kinds and they are second to none. One kind contains Bio-Moss and lots of folks in our area use that. All of it mixes up real well and it is MILK REPLACER, meaning it is milk. Then we recommend calves go
on VigorKalf R, a feed made especially for calves. They go right to it.
Actually if you leave the sack outside the pen, they'll try to get to it.

I know you'll be pleased with the products if you have a dealer nearby.
I sent you a PM, if you would care to check it.

Good luck!
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Do you have anyone feeding lots of calves that have proven the product? There is a big difference in feeding one or two calves to a large bunch of them as we all know. I am just curious as every feed company out there thinks they have the best product but as for us we prefer to talk to people who are volume buyers and users. As with our feedman he wanted us to use his calf starter pellets from his company but we just couldn't see the difference in the calves for the difference in price. Just like with any business venture the object is to keep expenses down to increase profit so why pay for a name when another product does the same thing?
 
Oh, yea. We have a large volume of calves on this product. Like HUGE numbers of calves.

I wasn't going to post under this thread until Jamber Ranch couldn't get the product you mentioned. I know our milk replacer products are superior products and only wanted to help. As far as costs/profits go, it is less money than what your is.

And how can you know if you get the same results with one product over another if you have never tried the other? What is so wonderful about our calf pellets is that they calves love them and go right to them. They also contain Rumensin and are processed so the calves utilitze the nutrition efficiently. But mostly I was giving information about the milk replacer. One reason your works so well is that it is milk based, as is ours. Many milk replacers are not.

You started out saying yours was from Consolidated Nutrition, then came
back and said it was ADM. ADM is Archer Daniels Midland, a company that owns most of the soybean plants in the United States. As such, they compete with ranchers for the consumers protein dollars and some ranchers would rather not do business with that comany.

Again, I was only offering an option that I knew would work for Jamber Ranch if it was accessible, which your isn't.
 
Ok, I finally got a chance to look at all the bags. We start out with a milk replacer that is a white bag with blue lettering. It is called "Calf to Cow" calf beginner milk based milk replacer. It has 20% protein and 20% fat. We have a calf starter called "Woody's Sweet 16" that is carmilized and texured. It has 16% protein as is mainly made up of flaked corn, flaked barley, and flaked oats. We offer this on about day 5 and they stay on it until they hit about 300lbs. We then start to mix in a pellet called Hubbard Supergain 14 B60. We switch them in a 14 day window going from 25% mix all the way to 100%. Once the calves hit about 375 to 400lbs we start mixing whole corn with it at about a 25% mixture. If you guys have a better game plan, let me know cause I have gotten alot of new ideas from you already. Not all we will use, but some are surely worth a shot on a test group of 7. We always test on 7 because that it what our group size is until they get to straight pellets. We use the average gain for the 7 tested and our normal groups and it always tells us what is working and what isn't.
 
Faster horses said:
And how can you know if you get the same results with one product over another if you have never tried the other? What is so wonderful about our calf pellets is that they calves love them and go right to them. They also contain Rumensin and are processed so the calves utilitze the nutrition efficiently. But mostly I was giving information about the milk replacer. One reason your works so well is that it is milk based, as is ours. Many milk replacers are not.

You started out saying yours was from Consolidated Nutrition, then came
back and said it was ADM. ADM is Archer Daniels Midland, a company that owns most of the soybean plants in the United States. As such, they compete with ranchers for the consumers protein dollars and some ranchers would rather not do business with that comany.
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All I was doing was asking questions I see no profit if more of the milk replacer I mentioned sells or not. Every sales person I know believes their product is the best.

Yes I did believe it was Consolidated Nutrition because the feedman is involved with the company or was there have been so many changes in the feed industry but he's with whoever consolidated with Moorman feeds. He had suggested we try the moorman milk replacer too but then himself said it was more costly. If you noticed I said I'd get a tag and make sure and then posted what in fact it was. We feed bags and bags of the stuff and I buy it from a local guy who's name of his feedstore is infact his brand.

I guess the reason I feel I can say that the Co-op pellets are working just as well as others is that in this area of the people that know of our calves and especially the 4-H calf cannot get over how he looks and the way he's growing. Yes I also did try the feedmans calf started pellets but just couldn't see that big of difference in how they ate them or how they looked to constitute the difference in price. I don't like to feed products with Rumencin to the bottle babies due to two little helpers that at times don't get gates shut and such and having horses around the barn too it's not worth the risk. However not having rumencin in the feed is totally justified in the two little excited helpers that are truely apart of the bottle baby venture. Being involved in 4-H we all seem to discuss what everyone else is doing and from looking at our calves they look great and not because they are ours because they truely do. Last fall when the repeat buyer came to buy our calves meaning off the commercial herd he couldn't even pick the bottle babies out and to me that says we did a good job feeding them.

Everyone can have one or two bottle babies in but it takes raising several at a time per year to see the results and the gain in profit or the loss and so much of bottle babies is the choice of milk replacer and what you feed them.
 
I certainly agree, and I'm really happy when the bottle babies DO NOT
LOOK LIKE BOTTLE BABIES.

It's all in nutrition. I'm glad you are taking terrific care of yours.
Again, I only got into this discussion when the product you spoke of was
not available.

Of course there is good milk replacer and a lot of not so good.
I wanted to point out another brand that I KNEW was good, since
what you receommended was not easily accessible.

Sorry if I upset you. It was never my intention.
 
Nope I wasn't upset just stating what we do and how it works. Plus I was curious about your product since I got the inkling it might be cheaper.
 

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