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Public Being Misled on Canadian Border Issue


(Billings, Mont.) – The following statement should be attributed to R-CALF USA President and Founder Leo McDonnell, who also is a Montana rancher and owner of one of the largest seedstock sources in North America:



“It’s unfortunate that Washington-based columnist Jim Wiesemeyer – who writes Inside Washington Today – failed to check his facts and sources before publishing on March 15 an article titled ‘Japan Tells R-CALF Their Actions are Delaying Resumption of American Beef Buys.’



“Wiesemeyer and others have falsely insinuated that R-CALF met with Japanese officials and that an R-CALF representative was told that ‘R-CALF’s actions will actually delay the re-opening of the Japanese border’.



“R-CALF has not met with any individuals or groups who officially represent the government of Japan.



“R-CALF USA obtained an unofficial transcript of a Japanese news conference on March 17th by Japanese Under-Secretary Ishihara with the Japanese Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries.



“Part of the unofficial translation of that news conference indicates: ‘Japan has been consulting with the government of Canada at working group level meetings. We have been asking both the U.S. and Canada to take equivalent measures to ours, then we will decide if Japan will resume beef imports from Canada or not, regardless of whether the issue between the U.S. and Canada is resolved or not.’



“Again, it is unfortunate that there are those in the media who start such false rumors, but it seems like this ‘BEEF Enquirer’ type of reporting has become acceptable in some circles.”



“No credible food-safety groups, nor any credible science-based groups have supported this non-sense, that relaxing or liberalizing our import standards to Canada will help the United States in opening up the Japanese export market.



“Why would they? Food-safety assurances, precautions, and risk mitigations have never been built around increasing the exposure to known contaminated sources – in this case Canadian live cattle.



“This whole issue has become something of a ‘Beef Gate,’ as we look at the government’s mishandling and deception, as noted by USDA’s Inspector General.



“However, what’s even more interesting is that even Canada continues to maintain a beef-import ban on all other countries that have had a case of BSE.



“R-CALF is asking for nothing different than what Canada has demanded of other BSE-affected countries.”
 

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Public Being Misled on Canadian Border Issue by R-CALF


(Billings, Mont.) – The following statement should be attributed to R-CALF USA President and Founder Leo McDonnell, who also is a Montana rancher and owner of one of the largest seedstock sources in North America:



Finally the truth from LEO. :cowboy:
 

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"increasing the exposure to known contaminated sources – in this case Canadian live cattle."

Note: KNOWN. As in ... Canadians are the only ones we have to blame at the moment, because so far BSE isn't KNOWN in the U.S. :?

As for other 'known' contaminated sources, I guess the mutual history of past importations of British cattle, off shore feed and such don't count. After all, so far BSE isn't KNOWN in the U.S. What you don't KNOW, can't hurt you, right? :???:

Don't forget that when your head is in the sand, your butt is sticking up in the air! :wink: :oops:
 

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“However, what’s even more interesting is that even Canada continues to maintain a beef-import ban on all other countries that have had a case of BSE.



“R-CALF is asking for nothing different than what Canada has demanded of other BSE-affected countries.”


What is the feedback on this statement?
 

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Quote- "“However, what’s even more interesting is that even Canada continues to maintain a beef-import ban on all other countries that have had a case of BSE."

Canada is accepting US beef and live cattle.Japan is not.

How many of those other countries qualify as "minimal risk" as defined by OIE??? (this involves feed ban,risk assessment etc.)
How many of those countries are banned for reasons other than BSE, such as FMD?

I wonder if Mr. McDonnell could or would answer those questions if you asked him. :roll:
 
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R-CALF Quote: “Part of the unofficial translation of that news conference indicates: ‘Japan has been consulting with the government of Canada at working group level meetings. We have been asking both the U.S. and Canada to take equivalent measures to ours, then we will decide if Japan will resume beef imports from Canada or not, regardless of whether the issue between the U.S. and Canada is resolved or not.’

That is a direct contradiction with R-CULT's position that opening the border to Canadian cattle will jeoprodize trade with Japan.

R-CULT HAS CONTRADICTED THEMSELVES ONCE AGAIN!!!

Wow, what a surprise!



~SH~
 

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Ncba comments.

Canada will continue to increase kill and processing capacity, ramping up exports of boxed beef from animals 30-months and younger into the states. So. one way or the other, that Canadian beef will end up in the U.S. and if it comes in as beef only, it could put a strangle hold on U.S. processing margins, and cut packer payrolls. So. ban Canadian boxed beef, right?



That appears to be a legitimate option to R-Calf officials. And if it happens, Canada would play its final "trump card". Canada would go to 100% testing - an effort that would cost Canada a lot less than it would cost the U.S. And if Canada goes to 100% BSE testing, it could actually give Canada (the source of U.S. BSE problem) the inside track to capture market-share in Japan and other key markets.
 

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~SH~ said:
R-CALF Quote: “Part of the unofficial translation of that news conference indicates: ‘Japan has been consulting with the government of Canada at working group level meetings. We have been asking both the U.S. and Canada to take equivalent measures to ours, then we will decide if Japan will resume beef imports from Canada or not, regardless of whether the issue between the U.S. and Canada is resolved or not.’

That is a direct contradiction with R-CULT's position that opening the border to Canadian cattle will jeoprodize trade with Japan.

R-CULT HAS CONTRADICTED THEMSELVES ONCE AGAIN!!!

Wow, what a surprise!



~SH~

Seems to me it is a direct contradiction of all those who said Japan wouldn't reopen to us if we didn't open to Canada. Now let me see....who said that, oh yeah, USDA, AMI, NCBA, SH.......

Imagine that.
 

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Sandhusker said:
~SH~ said:
R-CALF Quote: “Part of the unofficial translation of that news conference indicates: ‘Japan has been consulting with the government of Canada at working group level meetings. We have been asking both the U.S. and Canada to take equivalent measures to ours, then we will decide if Japan will resume beef imports from Canada or not, regardless of whether the issue between the U.S. and Canada is resolved or not.’

That is a direct contradiction with R-CULT's position that opening the border to Canadian cattle will jeoprodize trade with Japan.

R-CULT HAS CONTRADICTED THEMSELVES ONCE AGAIN!!!

Wow, what a surprise!



~SH~

Seems to me it is a direct contradiction of all those who said Japan wouldn't reopen to us if we didn't open to Canada. Now let me see....who said that, oh yeah, USDA, AMI, NCBA, SH.......

Imagine that.


Part of the unofficial translation of that news conference indicates: ‘Japan has been consulting with the government of Canada at working group level meetings. We have been asking both the U.S. and Canada to take equivalent measures to ours, then we will decide if Japan will resume beef imports from Canada or not, regardless of whether the issue between the U.S. and Canada is resolved or not.’

I didn't read anything there about Japan resuming trade with the U.S. just that they asked them to take equivalent measures. then we will decide if Japan will resume beef imports from Canada or not,

Canada is not banning U.S. beef and live cattle. We don't have a beef organization yelling about If we import cattle we will be putting our consumer and feed system in danger either. Maybe what we are telling Japan through our actions is that we trust our feed system and we trust our packing industry.
 
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Sandblaster: "Seems to me it is a direct contradiction of all those who said Japan wouldn't reopen to us if we didn't open to Canada."

R-CALF admitted that they have not even met with any Japanese officials regarding this issue.


Yoshi Tsuchiya's comments contradicted R-CULT's position as did the following article...........


by James Wiesemeyer, Inside Washington Today

James writes............

A Japanese official told me the following:

"R-CALF's actions will actually delay the re-opening of the Japanese
border"


and

"When R-CALF points to the risk of Canadian beef, you are increasing Japanese consumer's anxiety for U.S. beef, because we believe the risk of beef from both countries is similar. And if you point to the risk of Canadian cattle, you are ignoring the function of removing SRMs as the internationally accepted food safety measure and area also increasing Japanese consumer's anxiety for U.S. beef."


Looks to me like R-CULT got caught lying again. Imagine that!



~SH~
 

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R-CALF as Savvy International Negotiators :roll:

"No One Told Us" Reveals a Lot
Colorado Springs, CO March 24, 2005


R-CALF officials are complaining that no one "officially" representing the Japanese government has told them that R-CALF's activities denigrating the safety of Canadian beef is helping delay opening the Japanese market.

The stunning thing about all this is that someone had to tell them at all. Those familiar with international negotiations, especially those involving negotiators as skilled and thorough as the Japanese, have been afraid of this for months. Focused on their supposed interests so narrowly, at least publicly, this never occurred to R-CALF.

Their goal was to keep imports out first, specifically, those imports from Canada. If there was any effect on exports, that would be secondary, according to their professed philosophy. And if there was any consequence for exports, their theory was that the Japanese would be more likely to open up to U.S. beef if there was no Canadian beef in the U.S. supply.

Of course, that isn't the way international negotiating goes with negotiators as wily as the Japanese. They would have used either situation in a negotiating position. They wouldn't have missed any arguments that obvious either way. But R-CALF apparently hadn't thought that far ahead.

The only solid ground for the U.S. government to stand on is the science of the matter - that beef from any animal slaughtered, with the proper SRMs removed, is safe. The under-30-month rule, since BSE is virtually never found in younger animals, is added margin. R-CALF is claiming the science isn't there. But nearly 20 years of science is solid. And findings in hamsters and lab mice have not been transferable to cattle.

R-CALF is pointing out that, unofficially, Japan is claiming that import negotiations with Canada and the U.S. are separate issues. That's virtually certain and, of course, they are going to say that for the record. That doesn't mean the two won't be linked in their minds or that such linkage won't be driving forces in behind-the-scenes moves.


The truth of the matter is that the Japanese had agreed on the basic science of the matter some time ago. They were going through the processes of revising their rules, and the issue was progressing.

The bottom line is that R-CALF opposes beef imports, no matter what the cost. And if it makes the opening of export markets more difficult, they have neither the time, nor the experience, to care or worry about it. That's someone else's problem.

Is this the kind of group cattlemen want careening around the international scene wreaking havoc and then saying, wide-eyed, "Who us? No one told us this could happen."




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The under-30-month rule, since BSE is virtually never found in younger animals, WHAT a QUOTE of LIES,LIES LIES PROTECTING the STATUS QUO,,,,,,,,,The Agribusiness Freedom Foundation promotes free market principles throughout the agricultural food chain. LIE LIE LIES.
 
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How many cattle have been confirmed to test positive for BSE that were under 30 months of age Porker???

HOW MANY????




~SH~
 
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~SH~ said:
How many cattle have been confirmed to test positive for BSE that were under 30 months of age Porker???

HOW MANY????




~SH~

I believe OIE has a list of about 40---each of which if they had parts from made into burger and hot dogs could have been consumed by thousands of individuals.......Anytime you add more higher risk cattle to the food chain you raise the risk to thousands of more consumers......
 

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~SH~ said:
How many cattle have been confirmed to test positive for BSE that were under 30 months of age Porker???
HOW MANY????
~SH~

The worrisome part about UTM's testing positive is that so few have been tested overall. If Japan has found 2 out of about a dozen positives in their small herd, how many would it have really been in Europe (with about 200,000 total positives) had they been tested on a large scale? Usda has only tested about 2500.
 
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OT: "I believe OIE has a list of about 40---each of which if they had parts from made into burger and hot dogs could have been consumed by thousands of individuals.......Anytime you add more higher risk cattle to the food chain you raise the risk to thousands of more consumers......"

Many of which have never been confirmed with a more accurate test.

You "fear monger" advocates are simply trying to find everything you can to justify keeping the Canadian border closed then you'll step out of the way and let NCBA and USDA do your damage control for you when we have another domestic case of BSE.

EITHER SRM REMOVAL, THE FEED BAN, AND INCREASED SURVEILANCE ASSURES SAFETY FOR EVERYONE OR IT ASSURES SAFETY FOR NOBODY.

It's that damn simple!


~SH~
 

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