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R-Calf back in court on Friday

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Neil Waugh

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Does anyone know if the Alberta government will have lawyers in Portland to try to talk the 9th Curcuit out of closing the border again? Or at least starting the process again? If not then why not? Last time out it cost Albertans a billion bucks.
And instead of going to the boys and girls on Highway 22 (and elsewhere) most of it went to Tyson, Cargill and Feed Lot Alley.
 
Dr. Bob Church would know. His family not only owns over 4000 head in Alberta, he is (was) also the man that Alberta listens to regarding cattle policies. At least they used to listen to him.
 
Let the R-CALF guys waste more money, what evidence is there that the border should be closed to UTM cattle? They see nobody is looking so why not throw a sucker punch, they think they might just get lucky. Or have they bought another judge? I would love to see them lose yet again. I will be LOL all night long it they lose yet again. And it will help build the case for OTMs going stateside. I'd like to see r-calf lose there too not because i want acess to the US market just because i want to see them lose a again.
 
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Let the R-CALF guys waste more money, what evidence is there that the border should be closed to UTM cattle? They see nobody is looking so why not throw a sucker punch, they think they might just get lucky. Or have they bought another judge? I would love to see them lose yet again. I will be LOL all night long it they lose yet again. And it will help build the case for OTMs going stateside. I'd like to see r-calf lose there too not because i want acess to the US market just because i want to see them lose a again.
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We had a zero-tolerance policy that supposedly was based on advice from the "exprts" utilizing the latest knowledge of BSE. Why did that policy change when the underlying science didn't?
 
Quit the crap . How many UTM canadian cattle slaughtered in the US have tested positive for BSE - zero. the same number as in canada so what is the risk do they pose. None -So why close the border to the UTM canadian cattle? That is what the injunction is asking for . Don't you realize if you lose this fight it will hurt when you try to get an injunction to stop the border opening up to OTM cattle later this summer. Oh don't worry if the canadian dollar keeps climbing at the current rate your packers won't be able to afford anything but brazillian culls. And canada will be a moot point.
 
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Quit the crap . How many UTM canadian cattle slaughtered in the US have tested positive for BSE - zero. the same number as in canada so what is the risk do they pose. None -So why close the border to the UTM canadian cattle? That is what the injunction is asking for . Don't you realize if you lose this fight it will hurt when you try to get an injunction to stop the border opening up to OTM cattle later this summer. Oh don't worry if the canadian dollar keeps climbing at the current rate your packers won't be able to afford anything but brazillian culls. And canada will be a moot point.
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That 30 month barrier is a number the USDA pulled out of their arse - just like the Mar. 1999 effective date. Cattle under 30 months have been found with BSE. Therefore the risk is not zero. You are also forgetting the little loopholes we have down here.
 
When the zero tolerance policy was written, there just wasn't enough information on the disease to know what was or wasn't safe. It was a newly emerging disease that was not well understood at the time. In the past years, the knowledge base has grown considerably, and much more is known about it. This allows a more reasonable approach to the disease and it's risks.

If the zero tolerance policy is to be resurrected, then is it correct that U.S. beef should be kept out of Canada? :!: I bet not.
 
Kato said:
When the zero tolerance policy was written, there just wasn't enough information on the disease to know what was or wasn't safe. It was a newly emerging disease that was not well understood at the time. In the past years, the knowledge base has grown considerably, and much more is known about it. This allows a more reasonable approach to the disease and it's risks.

If the zero tolerance policy is to be resurrected, then is it correct that U.S. beef should be kept out of Canada? :!: I bet not.
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What do we know now that we didn't then?
 
Well i just came in from cutting hay top have lunch and i see a bold faced lie and have to call you on it Sand H. No UTM cattla in canada have ever tested positive for BSE or BASE, And unless it was just found one the only cattle in the US with BSE or BASE are OTM. So what do you know that we don't. Is the US hiding UTM positives, as it would have been made public if any animal from canada UTM slaughtered in the US. So tell me where and when have UTM cattle tested BSE and/or BASE positive in the US. Because there have never been any UTM positives in Canada? So now what are you guys hiding? So if i read it right you are saying there are more positive BSE and BASE cattle in the US and because the US feed ban has loopholes it is going to keep on spreading in the US. :x
 
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Well i just came in from cutting hay top have lunch and i see a bold faced lie and have to call you on it Sand H. No UTM cattla in canada have ever tested positive for BSE or BASE, And unless it was just found one the only cattle in the US with BSE or BASE are OTM. So what do you know that we don't. Is the US hiding UTM positives, as it would have been made public if any animal from canada UTM slaughtered in the US. So tell me where and when have UTM cattle tested BSE and/or BASE positive in the US. Because there have never been any UTM positives in Canada? So now what are you guys hiding? So if i read it right you are saying there are more positive BSE and BASE cattle in the US and because the US feed ban has loopholes it is going to keep on spreading in the US. :x
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Did I say they were found in Canada or the US? I didn't lie.
 
SandH - So UTM positives found in other parts of the world? And there is malaria in Honduras. What does that have to do with UTM's being found in the US and Canada? The way you worded the respones it seemed like you were saying there are UTM cattle running around with BSE in North america. The truth is the risk from UMT cattle from Canada is zero. We have done everything asked to eliminate BSE and therefore the request to stop UTM canadian cattle into the US is unreasonable. The attempt to get the latest injuntion is not only fultile but feable.
 
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SandH - So UTM positives found in other parts of the world? And there is malaria in Honduras. What does that have to do with UTM's being found in the US and Canada? The way you worded the respones it seemed like you were saying there are UTM cattle running around with BSE in North america. The truth is the risk from UMT cattle from Canada is zero. We have done everything asked to eliminate BSE and therefore the request to stop UTM canadian cattle into the US is unreasonable. The attempt to get the latest injuntion is not only fultile but feable.
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What is different about Canada's BSE that under 30 month cases can be found in other parts of the world, but Canada's risk is zero?
 
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SandH - So UTM positives found in other parts of the world? And there is malaria in Honduras. What does that have to do with UTM's being found in the US and Canada? The way you worded the respones it seemed like you were saying there are UTM cattle running around with BSE in North america. The truth is the risk from UMT cattle from Canada is zero. We have done everything asked to eliminate BSE and therefore the request to stop UTM canadian cattle into the US is unreasonable. The attempt to get the latest injuntion is not only fultile but feable.
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What is different about Canada's BSE that under 30 month cases can be found in other parts of the world, but Canada's risk is zero?
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..........or the US for that matter?

:roll: Tell us Sadhusker what's so different about the US's BSE that they find two in a short period of time and then shhhhhhhh......... silence...

IT"S A MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESSES AMERICA AND ONLY AMERICA !!!!! NO MORE BSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No other country on this panet has as large of a cowherd with such huge feed infractions as the US has still occuring and only 3 cases reported.
 
Sandhusker said:
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SandH - So UTM positives found in other parts of the world? And there is malaria in Honduras. What does that have to do with UTM's being found in the US and Canada? The way you worded the respones it seemed like you were saying there are UTM cattle running around with BSE in North america. The truth is the risk from UMT cattle from Canada is zero. We have done everything asked to eliminate BSE and therefore the request to stop UTM canadian cattle into the US is unreasonable. The attempt to get the latest injuntion is not only fultile but feable.
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What is different about Canada's BSE that under 30 month cases can be found in other parts of the world, but Canada's risk is zero?
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Hey there sandy, lil buddy, :kid: . I guess you could ask the same question about the U.S. herd, eh? But you better not because the answer would be pretty scary since Terry figured out that there might have been 2600 or more "Product of USA" mad cows get put into the human food chain since it was introduced into the American herd via British imports. Thank goodness we only "know" of one that got eaten for certain!:lol2:

Is it really true that you work at a bank? How good does janitorial work pay down there? Oooops, my bad - maybe where you live, integrity is not a prerequisite for a managerial position . . .



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Bill, "..........or the US for that matter?"

I never said the US was any different. Why don't you guys just read what I write?

" :roll: Tell us Sadhusker what's so different about the US's BSE that they find two in a short period of time and then shhhhhhhh......... silence"

When have I ever bragged on our testing? Ask the USDA that question, they're in charge of that. However, I find it odd that you consider their evaluation of the US's BSE situation questionable yet you accept their take on Canada. How can they be so wrong on one country (their own) and so right on another? :shock:
 
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Well i just came in from cutting hay top have lunch and i see a bold faced lie and have to call you on it Sand H. No UTM cattla in canada have ever tested positive for BSE or BASE, And unless it was just found one the only cattle in the US with BSE or BASE are OTM. So what do you know that we don't. Is the US hiding UTM positives, as it would have been made public if any animal from canada UTM slaughtered in the US. So tell me where and when have UTM cattle tested BSE and/or BASE positive in the US. Because there have never been any UTM positives in Canada? So now what are you guys hiding? So if I read it right you are saying there are more positive BSE and BASE cattle in the US and because the US feed ban has loopholes it is going to keep on spreading in the US.
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The problem is that the number of animals tested is not representative of a safe margin wherein we calculate only on those small odds of the national herd being safe. Testing only 30K or 40K out of a national herd that numbers in the millions is stupid to begin with. The potential for disaster is enormous.
 

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