R-CALF, Don't miss this Opportunity..

[TimH]

R-Calf members, Van Dykes and others continue to accuse the USDA and others of a coverup re: the "CDN" cattle.
OK here's your big chance people. Prove it.Nail USDA and Rule 2 to the wall. Get R-calf's crack legal team on it and file a suit against USDA/Swift. Supeona the records. Make them show what they have.
While they are doing that, prove that those cattle passed through the SD salebarn, using brands ,paper trail or whatever method is normally used to track cattle movements in SD.I'm sure that Herman Schumacher would be happy to help you out again.
If those "diseased" CDN cattle went through the salebarn, they obviously "co-mingled" with a bunch of American cattle. They should be rounded up and tested and or destroyed, shouldn't they??

What's the hold up??? Git'er done!!!

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

R-Calf members, Van Dykes and others continue to accuse the USDA and others of a coverup re: the "CDN" cattle.
OK here's your big chance people. Prove it.Nail USDA and Rule 2 to the wall. Get R-calf's crack legal team on it and file a suit against USDA/Swift. Supeona the records. Make them show what they have.
While they are doing that, prove that those cattle passed through the SD salebarn, using brands ,paper trail or whatever method is normally used to track cattle movements in SD.I'm sure that Herman Schumacher would be happy to help you out again.
If those "diseased" CDN cattle went through the salebarn, they obviously "co-mingled" with a bunch of American cattle. They should be rounded up and tested and or destroyed, shouldn't they??

What's the hold up??? Git'er done!!!

Excuse me Tim but "Crack Legal Team"?

 

[Sandhusker]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

 

[TimH]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

Not if it is true. Go ahead and prove it false. What's the holdup???

 

[Sandhusker]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

Not if it is true. Go ahead and prove it false. What's the holdup???

Do you think the USDA and Swift would answer all questions honestly?

 

[Econ101]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

Not if it is true. Go ahead and prove it false. What's the holdup???

If it is true, the question remains why should Swift not have a penalty to pay for not paying until 57 days and after a big stink was raised.

Seems like some of you producers on the North side of the border would be interested in producers instead of just packers (some notable exceptions). I am reminded of the defense some of you put up for the payments to the packers when bse hit Canada.

Makes you wonder if some of you aren't really packers instead of ranchers. Either that or you have your heads screwed on backwards.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

Not if it is true. Go ahead and prove it false. What's the holdup???

Do you think the USDA and Swift would answer all questions honestly?

You don't need to ask them . Trace the cattle from the Vandykes backwards. A LMA salebarn should be willing to help.

 

[TimH]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

Not if it is true. Go ahead and prove it false. What's the holdup???

Do you think the USDA and Swift would answer all questions honestly?

They would either be able to produce the documentation to prove their story or they wouldn't. If any lies were told I'm sure that R-calf's lawyers could expose them under cross-examination.
Furthermore, if Van Dykes claims could be proven accurate it would destroy the USDA's story. Exposing a massive coverup involving Swift,USDA and CCIA would surely riase R-calf's profile.
What's the holdup??

 

[Sandhusker]

So the USDA, Swift and CCIA will just open up and provide any document anybody wants?

 

[TimH]

So the USDA, Swift and CCIA will just open up and provide any document anybody wants?

If a suit was filed and the documents were supoenaed(sp) , they would be required to provide them, correct??
What's the holdup?

 

[mwj]

I thought that the r-calf lawyers were on a first name bases with a judge or that was the impresion I got when someone was explaining a case that they had going. Maybe they lost that case and don't want to talk to any more judges :wink: Of course that was awhile back and everyone has forgot by now.

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

R-Calf members, Van Dykes and others continue to accuse the USDA and others of a coverup re: the "CDN" cattle.
OK here's your big chance people. Prove it.Nail USDA and Rule 2 to the wall. Get R-calf's crack legal team on it and file a suit against USDA/Swift. Supeona the records. Make them show what they have.
While they are doing that, prove that those cattle passed through the SD salebarn, using brands ,paper trail or whatever method is normally used to track cattle movements in SD.I'm sure that Herman Schumacher would be happy to help you out again.
If those "diseased" CDN cattle went through the salebarn, they obviously "co-mingled" with a bunch of American cattle. They should be rounded up and tested and or destroyed, shouldn't they??

What's the hold up??? Git'er done!!!

Excuse me Tim but "Crack Legal Team"?

BMr, I think he was referring to their pastime rather than their expertise.

Snort, snort!

 

[Kato]

No Canadians here are condoning Swift's screw up. :shock: It is unacceptable behaviour. Someone at Swift's is probably is afraid of losing his job, and won't fess up. Why it took so long to pay up is anyone's guess.

Maybe someone from Swift's would like to follow Mr. Van Dyke's lead and volunteer to sit in the hot seat for a while. :wink:

I still say this is probably a case of double tagged cattle whose extra tags were not handled correctly.

Our issue is with the claim that these cattle went through a sale barn, when obviously they did not. :!:

 

[Anonymous]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

AMEN-- If USDA can't track and doesn't have a system to track these old cattle going everywhere in the country any better than they can track these animals coming across in sealed trucks to designated sites, then their proposed Rule 2 becomes a joke-- and I think that is what we have seen every Ag/cattle group ( NCBA, R-CALF, NFU ) say.....

We could be sitting for weeks with the markets dropping on a Canadian origin positive BSE test, like we did in Washington, before USDA can figure out its a Canadian origin animal...How long did it take- and how many billion $ did our cattle market drop before old Vennaman could figure out a cow with a Canadian tag came from Canada :???:

 

[Tam]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

AMEN-- If USDA can't track and doesn't have a system to track these old cattle going everywhere in the country any better than they can track these animals coming across in sealed trucks to designated sites, then their proposed Rule 2 becomes a joke-- and I think that is what we have seen every Ag/cattle group ( NCBA, R-CALF, NFU ) say.....

We could be sitting for weeks with the markets dropping on a Canadian origin positive BSE test, like we did in Washington, before USDA can figure out its a Canadian origin animal...How long did it take- and how many billion $ did our cattle market drop before old Vennaman could figure out a cow with a Canadian tag came from Canada :???:

More damn fear mongering Oldtimer :roll: :roll: If the older cattle are allowed into the US they will have your demanded for hot brand on them and a CCIA tag. If one of them show up positive it will take the USDA a hell of alot less time to track a Canadian animal than it will to track another US cow with no markings like the Alabama cow. :wink: Stop and think about what you type PLEEEAAASSSEEEE. :roll: :roll:

 

[Sandhusker]

So the USDA, Swift and CCIA will just open up and provide any document anybody wants?

If a suit was filed and the documents were supoenaed(sp) , they would be required to provide them, correct??
What's the holdup?

The problem is that Van Dyke's cattle weren't branded, and, silly them, they didn't take individual pictures of the cattle they sent to Swift, so they can't prove anything. Instead, they have to fight for the money owed them and have the USDA them that they were dreaming when they recognize certain tags that come from that bunch - then then there a few of you here who seem to take a perverted delight in a producer getting run over by the USDA and a multi-national packer!

 

[TimH]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

AMEN-- If USDA can't track and doesn't have a system to track these old cattle going everywhere in the country any better than they can track these animals coming across in sealed trucks to designated sites, then their proposed Rule 2 becomes a joke-- and I think that is what we have seen every Ag/cattle group ( NCBA, R-CALF, NFU ) say.....

We could be sitting for weeks with the markets dropping on a Canadian origin positive BSE test, like we did in Washington, before USDA can figure out its a Canadian origin animal...How long did it take- and how many billion $ did our cattle market drop before old Vennaman could figure out a cow with a Canadian tag came from Canada :???:

Whatever you need to tell yourself, Festus. :roll:

None of that changes the fact that some are accusing the USDA of being involved in losing track of CDN cattle and covering it up.
Prove it. You'll become folk heros. New members and dollars will flood into R-Calf. Rule 2 will be dead in the water.
Prove it,or admit that it is all bull$hit whining and coffee shop speculation.
After all,the "AL" in R-Calf's acronym stands for "ACTION LEGAL".
Let's see some legal action on this then boys.
What's the hold up? Don't you have a case???

 

[Bill]

Right now, the USDA story does more damage to rule 2...

AMEN-- If USDA can't track and doesn't have a system to track these old cattle going everywhere in the country any better than they can track these animals coming across in sealed trucks to designated sites, then their proposed Rule 2 becomes a joke-- and I think that is what we have seen every Ag/cattle group ( NCBA, R-CALF, NFU ) say.....

We could be sitting for weeks with the markets dropping on a Canadian origin positive BSE test, like we did in Washington, before USDA can figure out its a Canadian origin animal...How long did it take- and how many billion $ did our cattle market drop before old Vennaman could figure out a cow with a Canadian tag came from Canada :???:

AMEN

Halleluija and pass that collection plate huh Oldtimer? You have really become one of the Bulleeeevers haven't you?

Are you suggesting even for a second that the US wouldn't have had their export markets shut down if the Washington cow hadn't been found? That you could have just rolled merrily along singing God Bless America? Give us a break as no one up here buys your BS and it seems less and less of your own countrymen do either.

Here's a little news flash you can pass on to your e-mail list and the folks in Billings. You got caught hiding one native positve and it was followed by a second that embarrassed the nation with your pathetic traceback system. If that isn't enough to cause the world to mistrust you and cost billions of $ I don't know what is.

That Sir you did all on your own so good luck trying to blame losing billions of dollars on Canada.

 

[Econ101]

This discussion has been more of a Canadian vs. U.S. argument on this board instead of being about a producer not getting his money when he delivered his cattle.

How can any of you Canadians who push the North American Herd idea ever think it will be accepted when it seems you are more back stabbers to other producers because you feel threatened instead of recognizing the above fact?

 

[HAY MAKER]

R-Calf members, Van Dykes and others continue to accuse the USDA and others of a coverup re: the "CDN" cattle.
OK here's your big chance people. Prove it.Nail USDA and Rule 2 to the wall. Get R-calf's crack legal team on it and file a suit against USDA/Swift. Supeona the records. Make them show what they have.
While they are doing that, prove that those cattle passed through the SD salebarn, using brands ,paper trail or whatever method is normally used to track cattle movements in SD.I'm sure that Herman Schumacher would be happy to help you out again.
If those "diseased" CDN cattle went through the salebarn, they obviously "co-mingled" with a bunch of American cattle. They should be rounded up and tested and or destroyed, shouldn't they??

What's the hold up??? Git'er done!!!

What would be the gain ? Rule 2 is DOA,canucks made sure of that.............good luck