R-CALF on BSE

[Bill]

Just as we all thought econ, the US has stopped feeding chicken litter except.............

The point of my earlier post was that R-Calf is now using the line of we're the same except.....well.....er.....oh yea......Canada has had positives born post-feed ban (1997). The US will also and it may well be due to feeding chicken litter. Once again they are too short sighted to even realize that but given their history one should not be surprised.

 

[Sandhusker]

BMR-


YOu hit the nail on the head when you brought those facts out. How stupid can you R-calfers be to actually believe the BS in this news release? I think this is only going to help open the border to OTM Canadian Cattle.

OT I think you would have been smarter to have not posted this news release from R-laugh.

I agree completely with the news release. I think the words "non native" were used to illustrate the fact that BSE is here as a result of imports.

 

[rkaiser]

I agree completely with the news release. I think the words "non native" were used to illustrate the fact that BSE is here as a result of imports.

Dream on Sandhusker.... I'll ask you the same question that I asked Tam. Where was the first case of BSE imported to the UK from ----- MARS?

 

[Mike]

I agree completely with the news release. I think the words "non native" were used to illustrate the fact that BSE is here as a result of imports.

Dream on Sandhusker.... I'll ask you the same question that I asked Tam. Where was the first case of BSE imported to the UK from ----- MARS?

The belief of popular science is that scrapie has been around for hundreds of years and jumped species to bovines with the advance of MBM feeding. The numbers of sheep and cattle in the UK might lend itself to that conclusion.

Where sheep got scrapie is explained away in the "Sporadic" argument. There's lots to be learned yet. Sure wish they would hurry.

 

[fedup2]

Randy, you write:[ "Where was the first case of BSE imported to the UK from ----- MARS?"]

Just trying to follow your thinking here. Why did the first case have to be imported from anywhere? Didn't it originate there? I'm not catching your point here. (maybe I'm kinda slow this morning!)

 

[rkaiser]

Well fedup - If you have read anything that I post, you will see that I don't believe the feed transmission theory at all. Except that we may have been transmitting metals. I think that your American and our Canadian BSE cases are individual situations brought on by exposure to metals and a number of factors that fell into play afterward.

In other words, BSE will be found NATIVE to any country that makes a sincere effort to test.

 

[Sandhusker]

I agree completely with the news release. I think the words "non native" were used to illustrate the fact that BSE is here as a result of imports.

Dream on Sandhusker.... I'll ask you the same question that I asked Tam. Where was the first case of BSE imported to the UK from ----- MARS?

The evidence points to it coming into existance in the UK. Probably a better bet than Mars. :wink:

 

[Sandhusker]

Well fedup - If you have read anything that I post, you will see that I don't believe the feed transmission theory at all. Except that we may have been transmitting metals. I think that your American and our Canadian BSE cases are individual situations brought on by exposure to metals and a number of factors that fell into play afterward.

In other words, BSE will be found NATIVE to any country that makes a sincere effort to test.

Actually, Kaiser, you may be partly correct. I don't think there can be any doubt that BSE is spread thru feeding. However, your ideas may come in on the creation part. I'm certainly not going to dismiss metals or other man-made contaminants. It may also be a natural occurance that was never spread until feeding bone meal became a practice.

 

[rkaiser]

With your admission R2, would you consider that the minute number of BSE cases discovered in North America could ALL be, what you call, spontaneous. Personally I don't even like the word spontaneous as it implies a voluntary or natural cause. I think that the misfolded prion is caused by external forces.

Anywhoo R2, what about it? Could these few cases not be connected to feed transmission? Impossible to prove that they were, even though everyone wants to believe it.

Not arguing here. You know I support testing, and support stopping the feeding of animal protein to herbivores. Other reason than yours, but still support.

 

[rkaiser]

Fine R2, so how do you determine the number that says "Feed Transmission - Not Spontaneous" No data there is there?

That's the problem with all of this TSE stuff isn't it. No proof. And even limited research except for the testing research which has opportunity for monetary gain.


Are 10 cases the limit for spontanaiety or is it 99?

 

[rkaiser]

No comment on your husbands case R2. But who says I believe Prusiner?I am simply suggesting that 1 in a million could just as well be 100 in a million. You and I can prove nothing.

My arguement is still in favor of a metal contamination, but I am simply trying to converse on the topic of something OTHER than feed transmission of Misfolded Prions.

I think that there could be a lot more than 1 in a million if you consider metal contamination on the spontaneous or natural side of the equation.

 

[Econ101]

reader, if your husband got it from surgery and it spread to all over his brain, there has to be a reproductive effect in the body doesn't there? The causative agent, whether a piece of rna, dna, has to replicate in the body. If it is a rouge metal, the metal has to be a catalyst. Seems to me this could be scientifically determined which one if they really wanted to find out. Either way, the transmission route could be the same and treated as such. I don't think I would want to be a vet digging in cow brains.

Another question, of the numbers bse tested, how many are from vets that are independent of the USDA? Is the way they found this animal standard procedure in surveillance?