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Alberta hotspot for mad cow disease, says R-CALF

Aug 24, 2006, 13:26


- The Canadian Food Inspection Agency confirmed the detection of the country's eighth case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), or mad cow disease in an Alberta beef cow. This is Canada's fifth mad cow case this year and overall eighth since 2003.

The Alberta cow is between eight to ten years old and was probably exposed to the prion disease just before or shortly after Canada banned the feeding of cattle protein to cattle and other ruminants in 1997, the CFIA said. It stressed that no part of the cow had entered either human or animal food chains.

The confirmation of the new mad cow case "demonstrates the national surveillance program's effectiveness in detecting periodic BSE cases as it works to eliminate the disease entirely within the next decade," the food inspection agency said.

The CFIA said in a statement that available information gleaned from the dead cow's owner put the age of the animal between eight to ten years. This means that it could have contracted the mad cow disease before or just after the feed ban was imposed.

"Based on this range, exposure to the BSE agent likely occurred either before the feed ban's introduction or during its early implementation," it said.

The agency added that it was investigating the cow's birth farm, to determine its exact age and also how it came to be exposed to mad cow-causing prions. "As has been done previously, the CFIA will conduct a complete epidemiological review of this case, the results of which will be made public," the agency added.

The Canadian Cattlemen's Association stressed that beef products in the country were safe and assured other countries that there was no fear of contaminated beef exports. "We probably have the most aggressive, safest beef supply of any country in the world," said Brad Wildeman, vice-president of the Canadian Cattlemen's Association.

"We just need to keep hammering that home to our international trading partners that when it comes to a safe, quality product, that we've got that to offer them."

The U.S. Department of Agriculture said that it would not restrict Canadian beef imports following the detection of the new mad cow case. USDA Secretary Mike Johanns said that Canada has started an epidemiological investigation to identify the animal's herd of origin.

"With the information currently available we do not anticipate a change in the status of beef imports from Canada. While our risk assessment anticipated multiple cases of BSE, we are confident that the interlocking safeguards in place in both Canada and the U.S. are providing effective consumer protection," he added.

However U.S. rancher lobby group R-CALF said the new case confirmed their worst fears. "R-CALF has been saying all along that it appears the prevalence of BSE in Canada is a lot higher than anybody anticipated," said R-CALF USA President and Region V Director Chuck Kiker. "This raises a tremendous amount of concern, especially in light of the fact that it does not appear Canada's meat and bone meal ban, or feed ban, was effective."

R-CALF USA feels that Alberta is the hot spot for mad cow disease. In May the organization had sent letters to Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns and Congress urging them to take steps to see that Canada's BSE does not enter US.

In the letter R-CALF had asked USDA and Congress to
* Rescind its Minimal Risk Region Rule that presently allows the importation of cattle and beef from cattle under 30 months of age from Canada until a comprehensive analysis is completed on Canada's latest detection of a 4 year, 2 month old cow with BSE;

* End its practice of granting access to the U.S. market before the United States fully regains all of its lost export markets; and,

* Ensure that beef produced exclusively from U.S. cattle be clearly labeled with a Country-of-Origin Label (COOL) for consumers, both domestic and abroad.

However the American Meat Institute said that the detection of the new mad cow case proved that Canada's surveillance program was working very well. "We hope and expect that this case will not adversely affect USDA's rulemaking efforts to restore all beef trade with Canada. We reiterate our confidence that BSE is being eliminated in North America," said AMI President and CEO J. Patrick Boyle.

Canadian cattle industry suffered huge losses when the first case of mad cow disease was detected in Alberta in May 2003. The consequent ban on beef and dairy exports to the United States caused an estimated $7 billion in losses to the Canadian industry.

The exports resumed in the fall of 2003, but the damage had already been done. However initial reactions to this fresh development indicate that the trade should remain unaffected this time around.

In July Canada said it would tighten the 1997 rules that prohibit feeding ground-up cattle parts back to cattle. Animal scientists believe that BSE is caused when cattle eat feed with bone meal containing ruminant offal contaminated with BSE.

These rules will start in July 2007 and prohibit the use of cattle tissue suspected of causing BSE from all animal feed, pet food and fertilizer.

The rules were changed after a six-year-old dairy cow was found to be infected on a farm in the Fraser Valley in British Columbia. In the US two cows in Texas and Alabama tested positive for mad cow disease over the past year. Scientists speculate that the cows may have been infected with a rare strain of the disease, although no confirmation has been forthcoming.

BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) is a progressive neurological disorder of cattle that is caused by an agent called as prion. It is not properly understood how this prion transmits itself among cattle. The disease is characterized disorientation in the affected animals, clumsiness and aggressive behavior towards humans and other animals. BSE is usually a fatal disease

In the United States, BSE has been identified in one case in December 2003, while another case had delivered conflicting results before it was confirmed as BSE by the Veterinary Laboratories Agency in Weybridge, England.

In humans BSE takes the form of a variant CJD (Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease). This disease is characterized by psychiatric/behavioral symptoms; painful dyesthesiasis and delayed neurological signs. Infection usually occurs after consuming contaminated beef of diary products.

The fact that the new mad cow case has no bearing on the food chain is reassuring. However as many organizations have repeatedly said, the frequency of detection of mad cow cases in Canada is worrisome.
 
R-CALF bitching again - well, Deja Moo. (I've heard that bull before!)

If the USDA wasn't so completely dominated by multinationals and their giant feed-lot friends, they would not be controlled by the Three Monkeys (Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil) then testing would occur on more animals.

We have access to a urine test and can do live on-farm PrPsc prion-free validation and soon will be but both USDA and CFIA say the test is not good enough because it hasn't been validated by them. They won't validate it because it shows prion presence prior to symptoms. That means young cattle, too. No-one wants to know.

The fun part is that when we test, if we get a positive, we must report it - in both countries. Even though the test is not recognized by them. Someone should turn on the power to the fence these guys are straddling.

As to Alberta being a hot spot - it's likely to have more than any other Canadian province due to cattle population. Why we have more than the US? Simple honesty.
 
jdst said:
R-CALF bitching again - well, Deja Moo. (I've heard that bull before!)

If the USDA wasn't so completely dominated by multinationals and their giant feed-lot friends, they would not be controlled by the Three Monkeys (Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil) then testing would occur on more animals.

We have access to a urine test and can do live on-farm PrPsc prion-free validation and soon will be but both USDA and CFIA say the test is not good enough because it hasn't been validated by them. They won't validate it because it shows prion presence prior to symptoms. That means young cattle, too. No-one wants to know.

The fun part is that when we test, if we get a positive, we must report it - in both countries. Even though the test is not recognized by them. Someone should turn on the power to the fence these guys are straddling.

As to Alberta being a hot spot - it's likely to have more than any other Canadian province due to cattle population. Why we have more than the US? Simple honesty.

Simple honesty>>>>>>>>>>Non compliance with the feed ban................good luck
 
Quote (from the article)-

"Infection usually occurs after consuming contaminated beef of diary products. "

"....beef of diary products."...??????? :???:

What the hell is that????

If R-calf is going to put lies on their website, they should at least spell them right.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
TimH said:
Quote (from the article)-

"Infection usually occurs after consuming contaminated beef of diary products. "

"....beef of diary products."...??????? :???:

What the hell is that????

If R-calf is going to put lies on their website, they should at least spell them right.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Im sure you got the message,tiny tim :D :D :D ..............good luck
 
haymaker: Simple honesty>>>>>>>>>>Non compliance with the feed ban................good luck

simple honesty - american version. no feed ban - no testing - no bse. the only time r-calf likes usda is when they lie about bse.
 
don said:
haymaker: Simple honesty>>>>>>>>>>Non compliance with the feed ban................good luck

simple honesty - american version. no feed ban - no testing - no bse. the only time r-calf likes usda is when they lie about bse.

No don,R CALF likes the USDA when they bring honest factual information to the table,which is not very often..................good luck
 
don said:
haymaker: Simple honesty>>>>>>>>>>Non compliance with the feed ban................good luck

simple honesty - american version. no feed ban - no testing - no bse. the only time r-calf likes usda is when they lie about bse.

It seems to me the only time Canadians have any faith in the USDA is when they say it's OK to take your cattle and beef.
 
Sandhusker said:
don said:
haymaker: Simple honesty>>>>>>>>>>Non compliance with the feed ban................good luck

simple honesty - american version. no feed ban - no testing - no bse. the only time r-calf likes usda is when they lie about bse.

It seems to me the only time Canadians have any faith in the USDA is when they say it's OK to take your cattle and beef.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :clap: :clap: Yep that US gravy train buys them a lot of credibility....
 
HAY MAKER said:
TimH said:
Quote (from the article)-

"Infection usually occurs after consuming contaminated beef of diary products. "

"....beef of diary products."...??????? :???:

What the hell is that????

If R-calf is going to put lies on their website, they should at least spell them right.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Im sure you got the message,tiny tim :D :D :D ..............good luck

Really, Little Joey??? And which message is that ,exactly??? The message that R-Calf tends to spew out articles that have no basis in fact??
A real cattleman's organization, committed to increasing beef demand, would not have proudly posted this crap on their website.
Who is "Kathy Jones" and "foodconsumer.org", anyway??? Hmmmmmmm?? :???:

Oh, ya....... and if you or anyone else have any scientific evidence that PROVES that vCJD is caused by eating beef or consuming dairy products, or even diary products, I'd love to see it. :D :D :D

"Infection usually occurs after eating contaminated beef...."""-(R-calf USA)

Way to go R-Calf. Way to instill consumer confidence. :D :D :D

LONG LIVE R-CALF !!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
TimH said:
HAY MAKER said:
TimH said:
Quote (from the article)-



"....beef of diary products."...??????? :???:

What the hell is that????

If R-calf is going to put lies on their website, they should at least spell them right.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Im sure you got the message,tiny tim :D :D :D ..............good luck

Really, Little Joey??? And which message is that ,exactly??? The message that R-Calf tends to spew out articles that have no basis in fact??
A real cattleman's organization, committed to increasing beef demand, would not have proudly posted this crap on their website.
Who is "Kathy Jones" and "foodconsumer.org", anyway??? Hmmmmmmm?? :???:

Oh, ya....... and if you or anyone else have any scientific evidence that PROVES that vCJD is caused by eating beef or consuming dairy products, or even diary products, I'd love to see it. :D :D :D

"Infection usually occurs after eating contaminated beef...."""-(R-calf USA)

Way to go R-Calf. Way to instill consumer confidence. :D :D :D

LONG LIVE R-CALF !!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

No the message of straight talk,partnering with the consumer/customer to create a safe product for all,not like some,BS everyone for short term gain,I have never saw R CALF make a statement that was meant to decieve anyone,just plain ole honest straight talk,that's the reason we support them,"straight talk"............good luck
 
I for one, brilliant writer that I am, would still not fault anyone for what is obviously a typo. Particularly when the real meaning is clear - so they meant 'beef or dairy' not 'beef of diary'.

R-CALF has most of their info correct - by which I mean they agree with me! I would question their choice of responses, though. Canadians and Canadian producers are not their enemies, nor their opponents nor even their competition.

Your foes, if that is the correct word for people who want to keep you two steps from bankruptcy and working like a dog to provide them with superior product at cut-rate prices, are the giants. The guys who influence the USDA through 'industry groups'; Congress through massive cash support; and the courts through exhaustive and endless litigation.

These are the guys who take their profits in Luxembourg (tax rate 1%) and yet live in the security of North America and Europe where working people pay the taxes that keep them safe. These are the guys who bulls*** everyone on the cost of COOL because they don't want consumers to know their hot dogs contain content raised in filth by slaves. They are the ones who tell you you must 'compete' for food markets in a starving world. They are the ones who insist extensive and expensive regulation keeps food safe, yet they are the ones continually cited for cheating. (Of the 12 feed products on the US watch list, there are only 8 companies represented and only three of those are small Canadian concerns. The others are multinationals, and include ADM, Maple Leaf, Louis Dreyfus, Purina and AGP.)

R-CALF is moving to close the wrong border. But that's understandable as a majority of the 'industry' information and government babble available favours those who would keep out Canada's 14 million head herd in favour of Brazil's 164 million and Argentina's 146 million. That's because Canadian producers want a living wage, too, and Canada has stricter worker health and food safety laws than the U.S. The South Americans do not.

R-CALF should add a bit of depth to their research to find out why farm-gate prices are low and food prices are high. Then focus on the real problem.
 
jdst said:
I for one, brilliant writer that I am, would still not fault anyone for what is obviously a typo. Particularly when the real meaning is clear - so they meant 'beef or dairy' not 'beef of diary'.

R-CALF has most of their info correct - by which I mean they agree with me! I would question their choice of responses, though. Canadians and Canadian producers are not their enemies, nor their opponents nor even their competition.

Your foes, if that is the correct word for people who want to keep you two steps from bankruptcy and working like a dog to provide them with superior product at cut-rate prices, are the giants. The guys who influence the USDA through 'industry groups'; Congress through massive cash support; and the courts through exhaustive and endless litigation.

These are the guys who take their profits in Luxembourg (tax rate 1%) and yet live in the security of North America and Europe where working people pay the taxes that keep them safe. These are the guys who bulls*** everyone on the cost of COOL because they don't want consumers to know their hot dogs contain content raised in filth by slaves. They are the ones who tell you you must 'compete' for food markets in a starving world. They are the ones who insist extensive and expensive regulation keeps food safe, yet they are the ones continually cited for cheating. (Of the 12 feed products on the US watch list, there are only 8 companies represented and only three of those are small Canadian concerns. The others are multinationals, and include ADM, Maple Leaf, Louis Dreyfus, Purina and AGP.)

R-CALF is moving to close the wrong border. But that's understandable as a majority of the 'industry' information and government babble available favours those who would keep out Canada's 14 million head herd in favour of Brazil's 164 million and Argentina's 146 million. That's because Canadian producers want a living wage, too, and Canada has stricter worker health and food safety laws than the U.S. The South Americans do not.

R-CALF should add a bit of depth to their research to find out why farm-gate prices are low and food prices are high. Then focus on the real problem.

Well said "jdst" I might add Canadians need to figure out how to partner with their neighbors to the south,it's a well known fact canadian captive supplies put downward pressure on the cash market.
I would venture to guess most canadian ranchers never even heard or cared about captive supplies before the border dispute,what's the odds they care now ?.....................good luck
PS welcome to the boards.
 
Thanks for the welcome, Hay Maker.

With three major buyers within 2,000 miles, one of which owns 80% of the auction facilities, and all of which own or control 6-figure herds, we have a bit of an idea on captive supply.

This is another way large corporations operating in multiple jurisdictions screw the rest of us. Taking advantage of differing regulatory environments, doing things you or I would not be permitted to do in our home countries, they are able to force the prices they pay downward.

While agriculture is the topic here on the board, the oil industry is where the screwing around is most obvious. It costs about $25 CDN per barrel to produce oil from the Canadian tar sands, and significantly less for the regular oil from Alberta's many thousand working wells. Yet the refineries in Edmonton pay the $70 "world price". The producer companies seem to 'lose' what would otherwise be enormous (and taxable) profits in other ventures somewhere around the world. Profits that only appear in annual reports to justify 6-figure per day bonuses to parting princes.

I mention this because we are subjected to the same thing in Agriculture. I, as a consumer living in the city, must pay $2.50 for a loaf of bread made from ingredients for which the farmer gets less than a dime. And they are always telling us the farmer is inefficient!!

The way to determine if a business is efficient or not, in a free and open market, is by how it grows. If acquisition is the primary means of growth, the business is NOT efficient, it is monopolistic. (This is not the same as farmer A buying farmer B's land when B retires. To be growth by acquisition, Farmer A would have to buy farmer B's working farm and B would have to continue farming, but as an employee.)
 
jdst, I agree with a whole lot of what you said. One thing that I'd like to point out is that R-CALF's leadership and 99% of our membership realizes that Canadian producers are not our foes. Leo said exactly that in a speech and press release. Too many have taken R-CALF's actions against the big business interests who use Canadian producers against us and the USDA who facilitates those interests as an attack on those same Canadians. They're wearing blinders and can't see the big picture.

R-CALF is working on the "real problems" facing US producers. We're trying to get the loopholes on our feed ban closed. We're all for private BSE testing so that people who want BSE tested US beef can buy it. R-CALF is stumping to keep our standards the highest in the world and are resisting the continual efforts by the USDA to bring our standards down to facilitate the world-wide arbitrage that is being passed off as "trade".

Probably our single largest effort is getting COOL established. We know we're not going to keep out foreign beef, but COOL partnered with a checkoff that promotes only US beef gives us a valuable tool to compete with the foreign product.

I fully support R-CALF's efforts to close the Canadian border. Not because it's Canada as some choose to believe, but because opening it sets a troublesome precident no matter what the country in question is. When BSE first surfaced as something that needed to be addressed, the USDA supposedly consulted experts in the field to formulate a contingency plan. Among other things, a zero-tolerance policy via a closed border to BSE positive countries was set. That policy was followed 21 consecutive times. Only when Canada became BSE positive and the big packers were set to take a loss because of this policy did the USDA suddenly need to revise policy. I think that reversing policy on a health issue for the economic benefit of a few big boys is the dangerous precident that must be fought tooth and nail - the country involved doesn't matter. US producers have nothing to gain and everything to loose from actions such as that.
 
HAY MAKER said:
jdst said:
I for one, brilliant writer that I am, would still not fault anyone for what is obviously a typo. Particularly when the real meaning is clear - so they meant 'beef or dairy' not 'beef of diary'.

R-CALF has most of their info correct - by which I mean they agree with me! I would question their choice of responses, though. Canadians and Canadian producers are not their enemies, nor their opponents nor even their competition.

Your foes, if that is the correct word for people who want to keep you two steps from bankruptcy and working like a dog to provide them with superior product at cut-rate prices, are the giants. The guys who influence the USDA through 'industry groups'; Congress through massive cash support; and the courts through exhaustive and endless litigation.

These are the guys who take their profits in Luxembourg (tax rate 1%) and yet live in the security of North America and Europe where working people pay the taxes that keep them safe. These are the guys who bulls*** everyone on the cost of COOL because they don't want consumers to know their hot dogs contain content raised in filth by slaves. They are the ones who tell you you must 'compete' for food markets in a starving world. They are the ones who insist extensive and expensive regulation keeps food safe, yet they are the ones continually cited for cheating. (Of the 12 feed products on the US watch list, there are only 8 companies represented and only three of those are small Canadian concerns. The others are multinationals, and include ADM, Maple Leaf, Louis Dreyfus, Purina and AGP.)

R-CALF is moving to close the wrong border. But that's understandable as a majority of the 'industry' information and government babble available favours those who would keep out Canada's 14 million head herd in favour of Brazil's 164 million and Argentina's 146 million. That's because Canadian producers want a living wage, too, and Canada has stricter worker health and food safety laws than the U.S. The South Americans do not.

R-CALF should add a bit of depth to their research to find out why farm-gate prices are low and food prices are high. Then focus on the real problem.

Well said "jdst" I might add Canadians need to figure out how to partner with their neighbors to the south,it's a well known fact canadian captive supplies put downward pressure on the cash market.
I would venture to guess most canadian ranchers never even heard or cared about captive supplies before the border dispute,what's the odds they care now ?.....................good luck
PS welcome to the boards.
For once I agree with Haymaker, that was very well said jdst!

jdst wrote:
R-CALF is moving to close the wrong border. But that's understandable as a majority of the 'industry' information and government babble available favours those who would keep out Canada's 14 million head herd in favour of Brazil's 164 million and Argentina's 146 million. That's because Canadian producers want a living wage, too, and Canada has stricter worker health and food safety laws than the U.S. The South Americans do not.

R-CALF should add a bit of depth to their research to find out why farm-gate prices are low and food prices are high. Then focus on the real problem.
Then and only then can one believe the comments from some of the R-Klanners here that it is not personal against Canada or Canadian producers and they wish to work together to fix the problems!
 
Bill, one of the problems we both can work on is captive supply. R-CALF is working on that - we're lobbying our lawmakers to make changes in the laws to deal with that. What are you doing? I don't hear much up there. If you want to work together on "real problems", we've already started.
 
Sandhusker said:
Bill, one of the problems we both can work on is captive supply. R-CALF is working on that - we're lobbying our lawmakers to make changes in the laws to deal with that. What are you doing? I don't hear much up there. If you want to work together on "real problems", we've already started.

Bill aint gonna work on anything that would create positive results,he is to busy calling people names,he did the same thing with his last alias "GF" till he wore it out,now he is back as Bill,same ole "MO" tho, sarcastic remarks and name calling :roll: .............good luck
 
Sandhusker said:
jdst, I agree with a whole lot of what you said. One thing that I'd like to point out is that R-CALF's leadership and 99% of our membership realizes that Canadian producers are not our foes. Leo said exactly that in a speech and press release. Too many have taken R-CALF's actions against the big business interests who use Canadian producers against us and the USDA who facilitates those interests as an attack on those same Canadians. They're wearing blinders and can't see the big picture.

R-CALF is working on the "real problems" facing US producers. We're trying to get the loopholes on our feed ban closed. We're all for private BSE testing so that people who want BSE tested US beef can buy it. R-CALF is stumping to keep our standards the highest in the world and are resisting the continual efforts by the USDA to bring our standards down to facilitate the world-wide arbitrage that is being passed off as "trade".

Probably our single largest effort is getting COOL established. We know we're not going to keep out foreign beef, but COOL partnered with a checkoff that promotes only US beef gives us a valuable tool to compete with the foreign product.

I fully support R-CALF's efforts to close the Canadian border. Not because it's Canada as some choose to believe, but because opening it sets a troublesome precident no matter what the country in question is. When BSE first surfaced as something that needed to be addressed, the USDA supposedly consulted experts in the field to formulate a contingency plan. Among other things, a zero-tolerance policy via a closed border to BSE positive countries was set. That policy was followed 21 consecutive times. Only when Canada became BSE positive and the big packers were set to take a loss because of this policy did the USDA suddenly need to revise policy. I think that reversing policy on a health issue for the economic benefit of a few big boys is the dangerous precident that must be fought tooth and nail - the country involved doesn't matter. US producers have nothing to gain and everything to loose from actions such as that.
Sorry but LEO the Ly'in has said alot of things to contradict what you try to get everyone else to believe Sandhusker.

We are still waiting for the R-Klan press release denouncing the reduction in testing proposed by USDA.

Doesn't imported beef also pay into the check-off?

USDA made the changes on BSE policy on the advice of the OIE and with the realization that BSE was and is at the same risk level as in Canada although I don't understand why they had to get caught hiding it.
 

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