R-CALF USA Members Wins Injunction Against USDA’s BSE Rules

[mrj]

Sandhusker, how many times, in how many ways must I tell you I woon't answer your question which has many flaws. Any order is fine, but your intent is to discredit my points re. BSE; the question is a moot point since theoretically NO beef infected with BSE can get into the food chain as SRM removal removes possibly infectious materials before symptoms would appear and symptomtic animals are automatically excluded from the food chain; and just possibly most important: it makes you angry!

Question has a good point on your obsession when pointing out the word "caution".........government and business often go to extremes of caution to assure consumer confidence in a product, IMO.

After all, there doubtless are many 'downer' cattle that are perfectly safe to eat.......but there is the squamishness factor to consider with "an abundance of caution" that pays off with consumers.

ranch hand, while freely admitting not having read EVERYTHING published about BSE, nothing I've seen uses much stronger words than "may be caused by..." or similar phrases regarding a connection between BSE and human illnesses.

mrj

 

[Sandhusker]

I guess you don't have health insurance afterall you are not sick. :roll: Yeah we are going over board but i would rather do too much than not enough. That is one way we plan to get rid of BSE by being too careful. But hey by all means lobby on behalf of the packers so your nations childern can eat all the downers and deadstock all the while going untested for bse or any other disease. Maybe they will never get sick but there is a reason the animal is down it is NOT healthy. As for myself i would never want to eat meat from a downer animal or deadstock but by all means bon apetite.

I see.... so Canada is going overboard and it's fine to be too careful. I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem when you condemn others for doing the same thing. Would you accept your reasoning from somebody who wanted to shut the border? I'd say you're being very hypocritical.

You wouldn't answer the obvious; SRM removal does NOT assure safety of the beef. If it did, there would be no reason that positives could not be entered into the food chain after SRM removal. The government's policy shows that they don't believe what they say, either. But yet, you and MRJ will support a policy that is based on that fallacy and condemn those that attack it. I don't understand that.

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandhusker, how many times, in how many ways must I tell you I woon't answer your question which has many flaws. Any order is fine, but your intent is to discredit my points re. BSE; the question is a moot point since theoretically NO beef infected with BSE can get into the food chain as SRM removal removes possibly infectious materials before symptoms would appear and symptomtic animals are automatically excluded from the food chain; and just possibly most important: it makes you angry!
mrj

Flaws my butt. What makes me angry is that you won't answer a simple question because you know dang well that you would have to answer "no" if you were being honest and then you continue to support a policy that could wreck the entire industry via our customers unknowingly having to to do what you will not. That is hypocritical and foolish - all because of your undying loyalty to NCBA.

 

[QUESTION]

And now you want to compare apples and watermelons yet again. :roll: If you never had a positive your point would be valid, and I would have no problem with a closed border. But that is not the reality. You want the border closed because the USDA is failing in implementing the same policies as Canada. Rather than wasting time complaining how your system isn't working and thus the border must be closed, maybe fix the exsisting problems. Adopt the same policy as Canada have a real feedban(so BSE can't spread) increase testing to match Canada's %, look for bse where it most probably is(OTM & high risk cattle), ban the transport and processing of downer and sick animals, adopt a national animal ID system, make it a law that all OTM cattle coming in from a foreign country that has bse must be tested and have the importer pay the USDA for the cost of testing. Is this so hard??? Funny how you want safety but don't want to do anything to secure it other than saying a border closure will do that. As for the border closing how is that going to stop the spread within the US already, or do you want to manage BSE like all other disease in acchordace with USDA rules and not worry about eliminating it. Sorry to tell you but that won't work if you truely want to regain foreign markets. There have been indeginouse cases found in the US and what is more troubling is what a fight it was to confirm them. You do know USDA vets. retiring and quitting because the samples they submitted from animals showing clinical signs of BSE are being lost or let degrade to the point where they are untestable. Maybe it is time to face reality. If you want the border closed it can be done but only if your requirements are more stringent than those in Canada. For example make testing manditory 100% no exceptions, if your customers are truely concerned they will pay for piece of mind. It is hard to say close the border because we are getting BSE from canada when you have not found a positive since the border reopened. All that would have to happen is find 1 animal positive and the border could be slammed shut and you would not hear a word about it from me.

 

[Sandhusker]

Geeeeeeeeeeeze. Do you realize that much of what you have proposed has already been called for by R-CALF - the group that you hate?

Tell you what, you come down here, establish citizenship, start paying taxes - and then you can have a say on how the US handles things.

 

[Kato]

Geeeeeeeeeeeze. Do you realize that much of what you have proposed has already been called for by R-CALF - the group that you hate?

Yes, and we also realize that if they weren't such tunnel visionaries about Canadian live cattle that they would find they had allies in their efforts to correct the real problems facing cattle producers on both sides of the border.

Tell you what, you come down here, establish citizenship, start paying taxes - and then you can have a say on how the US handles things.

Why? Lack of Canadian citizenship, or any other citizenship for that matter has never stopped the US from having a say in how any country in the world handles things. The fact is that if the actions of one country affect another, they will have an opinion, and since last time I checked we both lived in democracies, we all have a right to express that opinion. All of us, on both sides of the border.

I won't suggest you take out Canadian citizenship though. You wouldn't like living with the taxes that go with it. :wink:

 

[ranch hand]

What does indeginouse mean. I guess I don't speak Canadian. Kind of like the rest of the post, blabber, :roll: blabber, :roll: blabber.

 

[gcreekrch]

What does indeginouse mean. I guess I don't speak Canadian. Kind of like the rest of the post, blabber, :roll: blabber, :roll: blabber.

Understanding English words like that is the difference between " ranch owner" and "ranch hand" :wink:

 

[gcreekrch]

Geeeeeeeeeeeze. Do you realize that much of what you have proposed has already been called for by R-CALF - the group that you hate?

Yes, and we also realize that if they weren't such tunnel visionaries about Canadian live cattle that they would find they had allies in their efforts to correct the real problems facing cattle producers on both sides of the border.

Tell you what, you come down here, establish citizenship, start paying taxes - and then you can have a say on how the US handles things.

Why? Lack of Canadian citizenship, or any other citizenship for that matter has never stopped the US from having a say in how any country in the world handles things. The fact is that if the actions of one country affect another, they will have an opinion, and since last time I checked we both lived in democracies, we all have a right to express that opinion. All of us, on both sides of the border.

I won't suggest you take out Canadian citizenship though. You wouldn't like living with the taxes that go with it. :wink:

:agree:

 

[ranch hand]

What does indeginouse mean. I guess I don't speak Canadian. Kind of like the rest of the post, blabber, :roll: blabber, :roll: blabber.

Understanding English words like that is the difference between " ranch owner" and "ranch hand" :wink:

Then please tell me what it means, I would like to move up/

 

[gcreekrch]

What does indeginouse mean. I guess I don't speak Canadian. Kind of like the rest of the post, blabber, :roll: blabber, :roll: blabber.

Understanding English words like that is the difference between " ranch owner" and "ranch hand" :wink:

Then please tell me what it means, I would like to move up/

in-dig-e-nous --- originating in the region or country where found :
native

If you had bothered you would have found it in the dictionary like I did to get the correct meaning for you. :wink:

 

[mrj]

gcreeckrch, do you suppose it is possible ranch hand was using a combination of sarcasm and making the point that misspellings or typo's can make it appear the WRITER does not know what he/she is writing about?

Most of us have made such errors on occasion.

Time to eat supper as someone has entered the house.

mrj

 

[gcreekrch]

gcreeckrch, do you suppose it is possible ranch hand was using a combination of sarcasm and making the point that misspellings or typo's can make it appear the WRITER does not know what he/she is writing about?

Most of us have made such errors on occasion.

Time to eat supper as someone has entered the house.

mrj

Very possible, the author did use it in the right place though.
It is frustrating to me to see neighbors squabble over the minute details rather than work together to solve the problem at hand. It is my opinion that BSE is a disease that has created a lot of jobs for lawyers, scientists, and burocrats and the problem could be solved ( rightly or wrongly ) by giving the world consumer what they want: BSE Tested Beef. I would rather have the added value of tested beef in MY pocket than waste it on the negotiations and arguments that our respective countries seem so hell-bent on pursuing.

 

[QUESTION]

I just post, i don't do spell checks i just type. and sometimes the spelling isn't perfect, do you need me to to use smaller words RH?
So typical for sandh - Canada imports way more beef than it exports to the US. Thus Canada is currently one of the largest export markets for US beef. You say the customer should get what he/she wants. But then you say that same customer should have no say. Which is it? As for moving down to the US i just could not give up the awesome hunting, fishing and way of life up here.
R-CALF should maybe see something thru and actually do something that makes a difference, instead of going for headlines. priorities need to be set.
As for 100% testing for BSE let's make it happen, what ever it takes to get past this bse problem, as i have said time and time again. Maybe we should get it in the adgenda for the next metting of the americas.

 

[RobertMac]

...the point that misspellings or typo's can make it appear the WRITER does not know what he/she is writing about?

Ya reckon!!!! :shock: :roll: :shock: :roll: :shock: :roll: :lol2:

 

[Sandhusker]

I just post, i don't do spell checks i just type. and sometimes the spelling isn't perfect, do you need me to to use smaller words RH?
So typical for sandh - Canada imports way more beef than it exports to the US. Thus Canada is currently one of the largest export markets for US beef. You say the customer should get what he/she wants. But then you say that same customer should have no say. Which is it? As for moving down to the US i just could not give up the awesome hunting, fishing and way of life up here.
R-CALF should maybe see something thru and actually do something that makes a difference, instead of going for headlines. priorities need to be set.
As for 100% testing for BSE let's make it happen, what ever it takes to get past this bse problem, as i have said time and time again. Maybe we should get it in the adgenda for the next metting of the americas.

Q, I don't know where you pull your "facts" from, but you don't know what you're talking about on so many levels.

 

[ranch hand]

I just post, i don't do spell checks i just type. and sometimes the spelling isn't perfect, do you need me to to use smaller words RH?

Yes, PLEASE! Then you might have a chance to spell them right.

 

[QUESTION]

Sandh H what facts are you are talking about? The fact that Canada exports beef less to the US than it imports from the US? Or the fact that Canada is the number 2 importer of US beef in the world only behind mexico? If you want to check it out go to the US beef export federation, USDA, stats Canada or agrifood canda. Check it out. Then come back :roll:
Rh so funny the only thing you can come back with is a spelling mistake :lol2:

 

[ranch hand]

Sandh H what facts are you are talking about? The fact that Canada exports beef less to the US than it imports from the US? Or the fact that Canada is the number 2 importer of US beef in the world only behind mexico? If you want to check it out go to the US beef export federation, USDA, stats Canada or agrifood canda. Check it out. Then come back :roll:
Rh so funny the only thing you can come back with is a spelling mistake :lol2:

Give us some numbers on that ? While you are at it add the cattle imports and exports between the two of us. I can come back with more than spelling, just seems funny that you went to college and flunked English.

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandh H what facts are you are talking about? The fact that Canada exports beef less to the US than it imports from the US? Or the fact that Canada is the number 2 importer of US beef in the world only behind mexico? If you want to check it out go to the US beef export federation, USDA, stats Canada or agrifood canda. Check it out. Then come back :roll:
Rh so funny the only thing you can come back with is a spelling mistake :lol2:

From Cattlenetwork;
Canada was the second largest source of U.S. beef imports, accounting for about 25 percent of the year to date total. The U.S. and Canada bilaterally trade fed beef mostly as a matter of transportation costs and efficiency in marketing. Most of the fed cattle production in Canada is in the western Provinces and most of the population is in the eastern Provinces. Beef from the U.S. Midwest is much closer to Canadian population centers in the east while Canadian beef production in the Prairie Provinces is closer to U.S. West Coast markets. In total, the U.S. is, however, a net importer of beef from Canada, importing, in volume terms, roughly 2.5 times the quantity exported to Canada.

Give yourself one of those faces.