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R-CALF USA Members Wins Injunction Against USDA’s BSE Rules

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USA Cattle Imports Jan - April 2007 Jan - April 2008 Percent Change

Canada 478,397 657,386 37.41%
Mexico 370,736 245,076 -33.89%
Total 849,133 902,462 6.28%


USA Cattle Exports Jan - April 2007 Jan - April 2008 Percent change

Canada 10,438 14,547 39.37%
Mexico 9 36,683 407488 .89%
 
In total, the U.S. is, however, a net importer of beef from Canada, importing, in volume terms, roughly 2.5 times the quantity exported to Canada.

United States population - 301,139,947 (July 2007 est)
Canadian population - 31,612,897 (2006 census)

I'm assuming the numbers posted were pounds of beef, not cattle. That would mean that with a population difference of 10 to one, that would work out to a per capita beef export/import market of:

America imports -
6.3 pounds of Canadian beef per person.
Canada imports -
33.01 pounds of American beef per person.
Note: in 2006 Canadians ate on average 48 pounds of beef per capita. :shock: And 33 of that came from YOU!

And we get called whiners???? :shock: :shock: :shock: Good grief. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
We were just showing Q that he didn't know what he was talking about even though most people already knew that.

So how bout that SRM removed BSE beef? You going to feed it to your family?
 
Note: in 2006 Canadians ate on average 48 pounds of beef per capita. And 33 of that came from YOU!


OF course, Canadians know who raised the best beef. :lol:
 
Sandhusker said:
We were just showing Q that he didn't know what he was talking about even though most people already knew that.

I'd actually say that Q did know what he was talking about. Per capita imports are far more important than overall numbers.

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
We were just showing Q that he didn't know what he was talking about even though most people already knew that.

I'd actually say that Q did know what he was talking about. Per capita imports are far more important than overall numbers.

Rod

Q, "The fact that Canada exports beef less to the US than it imports from the US"

I don't see any reference to per capita.
 
Sandhusker said:
I don't see any reference to per capita.

RCalf, the NFU, and whoever is in opposition in government are about the only entities that I'm aware of that actually uses overall numbers, versus per capita numbers when describing trade deficits.

Overall numbers are completely worthless when describing trade between two countries. I think if you take a long, hard look at things and actually look at the numbers, you'll see that Canada imports far more US goods than the US does Canadian.

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
I don't see any reference to per capita.

RCalf, the NFU, and whoever is in opposition in government are about the only entities that I'm aware of that actually uses overall numbers, versus per capita numbers when describing trade deficits.

Overall numbers are completely worthless when describing trade between two countries. I think if you take a long, hard look at things and actually look at the numbers, you'll see that Canada imports far more US goods than the US does Canadian.

Rod

Bull
 
WHITEHAWK said:
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
I don't see any reference to per capita.

RCalf, the NFU, and whoever is in opposition in government are about the only entities that I'm aware of that actually uses overall numbers, versus per capita numbers when describing trade deficits.

Overall numbers are completely worthless when describing trade between two countries. I think if you take a long, hard look at things and actually look at the numbers, you'll see that Canada imports far more US goods than the US does Canadian.

Rod

Bull
Follow the link and you can see exactly how much each state exports to Canada and how many $'s are exchanged
http://geo.international.gc.ca/can-am/washington/state_trade_2007/default-en.asp
 
Sandhusker said:
You see trade measured in either tons or dollars.

Okay here is Nebraska



Nebraska's
Exports to Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Machinery ($213)
Transportation ($147)
Agriculture ($138)
Energy ($137)
Equipment ($84)
Chemicals ($72)
Personal & Household Goods ($67)
Metals ($42)
Textiles ($11)
Other ($41)

Nebraska's
Imports from Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Agriculture ($339)
Forest Products ($116)
Chemicals ($82)
Transportation ($78)
Metals ($70)
Machinery ($56)
Equipment ($55)
Personal & Household Goods ($30)
Telecommunications ($3)
Other ($36)

Nebraska's
Leading Exports to Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Combine reaper-threshers ($82)
Meat ($49)
Motor vehicle parts, except engines ($47)
Inorganic chemicals ($29)
Motor vehicle engine parts ($27)
Safety & sanitation equipment ($23)
Medical & related equipment ($22)
Medicine, in dosage ($21)
Newspapers, magazines & periodicals ($16)
Electric generators & motors ($15)

Nebraska's
Leading Imports from Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Live animals ($215)
Newsprint ($40)
Meat ($39)
Softwood lumber ($39)
Trucks ($23)
Basic plastic shapes & forms ($22)
Synthetic rubber & plastics ($20)
Containers ($15)
Oils, fats, waxes, extracts, derivatives ($15)
Motor vehicle parts, except engines ($15)

Canada–U.S. trade supported 7.1 million U.S. jobs
Total Canada–U.S. merchandise trade: $489 billion
49,750 Nebraska jobs are supported by Canada–U.S. trade
Canada is Nebraska's largest foreign export market
Canadians made more than 50,600 visits to Nebraska, spending $16 million
Nebraska residents made more than 44,800 visits to Canada, spending $32 million
A close relationship…
Canada is Nebraska's most important trading partner, receiving 28% of the state's foreign-bound goods. In 2006, the state exported $951 million in merchandise to its northern NAFTA partner and imported $864 million. In fact, the state's trade surplus grew by $4 million from the previous year.

Mechanics of trade
Nebraska's most profitable sector is machinery. Farm, construction and industrial sales climbed to $213 million, an increase of 32% from the previous year. Leading commodities include combine reaper-threshers ($82 million), electric generators and motors ($15 million), and construction and maintenance machinery ($14 million). By contrast, the Cornhusker State imported electric generators and motors, mining machinery and materials handling machines and equipment ($5 million each) from its northern neighbor.

Driving the economy
Motor vehicle production illustrates the close relationship shared by the partners. Nebraska and Canada supply each other with $89 million in auto parts annually. The state sent $13 million in finished automobiles north-bound and bought $23 million in Canadian-made trucks in 2006. The "just in time" inventories benefit motor vehicle manufacturers and add jobs on both sides of the border.

It's all about meat
Agriculture is a driving force in the Nebraska–Canada relationship. The state imports $339 million in foods—$215 million in live animals—and returns $138 million in sales across the border. The state's large meat packing industry processes the live animals and returns a portion—$49 million—to Canada. The partners exchange a variety of foods including cereals, sugars and vegetables.

The heart of the homeland
The famed Lewis and Clark Trail and midwest culture attracted Canadians to Nebraska. Canadians made 50,600 visits last year, spending $16 million. Nebraskans made 44,800 visits across the 49th Parallel and spent $32 million in 2006.


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Canada–Nebraska Success Stories
McCain Foods Limited, the world's largest producer of French fries, had a humble beginning out of a small factory in Florenceville, New Brunswick. In 1957, the Canadian plant boasted only 30 employees, and produced 1,500 pounds of product an hour. Today McCain operates 55 plants, employs over 20,000 people globally, can produce over 1,000,000 pounds of French fries each hour and enjoys annual revenue in excess of $5.6 billion.

August 2007

Tourism
Nebraska visits by Canadians: 50,600
$ spent: $16 million
Nebraska visits to Canada: 44,800
$ spent: $32 million

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jobs
Nebraska jobs supported by Canada–U.S. trade: 49,750

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Merchandise Trade
Exports to Canada: $951 million
Imports from Canada: $864 million
Bilateral trade: $1.8 billion
Largest export market: Canada

For more information on Canada's trade with Nebraska, please contact:

Consulate General of Canada
701 Fourth Avenue South, Suite 900
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Phone: (612) 333-4641 • Fax: (612) 332-4061
www.minneapolis.gc.ca

Merchandise trade and tourism figures are from Statistics Canada, converted at the rate of US$1.00=C$1.1341. Merchandise trade is customs-based for the year 2006. Job numbers are based on 2005 data from a 2006 study commissioned by the Canadian Embassy. Canada's export ranking is from the World Institute for Strategic Economic Research (WISER). All figures are in U.S. dollars. Figures may not add up due to rounding.

Read previous state trade figures for Nebraska:
2006 •2005 •2004 •2003 •2002






 
WHITEHAWK said:
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
I don't see any reference to per capita.

RCalf, the NFU, and whoever is in opposition in government are about the only entities that I'm aware of that actually uses overall numbers, versus per capita numbers when describing trade deficits.

Overall numbers are completely worthless when describing trade between two countries. I think if you take a long, hard look at things and actually look at the numbers, you'll see that Canada imports far more US goods than the US does Canadian.

Rod

Bull

Whitehawk, its obvious you know very little about trade between our two countries. Follow Yanucks' links and check the per capita basis trades. Then make your comments.

Rod
 
Yanuck said:
Sandhusker said:
You see trade measured in either tons or dollars.

Okay here is Nebraska



Nebraska's
Exports to Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Machinery ($213)
Transportation ($147)
Agriculture ($138)
Energy ($137)
Equipment ($84)
Chemicals ($72)
Personal & Household Goods ($67)
Metals ($42)
Textiles ($11)
Other ($41)

Nebraska's
Imports from Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Agriculture ($339)
Forest Products ($116)
Chemicals ($82)
Transportation ($78)
Metals ($70)
Machinery ($56)
Equipment ($55)
Personal & Household Goods ($30)
Telecommunications ($3)
Other ($36)

Nebraska's
Leading Exports to Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Combine reaper-threshers ($82)
Meat ($49)
Motor vehicle parts, except engines ($47)
Inorganic chemicals ($29)
Motor vehicle engine parts ($27)
Safety & sanitation equipment ($23)
Medical & related equipment ($22)
Medicine, in dosage ($21)
Newspapers, magazines & periodicals ($16)
Electric generators & motors ($15)

Nebraska's
Leading Imports from Canada
2006, in millions of U.S. dollars

Live animals ($215)
Newsprint ($40)
Meat ($39)
Softwood lumber ($39)
Trucks ($23)
Basic plastic shapes & forms ($22)
Synthetic rubber & plastics ($20)
Containers ($15)
Oils, fats, waxes, extracts, derivatives ($15)
Motor vehicle parts, except engines ($15)

Canada–U.S. trade supported 7.1 million U.S. jobs
Total Canada–U.S. merchandise trade: $489 billion
49,750 Nebraska jobs are supported by Canada–U.S. trade
Canada is Nebraska's largest foreign export market
Canadians made more than 50,600 visits to Nebraska, spending $16 million
Nebraska residents made more than 44,800 visits to Canada, spending $32 million
A close relationship…
Canada is Nebraska's most important trading partner, receiving 28% of the state's foreign-bound goods. In 2006, the state exported $951 million in merchandise to its northern NAFTA partner and imported $864 million. In fact, the state's trade surplus grew by $4 million from the previous year.

Mechanics of trade
Nebraska's most profitable sector is machinery. Farm, construction and industrial sales climbed to $213 million, an increase of 32% from the previous year. Leading commodities include combine reaper-threshers ($82 million), electric generators and motors ($15 million), and construction and maintenance machinery ($14 million). By contrast, the Cornhusker State imported electric generators and motors, mining machinery and materials handling machines and equipment ($5 million each) from its northern neighbor.

Driving the economy
Motor vehicle production illustrates the close relationship shared by the partners. Nebraska and Canada supply each other with $89 million in auto parts annually. The state sent $13 million in finished automobiles north-bound and bought $23 million in Canadian-made trucks in 2006. The "just in time" inventories benefit motor vehicle manufacturers and add jobs on both sides of the border.

It's all about meat
Agriculture is a driving force in the Nebraska–Canada relationship. The state imports $339 million in foods—$215 million in live animals—and returns $138 million in sales across the border. The state's large meat packing industry processes the live animals and returns a portion—$49 million—to Canada. The partners exchange a variety of foods including cereals, sugars and vegetables.

The heart of the homeland
The famed Lewis and Clark Trail and midwest culture attracted Canadians to Nebraska. Canadians made 50,600 visits last year, spending $16 million. Nebraskans made 44,800 visits across the 49th Parallel and spent $32 million in 2006.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Canada–Nebraska Success Stories
McCain Foods Limited, the world's largest producer of French fries, had a humble beginning out of a small factory in Florenceville, New Brunswick. In 1957, the Canadian plant boasted only 30 employees, and produced 1,500 pounds of product an hour. Today McCain operates 55 plants, employs over 20,000 people globally, can produce over 1,000,000 pounds of French fries each hour and enjoys annual revenue in excess of $5.6 billion.

August 2007

Tourism
Nebraska visits by Canadians: 50,600
$ spent: $16 million
Nebraska visits to Canada: 44,800
$ spent: $32 million

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jobs
Nebraska jobs supported by Canada–U.S. trade: 49,750

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Merchandise Trade
Exports to Canada: $951 million
Imports from Canada: $864 million
Bilateral trade: $1.8 billion
Largest export market: Canada

For more information on Canada's trade with Nebraska, please contact:

Consulate General of Canada
701 Fourth Avenue South, Suite 900
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Phone: (612) 333-4641 • Fax: (612) 332-4061
www.minneapolis.gc.ca

Merchandise trade and tourism figures are from Statistics Canada, converted at the rate of US$1.00=C$1.1341. Merchandise trade is customs-based for the year 2006. Job numbers are based on 2005 data from a 2006 study commissioned by the Canadian Embassy. Canada's export ranking is from the World Institute for Strategic Economic Research (WISER). All figures are in U.S. dollars. Figures may not add up due to rounding.

Read previous state trade figures for Nebraska:
2006 •2005 •2004 •2003 •2002

Just as I said, "All figures are in U.S. dollars".
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
WHITEHAWK said:
DiamondSCattleCo said:
RCalf, the NFU, and whoever is in opposition in government are about the only entities that I'm aware of that actually uses overall numbers, versus per capita numbers when describing trade deficits.

Overall numbers are completely worthless when describing trade between two countries. I think if you take a long, hard look at things and actually look at the numbers, you'll see that Canada imports far more US goods than the US does Canadian.

Rod

Bull

Whitehawk, its obvious you know very little about trade between our two countries. Follow Yanucks' links and check the per capita basis trades. Then make your comments.

Rod

I know enough about trade to know you are full of malarky,this per capita,crap is no better than its source.
Its all about numbers and pounds.
 
WHITEHAWK said:
DiamondSCattleCo said:
WHITEHAWK said:

Whitehawk, its obvious you know very little about trade between our two countries. Follow Yanucks' links and check the per capita basis trades. Then make your comments.

Rod

I know enough about trade to know you are full of malarky,this per capita,crap is no better than its source.
Its all about numbers and pounds.

Sounds like the Canucks got caught with their pants down- and now they are trying to deflect it off into some other direction-rather than face the issue--- cheap old lawyers trick :wink: ...
 
Here's some more info for you Canada haters who think that Canada does nothing for the US:

http://geo.international.gc.ca/can-am/washington/trade_and_investment/trade_partnership-en.asp

You'll notice that Canada imports more US goods than ALL of the EU combined, despite being a MUCH smaller population.

This is probably the best, since Canada haters probably don't want to actually look at Canadian numbers:

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html#2007

That link has many years worth of trade, including first quarter of 2008.

Using the 2007 population numbers of 33,390,141 for Canada, and 301,139,947 for the US. Every man, woman and child in the US bought $1052.85 US in Canadian goods. However, every man, woman, and child in Canada bought $7453.94 worth of AMERICAN goods.

That is a MASSIVE trade deficit, and its not a deficit on the US side. Its shear lunacy to suggest that a country 1/10th the size of the US should actually have equal trade dollars and not be calculated on the basis of per capita. There is not an economist alive who would do that (well, unless he/she works for RCalf or the NFU).

I strongly suggest, Whitehawk (and you too OT), that you get some business and economics training before you even remotely try to do any further economic analysis or call BULL on any of my posts. NAFTA/CAFTA has been wildly successful, for both the US and Canada. At least between our two countries. I won't comment on adding Mexico to the act, since it doesn't affect my country all that much.

For example, in 1993, the year before the NAFTA agreement was ratified between the US and Canada, Canadians spent approximately $3500 each on American goods. Americans spent $431 each on Canadian goods. As you can see, the deficit is about the same (ratio-wise). This ratio has tended up and down, mostly based on the ratio of the Canadian/US dollar. All NAFTA did was redirect spending of Canadian and American dollars from overseas spending to Can-Am spending. US and Canadian dollars spent on Japanese and EU goods dropped substantially following NAFTA/CAFTA.

So for you Canada haters and those who swear that we do nothing but steal your jobs and put your producers out of business, y'all can just blow it out your respective asses. Learn to read and actually check your facts before you bother posting.

As an aside, here's a good link to the NAFTA documents:
http://wehner.tamu.edu/mgmt.www/NAFTA/fta/
 
Sandhusker said:
How did we get from debunking Q's lip flapping to calling out Canadian haters?

Because I grow weary of this horseshit from the likes of Whitehawk and OT, two guys who know very little about actual economic analysis and would rather see the Can-Am market fully in the pocket of the multi-national packers than to actually WORK TOGETHER and break the meat cartel. But no, they'd rather count on their coffee-row numbers, whine and snivel about things of no importance, and attempt to deceive and incite other weak minded individuals into believing the same things. I swear they're just like the old SH was. No facts, no substance, just rhetoric.

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
How did we get from debunking Q's lip flapping to calling out Canadian haters?

Because I grow weary of this horseshit from the likes of Whitehawk and OT, two guys who know very little about actual economic analysis and would rather see the Can-Am market fully in the pocket of the multi-national packers than to actually WORK TOGETHER and break the meat cartel. But no, they'd rather count on their coffee-row numbers, whine and snivel about things of no importance, and attempt to deceive and incite other weak minded individuals into believing the same things. I swear they're just like the old SH was. No facts, no substance, just rhetoric.

Rod

Hate to tell you this, Rod, but the Can-AM market IS in the pockets of the multi-nationals.
 

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