R-CALF USA Members Wins Injunction Against USDA’s BSE Rules

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Hate to tell you this, Rod, but the Can-AM market IS in the pockets of the multi-nationals.

Its not 100% there yet, Sandhusker. We can still save it by forward thinking and spending our time fighting our respective governments rather than each other. Get them to curb imports from countries who have pocket dictatorships and standards of living lower than a rat. Get them to allow our smaller private companies the freedom to do as they need to to survive. Get them to stop allowing consolidations. Get them to stop allowing local companies to sell out to those pocket dictatorship countries. There are many, many countries in the world in which free trade with Canada or the US makes absolutely no sense, however Can-Am free trade has always and will always make sense. We have the raw resources and technical ability to extend those resources, you have the industrial might and knowledge to use those resources.

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

While I think we're already under their control, I don't think all is lost and I'm positive that we can reverse it. It won't be easy, but anything can be done.

I've been thinking about this lately (aided by Knob Creek and Makers Mark), and the way I see it, US and Canadian producers are in the same boat under the same bunch of hoods out to line their pockets with our skins, all with the complicity of our respective governments who are lining their pockets with "donations". The problem for both of us is the relationship between the USDA and the AMI. I'm also come to the bourbon-aided conclusion that the chink in the armour is Canada.

The USDA and the packers are tighter than two coats of paint, but I don't think the CFIA is quite as corrupted as the USDA. If you guys can get your government to back a producer owned packing plant, get in BSE testing, and start selling Canadian beef that is not owned by US packers to Korea, Japan, etc.... I think the ball will start rolling because some producers that have had their heads up their asses down here will see that it pays to take control and serve the markets and we'll get a groundswell of voices that will get Congress to slap up USDA. IF we get a few things going our way, we can build on the momentum and when we have the USDA back doing what they are supposed to be doing, we're free and you're free. But, I think you've got a better shot at them than we do - I think you've got a shorter wall to scale.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

A few weeks ago I may have agreed with you, but this buy-out of Tyson beef by Nillsons has me wondering. If the sale is allowed to go through, we're much closer to complete vertical integration of the beef market up here. When that happens, its all over. Look at the chicken and pork markets. Vertical integration killed those industries.

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

A few weeks ago I may have agreed with you, but this buy-out of Tyson beef by Nillsons has me wondering. If the sale is allowed to go through, we're much closer to complete vertical integration of the beef market up here. When that happens, its all over. Look at the chicken and pork markets. Vertical integration killed those industries.

Rod

I'll agree, that's a big one. What are the chances of it being blocked? One would think it would be a no-brainer that it wouldn't have a chance, but if your equivalent to our trust dept. is like ours, you wonder why they even exist.

We're fighting the JBS deal as hard as we can down here. It's not the same scope to us as Nillson is to you, but it's still a very big deal and a precident setting deal. We are getting some state's attorneys and influential congressmen with us, but you can't bet a nickel on Washington in the end.

 

[Anonymous]

As long as we keep electing the sameo, sameo bunch of politicians to go back to Washington- where they slop at the Lobbyists troughs for years- with folks keeping on re-electing them until they die in office (or quit and become a Lobbyist) -even tho they know the lobbyists/corporate interests have them bought lock, stock, and barrel-- it isn't going to change...
Years ago- when there was 10-20-30 times the farmers/ranchers- and many more Packers/Feeders each with less influence, we cattle producers had enough of a vote we could counter many of their actions- but as the Packer/feeders consolidate- and start throwing bigger and bigger bucks into the politicians back pockets, its become much more difficult....
USDA is just one symptom of a much larger, deep rooted disease...
Time for "Change"....

 

[Sandhusker]

As long as we keep electing the sameo, sameo bunch of politicians to go back to Washington- where they slop at the Lobbyists troughs for years- with folks keeping on re-electing them until they die in office (or quit and become a Lobbyist) -even tho they know the lobbyists/corporate interests have them bought lock, stock, and barrel-- it isn't going to change...
Years ago- when there was 10-20-30 times the farmers/ranchers- and many more Packers/Feeders each with less influence, we cattle producers had enough of a vote we could counter many of their actions- but as the Packer/feeders consolidate- and start throwing bigger and bigger bucks into the politicians back pockets, its become much more difficult....
USDA is just one symptom of a much larger, deep rooted disease...
Time for "Change"....

We need positive "Change", not just change for the sake of change. You can always get worse, and if we elect a certain punk socialist, it'll be "hang on to your asses" for everybody. We've got to go to elected officials enmass and say, "This is very important to us and if you go the other way, I'm voting for the other guy first chance I get".

 

[Anonymous]

As long as we keep electing the sameo, sameo bunch of politicians to go back to Washington- where they slop at the Lobbyists troughs for years- with folks keeping on re-electing them until they die in office (or quit and become a Lobbyist) -even tho they know the lobbyists/corporate interests have them bought lock, stock, and barrel-- it isn't going to change...
Years ago- when there was 10-20-30 times the farmers/ranchers- and many more Packers/Feeders each with less influence, we cattle producers had enough of a vote we could counter many of their actions- but as the Packer/feeders consolidate- and start throwing bigger and bigger bucks into the politicians back pockets, its become much more difficult....
USDA is just one symptom of a much larger, deep rooted disease...
Time for "Change"....

We need positive "Change", not just change for the sake of change. You can always get worse, and if we elect a certain punk socialist, it'll be "hang on to your asses" for everybody. We've got to go to elected officials enmass and say, "This is very important to us and if you go the other way, I'm voting for the other guy first chance I get".

Sandhusker- you aren't going to get change with same-o, same-o, who for 30+ years has been in the Lobbyists pockets- and trading influence for dollars....And who has now surrounded himself with some of the most corrupt and scandalized Lobbyists (Keating, Gramm,Burns) that have been involved in ripping off millions $ from the public, some of who were connected to Abramoff, and others with major financial Lobbying ties to communist countries....Last night the news was repeating the scuttlebutt that scandalized former Sen Phil Gramm- now turned bigtime Lobbyist (who is also McCains head economic advisor) has been slated as his Treasury Secretary....SAME-O, SAME-O--just a different choir director....

It was enough for me to see someone new to the scene that refused to hire lobbyists and refused to accept campaign donations from lobbyists and PAC's... Time for fresh blood- and some fresh air in D.C. ...
I think its the only chance to get any Change...

 

[Mike]

OT wrote:It was enough for me to see someone new to the scene that refused to hire lobbyists and refused to accept campaign donations from lobbyists and PAC's...

Would you care to show us a candidate who hasn't accepted Pac and/or Lobbist money? Be careful............................... :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

OT wrote:It was enough for me to see someone new to the scene that refused to hire lobbyists and refused to accept campaign donations from lobbyists and PAC's...

Would you care to show us a candidate who hasn't accepted Pac and/or Lobbist money? Be careful............................... :lol:

Obama has refused to hire active lobbyists and/or take money from lobbyists.....When he became the nominee he asked for- and had the DNC put out the same policy....

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00009638&cycle=2008

 

[Mike]

OT wrote:It was enough for me to see someone new to the scene that refused to hire lobbyists and refused to accept campaign donations from lobbyists and PAC's...

Would you care to show us a candidate who hasn't accepted Pac and/or Lobbist money? Be careful............................... :lol:

Obama has refused to hire active lobbyists and/or take money from lobbyists.....When he became the nominee he asked for- and had the DNC put out the same policy....

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00009638&cycle=2008

You have not yet answered my question............ :roll:

 

[Sandhusker]

Look who BarryO has surrounded himself with. I rest my case.

 

[Mike]

Look who BarryO has surrounded himself with. I rest my case.

OT won't answer the question. Barack Hussein Obama only announced his intentions about Pacs/Lobbyists on June 5 of this year. There was lots of fundraising going on before that. :roll:

Black churches here are having gangbuster fundraisers for him here, but tell the congregation to mail the checks in directly. Can't be tracked.... :shock: They even furnish the stamps.

All the while they are having classes at church on how to receive the maximum welfare/social program money that can be had. If everyone could see the true way this thing is going, they would be sickened.

 

[RobertMac]

OT, the only change you will get is whose back pocket the lobbyist bigger bucks are going into!!!!!!!! Don't be foolish!!!

 

[Anonymous]

OT, the only change you will get is whose back pocket the lobbyist bigger bucks are going into!!!!!!!! Don't be foolish!!!

Well- we know with McSame we will have the same-o -- Corporates and lobbyists rule when you look at the list of his advisors-all of whom are Lobbyists (many were still working for their Lobbying firms as they worked for McCain) - and some of which are the biggest double dipping crooks in years (Phil Gramm, Conman Burns,) and others who raise question about what McCain wants to do with the US sovereignty ( Juan Hernandez, Soros and La Raza)....

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/25/meet-the-open-borders-family-mccain-hernandez-soros-and-the-reform-institute/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=56177

I have no doubts whoever is elected will have to raise taxes to keep the country going-you can't live on borrowing money forever--with even the most conservative of the economists say it is almost a must in order to maintain and start paying for 7 years of drunken sailor spending-during all of which time much of the US infrastructure was disregarded while we plopped $Billions into some Arabs pockebooks.... But I feel much more assured that with Obama the benefits of those tax dollars will go back to improve the lifestyle of people IN THE US- NOT IRAQIS- and to build infrastructure IN THE US- not 100 years of pouring it into Iraq...

Black churches here are having gangbuster fundraisers for him here, but tell the congregation to mail the checks in directly. Can't be tracked.... They even furnish the stamps.

So Mike is it wrong if several of my church members and I get together and raise money for a candidate- or is it just wrong if you're BLACK church members belonging to a BLACK church- campaigning for a BLACK candidate.... :???:

 

[QUESTION]

way to stay on topic :roll: What does racism have to do with the injunction ?

 

[ranch hand]

way to stay on topic :roll: What does racism have to do with the injunction ?

Still waiting for the numbers Q, as the sites you listed don't back your post.

 

[QUESTION]

You are going to tell me that Canada exports more boxed beef than the US. Look at the slaughter numbers alone :roll: . I am getting tired of leading you through every statement because you either don't want to understand or do not have the abilities to understand or you decide you want to take some scewed view. But by all means tell everyone on here that Canada which only has 12 % the number of cattle the US does, exports more than the entire US. Do you realize how that sounds? By all means go off on another tangent.
Just a question-Where are you are ranch hand because you seem to be able to post all daylong i would like to know what ranch supplies a saddle with a laptop with a y-fy hook up and internet running all day long. Or maybe you are not on a ranch at all , :lol2:

 

[RobertMac]

OT, the only change you will get is whose back pocket the lobbyist bigger bucks are going into!!!!!!!! Don't be foolish!!!

Well- we know with McSame we will have the same-o -- Corporates and lobbyists rule when you look at the list of his advisors-all of whom are Lobbyists (many were still working for their Lobbying firms as they worked for McCain) - and some of which are the biggest double dipping crooks in years (Phil Gramm, Conman Burns,) and others who raise question about what McCain wants to do with the US sovereignty ( Juan Hernandez, Soros and La Raza)....

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/25/meet-the-open-borders-family-mccain-hernandez-soros-and-the-reform-institute/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=56177

I have no doubts whoever is elected will have to raise taxes to keep the country going-you can't live on borrowing money forever--with even the most conservative of the economists say it is almost a must in order to maintain and start paying for 7 years of drunken sailor spending-during all of which time much of the US infrastructure was disregarded while we plopped $Billions into some Arabs pockebooks.... But I feel much more assured that with Obama the benefits of those tax dollars will go back to improve the lifestyle of people IN THE US- NOT IRAQIS- and to build infrastructure IN THE US- not 100 years of pouring it into Iraq...

Black churches here are having gangbuster fundraisers for him here, but tell the congregation to mail the checks in directly. Can't be tracked.... They even furnish the stamps.

So Mike is it wrong if several of my church members and I get together and raise money for a candidate- or is it just wrong if you're BLACK church members belonging to a BLACK church- campaigning for a BLACK candidate.... :???:

So you agree that Democrats will pocket lobbyist dollars just like Republicans before them and Democrats before them and....

What Change???????

 

[Mike]

So Mike is it wrong if several of my church members and I get together and raise money for a candidate- or is it just wrong if you're BLACK church members belonging to a BLACK church- campaigning for a BLACK candidate....

It's not only wrong for a church to collect money for a candidate, it's illegal!!!

But they know how to skirt the rules by stamping each church members' individual donation and sending it to your buddy Hussein. :roll:

You and several of your church members getting together and raising money for a candidate should be OK. That way the church is not directly involved. The way it's done here, the church IS directly involved.

 

[Anonymous]

OT, the only change you will get is whose back pocket the lobbyist bigger bucks are going into!!!!!!!! Don't be foolish!!!

Well- we know with McSame we will have the same-o -- Corporates and lobbyists rule when you look at the list of his advisors-all of whom are Lobbyists (many were still working for their Lobbying firms as they worked for McCain) - and some of which are the biggest double dipping crooks in years (Phil Gramm, Conman Burns,) and others who raise question about what McCain wants to do with the US sovereignty ( Juan Hernandez, Soros and La Raza)....

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/25/meet-the-open-borders-family-mccain-hernandez-soros-and-the-reform-institute/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=56177

I have no doubts whoever is elected will have to raise taxes to keep the country going-you can't live on borrowing money forever--with even the most conservative of the economists say it is almost a must in order to maintain and start paying for 7 years of drunken sailor spending-during all of which time much of the US infrastructure was disregarded while we plopped $Billions into some Arabs pockebooks.... But I feel much more assured that with Obama the benefits of those tax dollars will go back to improve the lifestyle of people IN THE US- NOT IRAQIS- and to build infrastructure IN THE US- not 100 years of pouring it into Iraq...

Black churches here are having gangbuster fundraisers for him here, but tell the congregation to mail the checks in directly. Can't be tracked.... They even furnish the stamps.

So Mike is it wrong if several of my church members and I get together and raise money for a candidate- or is it just wrong if you're BLACK church members belonging to a BLACK church- campaigning for a BLACK candidate.... :???:

So you agree that Democrats will pocket lobbyist dollars just like Republicans before them and Democrats before them and....

What Change???????

Oh I'm sure they will- some of those old Byrds been in there doing that for 40 years...But it is refreshing that there could be a possibility of a President going into office that doesn't already have 30+ years connections to Lobbyists and Corporate interests he owes favors to....

Neither one is conservative- and McCain's history has shown to be all over the spectrum- mainly tied to which way the Lobbyist money is flowing on the given date...
And Obama has taken up Lou Dobbs challenge to not hire anyone in his administration that has worked as a lobbyist for 3 years prior- and will not allow them to take a lobbying job for 3 years after leaving....McCain has refused to answer Dobbs request....

While I don't like them- taxes are a necessary evil in a civilized country- and nobody could spend more- or on more stupid moves (that have put our children and grandchildren unborn already in debt) than the last bunch that was in office...And if we are going to spend money like it grows on trees- let it be done to build things in this country that possibly the Grandchildren can benefit from--rather than as appeasement payments to any Ali Baba that holds his hand out- or to build the George Bush elementary school in Baghdad....

And this stuff with USDA isn't just USDA- this whole corporate bought out government stems from the top-down--with a pattern/direction showing up in CFTC regulators that were told not to regulate, GIPSA investigators that were told not to investigate (remember- just shuffle papers and make it look good), to USDA, FDA, EPA, CPSA,-- all who were told to do nothing to interfer with what the top wanted- cheap imports (except when it came to drugs, because that cut into Bush family Pharmaceutical holdings- but it was alright for the US companies to import untested raw drug materials into the country from China- that were found to be tainted and killed several) - or to falsify or change the info/science so it would fit what the top wanted- ex. a long standing, long researched TSE policy that was drawn up by the USDA's top experts on how to keep BSE from entering or effecting US cattle herd/industry, that was thrown out the window as soon as it affected the Tysons/Cargills/etal when BSE was found in Canada...

So its going to take changing from the top down- and with McCain dragging in these same old corrupt corporate bought out folks- that won't happen if he takes office....The only hope is a Sweeping CHANGE.....