R-CALF USA Talking Points Regarding USDA’s OTM Import Rule

[Texan]

R-CALF talking point number 1:

The U.S. should not give additional access to the U.S. market until the U.S. fully regains the share of the global export market it has lost since 2003.

Please big government - come save us from competition. And R-CALF isn't a protectionist organization? :lol:

NCBA said the same thing. Are they protectionist, too?

That's a protectionist statement to me. I don't care who said it. When you deny that your organization is protectionist in nature, it only serves to make you look foolish.

 

[Texan]

R-CALF talking point number 1:

The U.S. should not give additional access to the U.S. market until the U.S. fully regains the share of the global export market it has lost since 2003.

Please big government - come save us from competition. And R-CALF isn't a protectionist organization? :lol:

But you and your buddy boys stand up and cheer when government tells Creekstone and others what they can market and export - like BSE tested meat to markets that want BSE tested.... :roll:

Who are my "buddy boys"? And when have you seen me "stand up and cheer" about the Creekstone decision? Do you have a quote or link that might refresh my memory? Or is this just another feeble cheeRleadeR's attempt to change the subject?

I have said that I don't want to take a chance on U.S. consumer groups or U.S. consumers feeling like we are doing something for export that we aren't doing for domestic consumers. That seems dangerous to me for long-term demand at home.

So....who are my "buddy boys"?

 

[Anonymous]

So....who are my "buddy boys"?

I thought you were an NCBA pom pommer......

 

[Sandhusker]

Texan, "I have said that I don't want to take a chance on U.S. consumer groups or U.S. consumers feeling like we are doing something for export that we aren't doing for domestic consumers. That seems dangerous to me for long-term demand at home"

We already are.

 

[Texan]

So....who are my "buddy boys"?

I thought you were an NCBA pom pommer......

Why would you think that? Just because I don't agree with R-CALF? Either "with us" or "with them", is that it?

 

[cowsense]

Cowsense, "Actualy Canadian livestock are probably a better bet; we have a superior SRM feed ban policy (soon to be enhanced even higher), a National and universal animal health protocol, a proven mandatory traceback system, and an animal inspection program that works!"

You must not be aware of 4 post ban BSE cases that have been found up there. Statisticaly, you are a far worse bet.

Obviously I'm much more aware of the real world than you; that merely points out that we have an effective surveillance system and that we are dealing with the problem...... That puts us way ahead of the US in OIE approved BSE risk mitigation! BTW the shoot;shovel and shutup strategy will not move the US into a negligible risk status!

 

[Texan]

Texan, "I have said that I don't want to take a chance on U.S. consumer groups or U.S. consumers feeling like we are doing something for export that we aren't doing for domestic consumers. That seems dangerous to me for long-term demand at home"

We already are.

Segregating carcasses based on age? Is that what you're talking about? What else? Name me something that has the potential of turning consumers off as much as you and your consumer activist buddies holding hands and telling the press how we test for the Japanese, but we refuse to test at home.

Because I just don't trust you R-CALF guys not to do that if you think it will further your protectionist agenda. And I don't want to have to pay for testing everything for what should essentially be a non-issue.

 

[HAY MAKER]

Cowsense, "Actualy Canadian livestock are probably a better bet; we have a superior SRM feed ban policy (soon to be enhanced even higher), a National and universal animal health protocol, a proven mandatory traceback system, and an animal inspection program that works!"

You must not be aware of 4 post ban BSE cases that have been found up there. Statisticaly, you are a far worse bet.

Obviously I'm much more aware of the real world than you; that merely points out that we have an effective surveillance system and that we are dealing with the problem...... That puts us way ahead of the US in OIE approved BSE risk mitigation! BTW the shoot;shovel and shutup strategy will not move the US into a negligible risk status!

I dont think so cowcents...................
Allowing OTM Canadian cattle and beef into the United States will immediately harm the United States' international disease risk profile. The United States has a more favorable BSE risk profile than Canada. Canada cannot possibly meet the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) standard for a country with a negligible BSE risk, which requires that the youngest BSE case must be born more than 11 years ago. However, because the U.S. has only detected BSE in two native animals, both born well before the feed ban and the youngest estimated to be 10 years of age on February 28, 2006, the U.S. will likely meet the international standard to be considered a negligible BSE risk if it does not mix Canadian cattle and beef with U.S. cattle and beef.

 

[Sandhusker]

Texan, "I have said that I don't want to take a chance on U.S. consumer groups or U.S. consumers feeling like we are doing something for export that we aren't doing for domestic consumers. That seems dangerous to me for long-term demand at home"

We already are.

Segregating carcasses based on age? Is that what you're talking about? What else? Name me something that has the potential of turning consumers off as much as you and your consumer activist buddies holding hands and telling the press how we test for the Japanese, but we refuse to test at home.

Because I just don't trust you R-CALF guys not to do that if you think it will further your protectionist agenda. And I don't want to have to pay for testing everything for what should essentially be a non-issue.

How about giving Japan only 21 and under beef while anything goes here? The Japanese get only the young stuff while we keep the burnt out milk cows at home? Not that I think US consumers really give a dang about what we send others.

You wouldnt' have to pay for testing! Why would you? It would be strictly optional!

Protectionist agenda my butt. Look up the word.

 

[cowsense]

Haymaker..........Go back a page and read my first post. Canada and the US are both scientificaly classified in the same risk category by the OIE and are oblligated to meet OIE standards for international trade! There's no way the US can move to the Negligible risk category without a satisfactory feed ban and any kind of traceability program!

 

[HAY MAKER]

Haymaker..........Go back a page and read my first post. Canada and the US are both scientificaly classified in the same risk category by the OIE and are oblligated to meet OIE standards for international trade! There's no way the US can move to the Negligible risk category without a satisfactory feed ban and any kind of traceability program!

Cowsense,thank you for expressing your opinion but,there is a world of differnce between the UNITED STATES BSE problem and Canada's,it is widely believed mixing Canada's cattle and beef with the USA's will compromise our ability to meet the international standard to be considered a negligible BSE risk ..................good luck

 

[Anonymous]

Haymaker..........Go back a page and read my first post. Canada and the US are both scientificaly classified in the same risk category by the OIE and are oblligated to meet OIE standards for international trade! There's no way the US can move to the Negligible risk category without a satisfactory feed ban and any kind of traceability program!

Cowsense,thank you for expressing your opinion but,there is a world of differnce between the UNITED STATES BSE problem and Canada's,it is widely believed mixing Canada's cattle and beef with the USA's will compromise our ability to meet the international standard to be considered a negligible BSE risk ..................good luck

And could for many years- since Canada can't even qualify for negligible for 5 or 6 more years.....