R-CALF's mantra for MRJ

[Sandhusker]

MRJ, "roperAB, when you say "I still think the packers are the common enemy", you place yourself squarely in the R-CALF camp. That was and is their mantra, over and over and over. "

NO, MRJ, that is WRONG! You don't know what R-CALF's mantra is - maybe if you actually listened to it, you might join an orginization that actually supports producers. :?

I"ll tell you what the mantra is. Please print it off for further reference.
In a nutshell, here it is; The packers, like any other business, are looking after themselves and are doing what they can to sustain profits today and into the future. They appeal to the government, like all industries do, for assistance in meeting their wants. However, many of the things that the packers are doing for their interestes are detrimental to the interests of producers. If producers are not going to be ran over, they need a voice to balance the influence of the packers in Washington.

Any questions? Any disagreements? Was this clear enough?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

So I the words of Austin Powers' what kind of a nut is this shell?"

 

[don]

sandhusker: I"ll tell you what the mantra is. Please print it off for further reference.
In a nutshell, here it is; The packers, like any other business, are looking after themselves and are doing what they can to sustain profits today and into the future. They appeal to the government, like all industries do, for assistance in meeting their wants. However, many of the things that the packers are doing for their interestes are detrimental to the interests of producers. If producers are not going to be ran over, they need a voice to balance the influence of the packers in Washington.


for future reference is this official r-calf information or is it only an anonymous opinion to be denied at a later date? could save a lot of bickering if this is settled now. wouldn't want r-calf blamed for something they didn't really say or mean to say or thought somebody might say or is only whispered after the secret r-calf handshake.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Good point Don. I wonder where this is written on the r-CALF website or is it only in the secert decoder handbook? You know like "Drink Ovaltine"

 

[Anonymous]

It has always been interesting to me that when you peruse the various threads on the different websites, including the Canadian ones- there are actually many more Canadian producers posting that follow the general philosophy of R-CALF than that of NCBA- if you removed the border issue....

Many of the issues brought forward by the Big C group are almost identical to the R-CALF stance...Packer ownership, captive supply, fair trade, corporate domination of the industry and politicians, fair value for your product, survival of the family sized operation are just a few...

But then you also have the Canadian Corporate followers (Big Muddy, Tam, Jason) that refuse to even question what is happening to the industry and the rural lifestyle as a whole.....

 

[mrj]

MRJ, "roperAB, when you say "I still think the packers are the common enemy", you place yourself squarely in the R-CALF camp. That was and is their mantra, over and over and over. "

NO, MRJ, that is WRONG! You don't know what R-CALF's mantra is - maybe if you actually listened to it, you might join an orginization that actually supports producers. :?

I"ll tell you what the mantra is. Please print it off for further reference.
In a nutshell, here it is; The packers, like any other business, are looking after themselves and are doing what they can to sustain profits today and into the future. They appeal to the government, like all industries do, for assistance in meeting their wants. However, many of the things that the packers are doing for their interestes are detrimental to the interests of producers. If producers are not going to be ran over, they need a voice to balance the influence of the packers in Washington.

Any questions? Any disagreements? Was this clear enough?

I never said it was an official position. As in many issues, R-CALF does not have to get their 'official' hands dirty, because they have their champion "attack dogs" on the radio giving market reports and R-CALF promotional propaganda a couple of times each week on at least two powerful radio stations in SD. The unfailing message is that "the packers are stealing from you, and that your checkoff is being used against you, so you need to support R-CALF".

I absolutely know that the checkoff lie is untrue, because it is not the membership division of NCBA that gets checkoff money, but actually is the national group of the STATE BEEF COUNCILS, which comprise the Federation of State Beef Councils division of NCBA. The two divisions' finances are totally separate .......absolutely verifiable, but some choose not to believe it and promote that lie. Knowing about that lie, it isn't unreasonable to think the tales about the evils of packer concentration are manufactured to a greater or lesser degree.

MRJ

 

[Sandhusker]

MRJ, "I never said it was an official position.'

That's a weak cop-out MRJ.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "However, many of the things that the packers are doing for their interestes are detrimental to the interests of producers."

Name some of these things and explain, IN DETAIL, how they are detrimental to the interests of producers.


Watch the circus chicken diversion dance folks.................


R-CULT's mantra is to "BWAME DA PACKAH", "BWAME DA RETAILAH", "BWAME USDA", "BWAME NCBA", "BWAME GIPSA", "BWAME IMPORTS", "BWAME DA CHECKOFF", and "BWAME CAPTIVE SUPPLY".

They think they have all the reasons for lower cattle prices but can never explain the markets when prices go higher.

R-CULT is a totally emotionally driven organization, not a factually driven organization. Need proof? Watch Sandbag divert the above question.

R-CULT is based on lies. That is precisely why they cannot win a single court case that they support.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Your post (yet again) is full of juvinile name-calling, childish put-downs and carries the over-all aire of a smart-ash junior-high punk struggling with delayed puberty syndrome and you expect me to engage in dialoge with you?

Act like a man and I'll engage you like a man. Until then, I've got 100 other things to do that are a better use of my time.

 

[RobertMac]

Your post (yet again) is full of juvinile name-calling, childish put-downs and carries the over-all aire of a smart-ash junior-high punk struggling with delayed puberty syndrome and you expect me to engage in dialoge with you?

Act like a man and I'll engage you like a man. Until then, I've got 100 other things to do that are a better use of my time.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The cost of procurement of raw product (live cattle) is the packer's biggest expense. That procurement cost is the cattle producers INCOME. When packers reduce their procurement cost to improve their margins, the CATTLE PRODUCERS LOSE INCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE ANTAGONISM THERE.......

Sorry Tommy

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "Your post (yet again) is full of juvinile name-calling, childish put-downs and carries the over-all aire of a smart-ash junior-high punk struggling with delayed puberty syndrome and you expect me to engage in dialoge with you?

Act like a man and I'll engage you like a man. Until then, I've got 100 other things to do that are a better use of my time."

Sandbag, you should write a book on "a million and one ways to divert a question".

As if I thought you'd really answer it....................ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz!

RM: "The cost of procurement of raw product (live cattle) is the packer's biggest expense. That procurement cost is the cattle producers INCOME. When packers reduce their procurement cost to improve their margins, the CATTLE PRODUCERS LOSE INCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE ANTAGONISM THERE......."

The part that packer blamers like you can't get through your thick skulls is that packers can only lower the price of their raw products AS FAR AS THEIR COMPETITION WILL LET THEM.

If packers could set the price of their raw products independent of their competition, PRICES WOULD NEVER MOVE!

That's the part of this that is so elementary but you just can't get it through your thick head.

TYSON, EXCEL, AND SWIFT ARE IN COMPETITION WITH EACHOTHER FOR THE SAME CATTLE. THERE IS NO PRICE SETTING INDEPENDENT OF THAT COMPETITION.


~SH~

 

[RobertMac]

SH, you should write a book on "a million and one ways to divert".

 

[Tommy]

RobertMac...Sorry Tommy


I understand Robert. No problem. :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

I diverted nothing. Your point that packers reduce the price of the raw products to increase their profits is trumped by the fact that they can only reduce their input costs so much DUE TO THE COMPETITION BETWEEN PACKERS.

A fact that you cannot deny. If it wasn't a fact, cattle prices would never move.

It doesn't matter if packers want to reduce their input costs, the fact remains, they can only lower the price they are willing to pay so much or their competition gets the cattle.

Again, a fact that you simply cannot get through your thick packer blaming skull.

NEXT!



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Quote:
Sandbag: "Your post (yet again) is full of juvinile name-calling, childish put-downs and carries the over-all aire of a smart-ash junior-high punk struggling with delayed puberty syndrome and you expect me to engage in dialoge with you?

Act like a man and I'll engage you like a man. Until then, I've got 100 other things to do that are a better use of my time."



sh, "Sandbag, you should write a book on "a million and one ways to divert a question". As if I thought you'd really answer it....................ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz! "


Considering your "style" on this board, why should I even acknowledge any post of yours, much less meet a request? Why should anybody?

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "Considering your "style" on this board, why should I even acknowledge any post of yours, much less meet a request? Why should anybody?"

Considering my intolerance for deceivers like yourself, I fully understand why you would chose to divert my question AGAIN. If I was as factually void as you, I'd probably divert too.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandbag: "Considering your "style" on this board, why should I even acknowledge any post of yours, much less meet a request? Why should anybody?"

Considering my intolerance for deceivers like yourself, I fully understand why you would chose to divert my question AGAIN. If I was as factually void as you, I'd probably divert too.


~SH~

I'm not diverting from your question. I'm plain refusing to answer it, or any other from you until you can act like an intelligent adult. I don't put up with snot-nosed junior high schmucks in "real life", I see no reason to do so here. Put down your snow cone and hershey bar, get off your sugar high, and grow up.

P.S. Nobody is buying your "my only bias is truth", "no tolerance for deceivers", etc... horse crap, so please spare us the assinine self-promotion.

 

[Tommy]

mj...As in many issues, R-CALF does not have to get their 'official' hands dirty, because they have their champion "attack dogs" on the radio giving market reports and R-CALF promotional propaganda a couple of times each week on at least two powerful radio stations in SD.

Do these two radio stations just give up their air time to the "attack dogs"? If not then maybe you can get some of your NCBA members there in SD to donate money so you can promote your view on these same two powerful radio stations.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "I'm not diverting from your question. I'm plain refusing to answer it, or any other from you until you can act like an intelligent adult."

You've proven time and time again that you will divert any question that reveals your ignorance. Your an R-CULT statement maker, not a truth presenter. A bonafide blamer. Why answer questions when you can make statements and divert proving your ignorance?

Sandbag: "P.S. Nobody is buying your "my only bias is truth", "no tolerance for deceivers", etc... horse crap, so please spare us the assinine self-promotion."

You don't speak for anyone but yourself and a handful of other mindless followers.

I suppose that would explain your inability to correct anything I have stated with opposing facts wouldn't it??? You bet...............lull me to sleep Sandman......ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz!

You are such a little follower. Populist opinions carry more weight than facts for followers like you.

Let me know when you clowns win your first court case. Any predictions on Aberdeen? Gosh, those packers don't stand a chance with big bad Herman and Callicrate going after them again.

Wake me when it's over!


~SH~

 

[RobertMac]

It doesn't matter if packers want to reduce their input costs, the fact remains, they can only lower the price they are willing to pay so much or their competition gets the cattle.

If packers are losing money, wouldn't they want their competition to 'get' all they can??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :???: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is naive to believe that packers aren't proactive in the market and when they have 10-30% market share, they have market power.