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R-Klan rolls the Legal Dice

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R-CALF Risks Consumer Confidence Yet Again

They Roll the Legal Dice, Hoping to Re-open the Case, Close the Border


The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals heard oral arguments in Portland, OR. Friday to consider remanding R-CALF's lawsuit to close the Canadian border back to Billings' District Court.

A three-judge panel heard R-CALF's attorneys warn there was worrisome new evidence regarding BSE. Upon repeated prompts from the judges, however, the R- CALF lawyers did not disclose any of this new evidence, courtroom observers reported. The question, "What do you want us to do?" seemed not to draw a response that satisfied the judges, as they repeated the question several times during the hearing.

This hearing was the latest battle in R- CALF's war to keep Canadian cattle and beef out of the U.S. Canada supplies a net of less than five percent of the U.S. total but R-CALF opposes imports. They have spent millions of dollars in legal fees to close the Canadian border and attempts to re-close it.

The original temporary injunction in the Eighth District Court stopped USDA's scheduled reopening of the U.S.-Canadian border in 2005. That injunction was overturned by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, with a thorough backing of USDA's handling of the issue. Friday's hearing was a last ditch effort by R-CALF to revive its case.

One judge asked why R-CALF didn't just take their alleged new evidence to the USDA. That drew no direct response from R-CALF's legal team.

Another judge asked the plaintiffs if they wanted a zero tolerance risk standard to be applied to this case. R-CALF's attorneys confirmed that.

Mark Stern, the attorney representing USDA, vigorously defended the agency's actions.

Representatives for the organizations who had filed an Amicus brief supporting the USDA were in attendance. Those organizations and companies included the National Meat Association, American Meat Institute, Easterday Ranches, Pioneer, Inc., North American Meat Processors, Southwest Meat Association, Eastern Meat Packers Association and the United Food and Commercial Workers.

The BSE border fight has been one key battleground in R-CALF's protectionist efforts to stop imports and eliminate cattle and beef trade. They favor implementation of mCOOL for the same reasons. They do not consider important the billions of dollars U.S. cattlemen receive from exporting beef and variety meats. Yet Cattle-Fax has pegged the added value from exports at over $100/head, some $1.5 billion and more. Both top beef cuts and variety meats not popular with Americans sell for much higher prices in other countries.

The frozen, lean beef that is imported to mix with domestic trimmings to help keep up with America's hunger for ground beef is trade R-CALF wants to stop. That beef is slaughtered under inspection procedures equivalent to USDA's system at approved foreign plants. The huge increase in the productiveness of American mother cows - both beef and dairy -- has meant fewer cows were needed to produce beef and milk. The problem: a major shortage of older slaughter cows (6 million vs. 11 million) to satisfy increasing ground beef demand.

The Ninth could rule on the appeal in the next couple months. Several allegations in R- CALF's original 2005 case have already been proven wrong, like their claim that Canada was overrun with BSE cases, analogous to the U.K.'s thousands in the mid-'80s. Also wrong was their claim that importing slaughter cattle from Canada could spread BSE into the U.S. cow herd. The U.S. already had BSE, albeit at an extremely low level and BSE does not spread by cattle-to-cattle contact as R-CALF testimony hypothesized.

Careful surveillance of hundreds of thousands of at-risk older cattle in both countries has detected extremely low numbers of BSE-infected cattle. The feed bans to prevent the spread among animals and the Specified Risk Material removal at slaughter to keep meat safe for human consumption have proven effective, just as in the rest of the world.

Ignoring scientific fact and world BSE experience, R-CALF has been obsessed with stopping imports at all costs. Their case claimed "an unjustified and unnecessary increased risk" to the U.S. herd. Recklessly risking consumer confidence in beef, they accused the USDA of "importing meat contaminated with BSE into the U.S.," to "expose U.S. consumers to increased risk of an invariably fatal disease." Judge Richard Cebull's ruling on the case resulted in the New York Times quoting his opinion that consumers were being threatened with a "genuine risk of death."

Here's hoping the Ninth rules R-CALF and the court system has interfered enough in U.S. beef trade.
 
rcalf is pretty handy with statistics. I wonder how the Ninth Circuit will respond when rcalf, truth-loving bunch that they are, presents the statistically based calculation that shows that the American beef consumer has already eaten 2600 head of BSE-ridden cattle (using the most conservative method of figuring).

And then, when out of a smitten conscience, they tell the Court that the SRM's from those cattle may have directly or indirectly entered the bovine feed chain . . . .

:lol: :lol: :lol:

. . . . if they are lucky, there will be only one sleepy reporter there and therefore it will take months instead of days or weeks to destroy all consumer confidence . . . . :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

rcalfers, your tenacity is to be applauded - I think, eh . . . :tiphat:
 
I see the one-man "foundation" has spoken again, or maybe this is coming from the other end....


"A three-judge panel heard R-CALF's attorneys warn there was worrisome new evidence regarding BSE. Upon repeated prompts from the judges, however, the R- CALF lawyers did not disclose any of this new evidence, courtroom observers reported."

Why doesn't Dittmer report that evidence wasn't supposed to be presented at this trial - each side only had 20 minutes total to present their case!

The question, "What do you want us to do?" seemed not to draw a response that satisfied the judges, as they repeated the question several times during the hearing.

Horsecrap! R-CALF said they wanted a shot in District Court so they could present evidence to back their case. They want to be able to tell their side of the story.

This hearing was the latest battle in R- CALF's war to keep Canadian cattle and beef out of the U.S. Canada supplies a net of less than five percent of the U.S. total but R-CALF opposes imports. They have spent millions of dollars in legal fees to close the Canadian border and attempts to re-close it.

Blatant lie. R-CALF does not oppose imports.

The original temporary injunction in the Eighth District Court stopped USDA's scheduled reopening of the U.S.-Canadian border in 2005. That injunction was overturned by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, with a thorough backing of USDA's handling of the issue. Friday's hearing was a last ditch effort by R-CALF to revive its case.

A "thorough backing"? They didn't back a flipping thing! The Ninth's ruling was that deference should be given to the USDA, not that they did the right thing!

One judge asked why R-CALF didn't just take their alleged new evidence to the USDA. That drew no direct response from R-CALF's legal team.

More horseshit. R-CALF took their evidence to the USDA, Congress, the press, etc....

Another judge asked the plaintiffs if they wanted a zero tolerance risk standard to be applied to this case. R-CALF's attorneys confirmed that.

Mark Stern, the attorney representing USDA, vigorously defended the agency's actions.

Representatives for the organizations who had filed an Amicus brief supporting the USDA were in attendance. Those organizations and companies included the National Meat Association, American Meat Institute, Easterday Ranches, Pioneer, Inc., North American Meat Processors, Southwest Meat Association, Eastern Meat Packers Association and the United Food and Commercial Workers.

No mention of R-CALF's supports in attendance.......?

The BSE border fight has been one key battleground in R-CALF's protectionist efforts to stop imports and eliminate cattle and beef trade. They favor implementation of mCOOL for the same reasons. They do not consider important the billions of dollars U.S. cattlemen receive from exporting beef and variety meats. Yet Cattle-Fax has pegged the added value from exports at over $100/head, some $1.5 billion and more. Both top beef cuts and variety meats not popular with Americans sell for much higher prices in other countries.

That whole statement is pure horseshit.

The frozen, lean beef that is imported to mix with domestic trimmings to help keep up with America's hunger for ground beef is trade R-CALF wants to stop. That beef is slaughtered under inspection procedures equivalent to USDA's system at approved foreign plants. The huge increase in the productiveness of American mother cows - both beef and dairy -- has meant fewer cows were needed to produce beef and milk. The problem: a major shortage of older slaughter cows (6 million vs. 11 million) to satisfy increasing ground beef demand.

The Ninth could rule on the appeal in the next couple months. Several allegations in R- CALF's original 2005 case have already been proven wrong, like their claim that Canada was overrun with BSE cases, analogous to the U.K.'s thousands in the mid-'80s. Also wrong was their claim that importing slaughter cattle from Canada could spread BSE into the U.S. cow herd. The U.S. already had BSE, albeit at an extremely low level and BSE does not spread by cattle-to-cattle contact as R-CALF testimony hypothesized.

Maybe you Canucks here can clue Dittmer in on our feed ban...

Careful surveillance of hundreds of thousands of at-risk older cattle in both countries has detected extremely low numbers of BSE-infected cattle. The feed bans to prevent the spread among animals and the Specified Risk Material removal at slaughter to keep meat safe for human consumption have proven effective, just as in the rest of the world.

The feed ban is effective when half of the cases were born AFTER it was implemented?

Ignoring scientific fact and world BSE experience, R-CALF has been obsessed with stopping imports at all costs. Their case claimed "an unjustified and unnecessary increased risk" to the U.S. herd. Recklessly risking consumer confidence in beef, they accused the USDA of "importing meat contaminated with BSE into the U.S.," to "expose U.S. consumers to increased risk of an invariably fatal disease." Judge Richard Cebull's ruling on the case resulted in the New York Times quoting his opinion that consumers were being threatened with a "genuine risk of death."

It's true.

Here's hoping the Ninth rules R-CALF and the court system has interfered enough in U.S. beef trade.

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What a lying worthless sack of shirt Dittmer has become. The truly sad part is that he knows better than to write such lopsided, outlandish horse shirt such as this - he has a journalism degree! This just shows what he's made of.
 
Come now - it is a report why don't you support your claims Sand H. If something is horsepucky then prove it provide a source to prove it. By the way because i said so isn't a source. How is it a lie to say R-CALF doesn't want imports, stopping canadian cattle at any level supports the argument, that the group doesn't want to allow canadian cattle in that is stopping imports plain and simple. You call one statement true and another a lie and they say the same thing the r-calf group wants no canadian imports. So which is it. Truth or lie make up your mind guy. Move on the battle is lost, by my figuring R-CALFs next fight will come when they try to block live OTMs later this summer and then completely freak when COOL is gutted to the point it will do nothing. Every label will be voluntary. All this crap about post feed ban numbers move back the OTM rule to 2000. There have been zero BSE positives born after 2000 in canada so no additional risk. Doing something reasonible would work but that would take cooler heads which seems to be lacking in the rcalf group.
 
Q, "There have been zero BSE positives born after 2000 in canada so no additional risk"

Here's a headline, "July 13, 2006 - BSE confirmed in a 50-month-old dairy cow from Alberta." 2002 is after 2000. Care to recant? I can do the same on all of Dittmer's garbage.

R-CALF doesn't want Canadian import under the status quo - that's a heck of a lot different than saying they don't want imports period. That's like you sending back a steak because it is rare when you ordered well done and then I claim that you don't like steaks. Dittmer is guilty of political horsecrap journalism where he tells half the story and omits certain facts that would lead the reader to a conclusion different than what he is pushing. The fact that he studied journalism in school makes his soul all the darker as he knows exactly what he's doing and he's accepting pay to do it. He's not worth a cup of cold spit.
 
Sandhusker said:
I see the one-man "foundation" has spoken again, or maybe this is coming from the other end....


"A three-judge panel heard R-CALF's attorneys warn there was worrisome new evidence regarding BSE. Upon repeated prompts from the judges, however, the R- CALF lawyers did not disclose any of this new evidence, courtroom observers reported."

Why doesn't Dittmer report that evidence wasn't supposed to be presented at this trial - each side only had 20 minutes total to present their case!

The question, "What do you want us to do?" seemed not to draw a response that satisfied the judges, as they repeated the question several times during the hearing.

Horsecrap! R-CALF said they wanted a shot in District Court so they could present evidence to back their case. They want to be able to tell their side of the story.

This hearing was the latest battle in R- CALF's war to keep Canadian cattle and beef out of the U.S. Canada supplies a net of less than five percent of the U.S. total but R-CALF opposes imports. They have spent millions of dollars in legal fees to close the Canadian border and attempts to re-close it.

Blatant lie. R-CALF does not oppose imports.

The original temporary injunction in the Eighth District Court stopped USDA's scheduled reopening of the U.S.-Canadian border in 2005. That injunction was overturned by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, with a thorough backing of USDA's handling of the issue. Friday's hearing was a last ditch effort by R-CALF to revive its case.

A "thorough backing"? They didn't back a flipping thing! The Ninth's ruling was that deference should be given to the USDA, not that they did the right thing!

One judge asked why R-CALF didn't just take their alleged new evidence to the USDA. That drew no direct response from R-CALF's legal team.

More horseshit. R-CALF took their evidence to the USDA, Congress, the press, etc....

Another judge asked the plaintiffs if they wanted a zero tolerance risk standard to be applied to this case. R-CALF's attorneys confirmed that.

Mark Stern, the attorney representing USDA, vigorously defended the agency's actions.

Representatives for the organizations who had filed an Amicus brief supporting the USDA were in attendance. Those organizations and companies included the National Meat Association, American Meat Institute, Easterday Ranches, Pioneer, Inc., North American Meat Processors, Southwest Meat Association, Eastern Meat Packers Association and the United Food and Commercial Workers.

No mention of R-CALF's supports in attendance.......?

The BSE border fight has been one key battleground in R-CALF's protectionist efforts to stop imports and eliminate cattle and beef trade. They favor implementation of mCOOL for the same reasons. They do not consider important the billions of dollars U.S. cattlemen receive from exporting beef and variety meats. Yet Cattle-Fax has pegged the added value from exports at over $100/head, some $1.5 billion and more. Both top beef cuts and variety meats not popular with Americans sell for much higher prices in other countries.

That whole statement is pure horseshit.

The frozen, lean beef that is imported to mix with domestic trimmings to help keep up with America's hunger for ground beef is trade R-CALF wants to stop. That beef is slaughtered under inspection procedures equivalent to USDA's system at approved foreign plants. The huge increase in the productiveness of American mother cows - both beef and dairy -- has meant fewer cows were needed to produce beef and milk. The problem: a major shortage of older slaughter cows (6 million vs. 11 million) to satisfy increasing ground beef demand.

The Ninth could rule on the appeal in the next couple months. Several allegations in R- CALF's original 2005 case have already been proven wrong, like their claim that Canada was overrun with BSE cases, analogous to the U.K.'s thousands in the mid-'80s. Also wrong was their claim that importing slaughter cattle from Canada could spread BSE into the U.S. cow herd. The U.S. already had BSE, albeit at an extremely low level and BSE does not spread by cattle-to-cattle contact as R-CALF testimony hypothesized.

Maybe you Canucks here can clue Dittmer in on our feed ban...

Careful surveillance of hundreds of thousands of at-risk older cattle in both countries has detected extremely low numbers of BSE-infected cattle. The feed bans to prevent the spread among animals and the Specified Risk Material removal at slaughter to keep meat safe for human consumption have proven effective, just as in the rest of the world.

The feed ban is effective when half of the cases were born AFTER it was implemented?

Ignoring scientific fact and world BSE experience, R-CALF has been obsessed with stopping imports at all costs. Their case claimed "an unjustified and unnecessary increased risk" to the U.S. herd. Recklessly risking consumer confidence in beef, they accused the USDA of "importing meat contaminated with BSE into the U.S.," to "expose U.S. consumers to increased risk of an invariably fatal disease." Judge Richard Cebull's ruling on the case resulted in the New York Times quoting his opinion that consumers were being threatened with a "genuine risk of death."

It's true.

Here's hoping the Ninth rules R-CALF and the court system has interfered enough in U.S. beef trade.

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What a lying worthless sack of s*** Dittmer has become. The truly sad part is that he knows better than to write such lopsided, outlandish horse s*** such as this - he has a journalism degree! This just shows what he's made of.

Hey Sadhusker. Why is it that you R-Klanners know so much about ........... S***?


:lol: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
SandH you are right 1 after 2000. case #7 oh yeah where was the infective material from - a complete grower ration that was manufactured by a feed company that bought its protein and minerals from the US. Check it out. So where did the infection come from the feed mill where did they get it ? It appears to be the good old US. But that can't be the US has only had 2 indeginous cases and they were the only two ever confirmed so they are the only two there must have been. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
QUESTION said:
SandH you are right 1 after 2000. case #7 oh yeah where was the infective material from - a complete grower ration that was manufactured by a feed company that bought its protein and minerals from the US. Check it out. So where did the infection come from the feed mill where did they get it ? It appears to be the good old US. But that can't be the US has only had 2 indeginous cases and they were the only two ever confirmed so they are the only two there must have been. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

If they are sure the material came from the US, why no news release?
 
Why no press release simple - the feed has been fed years ago, no tages left, the lot was shipped and used so no way to prove 100% but it is the most likely sorce that may have contained BSE tainted animal byproducts as that was the only feed to contain animal byproducts the animal ever consumed.When checking the other ration constituants the animal may have consumed the only one that may have contained animal byproducts could have come from the US but the US supplier has no record of where they got the animal based meal. Where do you think it came from the UK? LMAO. If there was only some way of tracking this sort of thing :roll: or maybe it is a case of spontaneous BSE like the US cases where the animals contracted BSE without consuming infected feed. :roll:
 

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