Ranchers Beef - the Plot Thickens. Or Sould that be Sickens?

[rkaiser]

And supply the beef needs of the American population with product from one of the finest herds and best health scrutinized countries in the world.

Who are also - by the way - accepting more American beef right now than at any time in the last 10 or more years due to the cheap American dollar.


Can you say ---- Thank you Canada?????

 

[Ben Roberts]

Ben, "Mrs. Greg, you are correct, it won't fly here, too many protectionist R-CALF members on here that can't see the forest for the trees. R-CALF can't/won't see that Canada, is one country that can help us immediately, instead of hurting us. Australia, would be the next."

What can we do with Canada that we can't do without them?

Well I guess that question has already been answered!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Sandhusker]

Ben, "Mrs. Greg, you are correct, it won't fly here, too many protectionist R-CALF members on here that can't see the forest for the trees. R-CALF can't/won't see that Canada, is one country that can help us immediately, instead of hurting us. Australia, would be the next."

What can we do with Canada that we can't do without them?

Well I guess that question has already been answered!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

I'm serious. This is not an anti-Canada schpeel, just a straight question. Why do we need Canada? Exactly what is it that we need them for that we can't do ourselves?

 

[don]

you're right - go buy your oil from osama. he's waiting to take your call. if you're serious that there's nothing canada has that you need you better take a look at trade stats. the canada - usa trading relationship is the largest in the world. you should travel a little further from home and you'd find out all that propaganda your govt. shoved down your throat wasn't all true. rotflmao.

 

[Sandhusker]

you're right - go buy your oil from osama. he's waiting to take your call. if you're serious that there's nothing canada has that you need you better take a look at trade stats. the canada - usa trading relationship is the largest in the world. you should travel a little further from home and you'd find out all that propaganda your govt. shoved down your throat wasn't all true. rotflmao.

I'm asking in the context of this North American herd ideology - that is the topic.

 

[Soapweed]

you're right - go buy your oil from osama. he's waiting to take your call. if you're serious that there's nothing canada has that you need you better take a look at trade stats. the canada - usa trading relationship is the largest in the world. you should travel a little further from home and you'd find out all that propaganda your govt. shoved down your throat wasn't all true. rotflmao.

I'm asking in the context of this North American herd ideology - that is the topic.

The Americans and Canadians have gotten along well in the cattle business for a couple centuries, up until a few years ago. Open trade prevailed and the system worked well. Why can't this still be the case?

 

[Sandhusker]

you're right - go buy your oil from osama. he's waiting to take your call. if you're serious that there's nothing canada has that you need you better take a look at trade stats. the canada - usa trading relationship is the largest in the world. you should travel a little further from home and you'd find out all that propaganda your govt. shoved down your throat wasn't all true. rotflmao.

I'm asking in the context of this North American herd ideology - that is the topic.

The Americans and Canadians have gotten along well in the cattle business for a couple centuries, up until a few years ago. Open trade prevailed and the system worked well. Why can't this still be the case?

You're right, and there was none of this North American herd nonsense. It was them and us. I think we're going off on another tangent. I've got no problem with trade as long is it is safe and legal. What I'm trying to get through is this dangerous North American herd ideology. It can't work unless you want an EU type of deal like W does. How many Canadian producers are going belly up because of it right now? I mean, geeeeeze, what does it take to recognize a pig is a pig?

 

[Anonymous]

you're right - go buy your oil from osama. he's waiting to take your call. if you're serious that there's nothing canada has that you need you better take a look at trade stats. the canada - usa trading relationship is the largest in the world. you should travel a little further from home and you'd find out all that propaganda your govt. shoved down your throat wasn't all true. rotflmao.

I'm asking in the context of this North American herd ideology - that is the topic.

The Americans and Canadians have gotten along well in the cattle business for a couple centuries, up until a few years ago. Open trade prevailed and the system worked well. Why can't this still be the case?

Government-managed trade, not free trade

Milton Friedman, economic advisor to Presidents Nixon and Reagan has argued that the North American Free Trade Agreement is actually not a "free trade" agreement, but rather is government managed trade. The essence of this criticism is that such trade agreements don't promote free trade, they inhibit it by implementing another level of bureaucracy on top of national governments. This can not only have a detrimental effect on trade, it results in an erosion of sovereignty for all nations involved and causes citizens and governments to be bound by decisions made by an unelected international body.

 

[don]

oh so now you're going to isolate the cattle sector from all the rest of the trade issues. makes sense; kind of like your argument that trade agreements are unconstitutional. lol. i really think r-calf should fund your law degree by night school. then you could be in-house legal counsel. get into the real world. ben offers a solution that might work; you have these grade school fantasies and make up rules to argue by so that you might have a chance to win. the longer you go on the more irrelevant become your ideas.

 

[Sandhusker]

oh so now you're going to isolate the cattle sector from all the rest of the trade issues. makes sense; kind of like your argument that trade agreements are unconstitutional. lol. i really think r-calf should fund your law degree by night school. then you could be in-house legal counsel. get into the real world. ben offers a solution that might work; you have these grade school fantasies and make up rules to argue by so that you might have a chance to win. the longer you go on the more irrelevant become your ideas.

What is it with you that you can't comprehend a simple topic? I'm talking about a dangerous ideology that is already proven to be a pig. I'm not making any comments on trade per se.

I've never ever said that trade agreements are unconstitutional. Your comprehension matches your punctuation.

 

[don]

yawn.

 

[Kato]

Ask a simple question, get a whole lot of answers.

Working together sounds like the best start to me. I think there are enough sensible people on both sides of the border to realize that there is strength in numbers, and that big business has perfected the divide and conquer technique of maintaining cheap suppliers. How better to get a good cheap supply than to sic 'em on each other and watch them drive each other down.

We are not each other's enemies. By some being brainwashed into thinking we are, more and more power is being put into big business hands, and that is where the real problem lies.

 

[Ben Roberts]

Ben, "Mrs. Greg, you are correct, it won't fly here, too many protectionist R-CALF members on here that can't see the forest for the trees. R-CALF can't/won't see that Canada, is one country that can help us immediately, instead of hurting us. Australia, would be the next."

What can we do with Canada that we can't do without them?

Well I guess that question has already been answered!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

I'm serious. This is not an anti-Canada schpeel, just a straight question. Why do we need Canada? Exactly what is it that we need them for that we can't do ourselves?

PUT THE PRODUCERS IN CONTROL, OF THE NORTH AMERICAN CATTLE INDUSTRY

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[HAY MAKER]

Well I guess that question has already been answered!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

I'm serious. This is not an anti-Canada schpeel, just a straight question. Why do we need Canada? Exactly what is it that we need them for that we can't do ourselves?

[b

]PUT THE PRODUCERS IN CONTROL, OF THE NORTH AMERICAN CATTLE INDUSTRY[/b]

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

We are working on that now..........without canadas help.............good luck

 

[Sandhusker]

Well I guess that question has already been answered!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

I'm serious. This is not an anti-Canada schpeel, just a straight question. Why do we need Canada? Exactly what is it that we need them for that we can't do ourselves?

PUT THE PRODUCERS IN CONTROL, OF THE NORTH AMERICAN CATTLE INDUSTRY

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Why would we want a "North American" industry in place of our own industries? I don't understand why anybody other than a big packer or North American Union proponent would advocate such a thing.

Soapweed mentioned that we had trade for years and everything was fine. He's right - but that was BEFORE the NA deal got started. We've been led into a NA mentality and look where it got us;

It has made us prioritize trade over safety. In order to keep the spirit of NA, we have to ignore and reverse science based policy on herd health and consumer safety. Instead of making Canada follow our rules, we change our rules. Weren't those rules in place for a reason?

We're losing access to markets because we insist on being joined at the hip with Canada in some partnership that pits US producers against Canadain producers and only benefits the US multi-national packers.

The "North American" herd has had worse effects for Canadians. They just got taken to their knees because of their dependency on our markets. It's happened before, it'll happen again because no matter how you want to put our herds together on paper, we're still in different countries and blood is always thicker than water.

This NA concept is keeping them from opening up other markets overseas. That keeps them dependant on one country that already taught them a lesson (if they're smart enough to learn it), and it keeps their cattle and beef available as a tool for our packers to use against us.

Here's the question I should of asked; What can a "North American Herd" do for producers on either side of the border that keeping us seperate - as we were for 200 years - can't do?

The "North American Cattle Industry" path has already put how many Canadian producers out of business?

 

[PORKER]

If both dollars were exactly the same not counting Mexico, the thought process would be to stop using the Canadian herd as a price lever.Problem is laws are different in each country,subsidies don't match ,and the packers want only saleable cheap beef. Overseas beef is shipped into both countries now, the basic reason is some exporter's has a lower price because of currency exchange rate from tin buck too .

 

[Tex]

If both dollars were exactly the same not counting Mexico, the thought process would be to stop using the Canadian herd as a price lever.Problem is laws are different in each country,subsidies don't match ,and the packers want only saleable cheap beef. Overseas beef is shipped into both countries now, the basic reason is some exporter's has a lower price because of currency exchange rate from tin buck too .

You got it porker!!! :clap:

 

[Ben Roberts]

If both dollars were exactly the same not counting Mexico, the thought process would be to stop using the Canadian herd as a price lever.Problem is laws are different in each country,subsidies don't match ,and the packers want only saleable cheap beef. Overseas beef is shipped into both countries now, the basic reason is some exporter's has a lower price because of currency exchange rate from tin buck too .

You got it porker!!! :clap:

Do you guys know anything, about beef imports? If you really knew how it worked. Your comments would not be the same!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Tex]

If both dollars were exactly the same not counting Mexico, the thought process would be to stop using the Canadian herd as a price lever.Problem is laws are different in each country,subsidies don't match ,and the packers want only saleable cheap beef. Overseas beef is shipped into both countries now, the basic reason is some exporter's has a lower price because of currency exchange rate from tin buck too .

You got it porker!!! :clap:

Do you guys know anything, about beef imports? If you really knew how it worked. Your comments would not be the same!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Please inform us, Ben. I am all ears.

 

[HAY MAKER]

uh oh Ben,time for lesson 2............repeat canadian captive supply over and over until it sticks.
The canadians are owned lock stock and barrel by packers and as long as the cca and ssga is permeated with packer advocates like BMr they stand little chance of change.
good luck