hypocritexposer
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Check into the salaries they pay their executives, that will be your first stop.!
Chicago hospital with 18-19 executives making over $300,000?
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Check into the salaries they pay their executives, that will be your first stop.!
Chicago hospital with 18-19 executives making over $300,000?
per
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To aim for a Canadian system is the wrong direction irregardless of the issues in your system. Our ER is clogged with both emergencies and non emergencies but the reason the runny noses are there is because there aren't any General Practitioners to look at them. You couldn't get an appointment with a GP without a ten year history with one to save you soul. Just take a step back when trying to fix your system and try to copy or create one that works, not one that has the same stuff in a different pile.
Just by way of example, I had a 20 something year old working here that tore his ACL. Young, good worker, willing, but no longer able. One year to get to see the right kind of Dr. to look at it. Finally after bucking the system and finding folks to pull the right strings we got him to a private clinic to get it fixed on our dime. (we don't have these private clinics officially but if you go to a more remote hospital, in this case Lethbridge, and pay a fee, que jumping can exist) Another year would have been required in the public system. That is the more robust than Sask. system in Alberta.
Fix your system, yes. Copy ours, no.
Just by way of example, I had a 20 something year old working here that tore his ACL. Young, good worker, willing, but no longer able. One year to get to see the right kind of Dr. to look at it. Finally after bucking the system and finding folks to pull the right strings we got him to a private clinic to get it fixed on our dime. (we don't have these private clinics officially but if you go to a more remote hospital, in this case Lethbridge, and pay a fee, que jumping can exist) Another year would have been required in the public system. That is the more robust than Sask. system in Alberta.
Fix your system, yes. Copy ours, no.
We're pretty lucky where we are,our small county has seven Dr's so its not too bad to get in plus these Dr's seem to have access to specialists.But I do know its getting worse out there to get into a GP or a specialist. I believe there's a reason we aren't{Albertans} paying priemiums anymore,and we now have a superboard healthunit I truly think your gonna see more and more private clinics popping up. I'd like to see user fees implemented for the abusers and private clinics for the ones that want that type of access.Its gonna get interesting for all of us in and out of the health process!per said:
Steve
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Alice
negotiating with the insurance company is like trying to negotiate with the russians..
Every concession the hospital gives is a new lower starting point..
if the hospital needs $26.50 to cover the cost of an IV, the labor to put it in, training and overhead, since most are non-profits they can't factor in profit, so they start already losing money.
the insurance will start a negotiation when a contract is well past expiring, the insurance offers 19.87 for the cost of the IV, the labor and half the training. all the while withholding payment to the hospital.
if the hospital accepts the terms, rest assured the insurance will only offer to pay for the cost of the IV and half the labor next time..
as their only concern is lowering the their payout costs..
and the insurance company's next point will be that a the janitor could change the IV as he mops the floor..
so the only pressure the hospital has is in charging the patient, who is paying the insurance policy, and hope they can get the insurance company to pay up.. or lose their insurance business..
negotiating with the insurance company is like trying to negotiate with the russians..
Every concession the hospital gives is a new lower starting point..
if the hospital needs $26.50 to cover the cost of an IV, the labor to put it in, training and overhead, since most are non-profits they can't factor in profit, so they start already losing money.
the insurance will start a negotiation when a contract is well past expiring, the insurance offers 19.87 for the cost of the IV, the labor and half the training. all the while withholding payment to the hospital.
if the hospital accepts the terms, rest assured the insurance will only offer to pay for the cost of the IV and half the labor next time..
as their only concern is lowering the their payout costs..
and the insurance company's next point will be that a the janitor could change the IV as he mops the floor..
so the only pressure the hospital has is in charging the patient, who is paying the insurance policy, and hope they can get the insurance company to pay up.. or lose their insurance business..
again, I don't disagree, Steve. I worked for a health insurance company. The lengths they went to to deny benefits was criminal, in my mind. I was told by an adjuster, "We don't have a leg to stand on, but we can drag it out until the patient and hospital just give up." And this practice was the norm.
Alice
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kolanuraven said:Tam said:Oldtimer said:Just seems awful coincidental that after a 2 year sabbatical from the whole website- and Big Muddies never posting in Political Bull -- all of a sudden we get a President that has spoken out in favor of Truth In Labeling- M-COOL- supporting American workers and products over imports- about much more rigid testing/inpection of imported food products-- and VIOLA-- out of the blue comes the missing Tam-- and Big Muddy decides he likes American politics too....
Hell of a Coincidence....
I guess I'm just too suspicious of peoples motives- eh :???: :wink: :lol: :lol:
Gee If I want to discuss those issues I guess I would be over on Bull Session. :roll: But UNLIKE YOU OLDTIMER I have a problem with the US President refusing to prove he has a right to be the US PRESIDENT. I also have a problem with the direction he is headed because I have lived in a Liberal/ Democrat run country I know what can happen if the Liberals are allowed to run amuck. Since Political issues are to be discussed on Political Bull , I'm posting where those issues should be discussed :roll:
BTW all three of my children are as much US citizen as I am as they were born in the US. WHY? Because the Canadian health care system, This is the same kind of system you are headed for, made it impossible to have a baby delivered within hundred miles of where we live. The closest hospital able to deliver a baby 20 to 30 years ago was in the US. And If we had a child now we would be paying the full bill because our universal health care is cutting out paying for anything that doesn't happen within the province you live in, even though there are waiting list for every thing medical in Sask. A 4 hour wait in emergency rooms because of a doctor and nurse shortage. Let the good times roll with a universal Health care system in the US.
Soooo...you wanna bad mouth our 'system'...but then you run over the border for your medical assistance?
Fix your own system before you go about saving the world why don't ya, eh????
Do you mean by personally campaigning to oust the Democrats from our Provincal government and holding the now Majority conservative government's feet to the fire when I see them heading in the wrong direction And voting to oust the Liberals from Ottawa and holding the Now Conservative Government in Ottawa accountable? Did and DO :wink:
The truth is what the Liberal and Dems have done to our country can't be fixed over night and I will, like I have in the past, work to make sure the Conservative Government we now have is in office in both Sask and Ottawa are in long enough to make a difference.
In the mean time if I see my home country the country where my family still lives headed down the same path Canada has been lead down by the Libs and Dems, I see it as my job to warn you what is ahead.
Ask yourselves If you drove down a road and it was full of pot holes and the bridge was out, would you not try to stop the next car that contains your neighbors and family members and warn them not to go down the same road. Well Canada's Liberal/Democrat run system is Chucked full of pot holes and the brigde well. :???:
We can only hope the Conservative government we now have can fill a few pot holes and repair the bridge before the Libs and Democrat coalition backed by a separatist party and bias media :roll: undemocratically steal back power. :x
backhoeboogie
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Tam said:
That is a large part of our problem. When someone tells you they have no insurance coverage, find out how they voted
Do we have a trend here with those who want everyone else to pay their way
If any of you think the US system is misused now, you wait you haven't seen anything yet.
Our Department of Health ran a check on our system once. They sent out letters to everyone that had supposedly been seen by a docter in the previous year. They found, Docters were billing the government for office visits on behalf of a patient they had not seen. Doctors were cheating the government run system because they didn't think the government would ever check to see if they had actually seen the person they were billing them for. Docters got caught billing for office visits when a person so much as called their office.
Besides that when you have a government run system and nothing comes out of the persons pocket you have people tying up docters time demanding things that they don't need, like prescription drugs for colds. One study done show where millions of dollars were spent every year on drugs for colds and millions more was spent on drugs that were turn around and sold on the black market. People don't need these drugs but hey they are free and in some cases a good way to make a buck.
These are only a few of the down falls of a universal publicly funded health care system, as they are ripe for fraud. It is because of the many cases of undetected fraud that the government can't afford to pay docters and nurses enough to keep them on the job which has lead to the waiting lists not only in emergency rooms but for things like, 22 months for an MRI in Sask. and a month to six weeks for cancer treatment. Canada's health care system was estimated to cost us $179.9 billion in 2008 that is over $5000 per person. Think about what it will cost the US. So think about where you are headed before it is to late, as once you start done that road you will be prying free health care out of the hands of those that abuse it the most.
Our Department of Health ran a check on our system once. They sent out letters to everyone that had supposedly been seen by a docter in the previous year. They found, Docters were billing the government for office visits on behalf of a patient they had not seen. Doctors were cheating the government run system because they didn't think the government would ever check to see if they had actually seen the person they were billing them for. Docters got caught billing for office visits when a person so much as called their office.
Besides that when you have a government run system and nothing comes out of the persons pocket you have people tying up docters time demanding things that they don't need, like prescription drugs for colds. One study done show where millions of dollars were spent every year on drugs for colds and millions more was spent on drugs that were turn around and sold on the black market. People don't need these drugs but hey they are free and in some cases a good way to make a buck.
These are only a few of the down falls of a universal publicly funded health care system, as they are ripe for fraud. It is because of the many cases of undetected fraud that the government can't afford to pay docters and nurses enough to keep them on the job which has lead to the waiting lists not only in emergency rooms but for things like, 22 months for an MRI in Sask. and a month to six weeks for cancer treatment. Canada's health care system was estimated to cost us $179.9 billion in 2008 that is over $5000 per person. Think about what it will cost the US. So think about where you are headed before it is to late, as once you start done that road you will be prying free health care out of the hands of those that abuse it the most.
Mrs.Greg said:
First how many years has Alberta been under Conservative rule? :wink:
Sask has been suggesting a system like Alberta's but no go with a Democrat government. I hope the Sask Party will at least look at the Alberta System now. It will be a fight but I think private clinics and user fees may be the only way out. Let those that are willing to pay and can afford to pay, pay which will open up the public system. And the user fees might stop those running to the doctors for colds which will open the public system up to those that really needs a doctor.
per
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Tam said:
Alberta just hired a new CEO for the health superboard. He is from Australia and was instrumental in creating their hybrid system. There are large expectations and dare I say, Hope.
Hmmmm,I'm not sure I remember Alta . not being Conservative,and I'm OLD!!Tam said:
The Sask. party,I've tried reading about them not much out there...do they lean Conservative or more Liberal? I really feel the user fees and private clinics are going to have to happen and soon. There's nothing that bugs me more then a congested emerg room full of people coughin and sneezin...STAY HOME and do what yur mama taught ya..... :wink:
If only there was a Dr.House in every emerg ...... :twisted:
This past summer on CSpan they had Senate hearings on nationalized health insurance. They showed a movie of how the care was conducted in other countries.... China, Germany, Canada, Europe, etc........
One example shown was that China paid $75,000 for a MRI machine. THE ONLY reason they were able to purchase it for that amount is because the company who made it, sold it in the USA for $300,000 and because the USA made up the difference they could sell it to China for that.
Example after example, including prescription drugs, showed that the USA is SUBSIDIZING all other countries health care because its sold in the USA at 3 to 10 x more in price so they can lower it to other countries.
So its no wonder healthcare costs are so exorbitant here. We're paying for all the other countries as well.
The senator who conducted the talk said that its a problem and the US needs to be aware and someone asked the question well what would happen to these other countries if the US had nationalized healthcare and he said other countries then have to pay their share of medical costs.
One example shown was that China paid $75,000 for a MRI machine. THE ONLY reason they were able to purchase it for that amount is because the company who made it, sold it in the USA for $300,000 and because the USA made up the difference they could sell it to China for that.
Example after example, including prescription drugs, showed that the USA is SUBSIDIZING all other countries health care because its sold in the USA at 3 to 10 x more in price so they can lower it to other countries.
So its no wonder healthcare costs are so exorbitant here. We're paying for all the other countries as well.
The senator who conducted the talk said that its a problem and the US needs to be aware and someone asked the question well what would happen to these other countries if the US had nationalized healthcare and he said other countries then have to pay their share of medical costs.
Mrs.Greg said:
The Sask Party are the new Conservative party in Sask. The leader of the Liberal party tried running in our area in a by-election, he lost so bad he didn't even take his road signs down before slinking back to his home in Saskatoon to lick his wounds . And he took second ahead of the NDP candidate. :wink:
And I hear you on the sniffles but that is what happens when the person doesn't have to pay anything out of pocket. :roll:
I'll have you know Canada doesn't pay $75,000 for a MRI machine,I know this because our county just raised over $290,000 for one....DON"T believe everything YOU read MoGAL,esp what You read!!Did you ever think the wages your healthcare staff is getting maybe part of your high costs,because I know its hard to keep healthcare workers in Canada and outta the US. And I KNOW we're getting paid pretty dang GOOD!!MoGal said:
PS you shoulda figured that out when they called Europe a country..... :roll: :wink:
Mrs Greg: I don't remember all the countries they showed.... Germany and England and maybe France (perhaps I should have separated those out instead of saying Europe) ....... but they showed an instance in every country ..... and CSPAN shows the house and senate doings..... I have no reason to believe it was a hocus pocus show.
hypocritexposer
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That's tuff, having to put off buying a new computer, you should just buy one, help out the economy.
Or, you could just keep on using the other 2 computers you have access to.
hypocritexposer
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Nope, doesn't everybody?