Repackaging Meat

[cedardell]

It has come to my attention that with the coming of vaccume packaging meat can be repackaged several times. For instance meat can come to a retailer in a box of vaccume packaged wholesale cuts. He then has a choice of breaking down those wholesale cuts to retail cuts and packaging those cuts for his meat counter or simply selling wholesale cuts as is at retail prices. The problem is that if the meat is not sold it can be repackaged with a vaccume package and try again thus doubling the shelf life. If this meat is still not sold it can be frozen sent elsewhere and try again. Some of it will deteriate a little under these circumstances thus really undermining the original guality of the meat. I have purchased meat in vaccume packing that was over six weeks old and it wasn't too bad, but I had to ask a lot of questions to find out how old it was. I think probably it would be more beneficial to consumers if the kill date was required on the package. The meat men just smile and say aged meat is the best and this is true to a point. But I have also purchased vaccume packaged meat at Sam's that was just plain rotten.

 

[PORKER]

Well if you want truth in labeling the www.scoringag.com meat data system is for you.Every step is a point to point traceback of time and dates of handling from field to fork. Link; http://www.scoringag.com/Public/docs/packingplant_solution_model.pdf

 

[mrj]

cedardell, did you return that spoiled beef to Sams Club? I'm curious as to how they would handle it, since I've never had to return anything purchased there.

I was in the Rapid City, SD Sams' yesterday. Their meat case looks great. All the beef was USDA Choice labeled. Except for hamburger, which I assume isn't labeled in that manner, probably being from mixed grades of beef. Right, or wrong? They do carry 80% and 90% lean hamburger. It looked great.

MRJ

 

[PORKER]

Except for hamburger, which I assume isn't labeled in that manner, probably being from mixed grades of beef.

The only TRACEBACK system that knows is because ScoringAg has a commingling system built into the internal database according to press releases.

 

[cedardell]

I think probably the problem was at our local Sam's in Naperville, IL. A close friend of mine was in the store and she said she stood there while two people she assumed were inspectors literally threw packages of beef on the floor and broke them open splattering blood all over. This was in the middle of the day in front of customers. So I guess I wasn't the only one to complain. We didn't take it back, but I told the meat man about it and he gave us another package which was alright. All I'm trying to say is that I think some vaccum packaged meat is either kept to long or wasn't good in the first place. We have had some trouble from time to time with vaccum packaged meat. In our case it's been Pork, not beef.

 

[agman]

It has come to my attention that with the coming of vaccume packaging meat can be repackaged several times. For instance meat can come to a retailer in a box of vaccume packaged wholesale cuts. He then has a choice of breaking down those wholesale cuts to retail cuts and packaging those cuts for his meat counter or simply selling wholesale cuts as is at retail prices. The problem is that if the meat is not sold it can be repackaged with a vaccume package and try again thus doubling the shelf life. If this meat is still not sold it can be frozen sent elsewhere and try again. Some of it will deteriate a little under these circumstances thus really undermining the original guality of the meat. I have purchased meat in vaccume packing that was over six weeks old and it wasn't too bad, but I had to ask a lot of questions to find out how old it was. I think probably it would be more beneficial to consumers if the kill date was required on the package. The meat men just smile and say aged meat is the best and this is true to a point. But I have also
purchased vaccume packaged meat at Sam's that was just plain rotten.

....and who or what might your information sources be?

Once a cyrovac is opened the meat is processed into individual cuts. It is not re-cryovaced. It does occur when retail sales are slow that cryovaced meat from the retail warehouse, which was never shipped into stores for sales, is resold into the distribution network and ends up in the hands of HR&I users at severe discounts. This occurs as retailers have strict guidelines for product dates. Most retailers will not accept cryovaced meat with a process date over 14 days old.

There is nothing wrong with the product at all as cyrovaced meat, if held at the proper temperature, has a very long shelf life. I just got calls from a friend and a rancher for whom I aged cryovaced choice rib-eyes for a period of five weeks. They said it was the most tender and flavorful beef they have ever eaten. One is 65 while the other individual is 72 years old. This was the first experience at "wet aged" beef. They both said it was superior to any dry-aged beef they have had in the past.

 

[Econ101]

The pork loin that I bought that had fly eggs in it was repackaged whole pork loin. It was also marinated.

Agman is it industry practice to take this meat and repackage it after the original expiration date?

How do you suppose fly eggs got into it (I call them fly eggs but they were really the fly during pupation) if it was not repackaged?

The meat was WHOLE pork loin, not cut into individual pieces.

 

[agman]

The pork loin that I bought that had fly eggs in it was repackaged whole pork loin. It was also marinated.

Agman is it industry practice to take this meat and repackage it after the original expiration date?

How do you suppose fly eggs got into it (I call them fly eggs but they were really the fly during pupation) if it was not repackaged?

The meat was WHOLE pork loin, not cut into individual pieces.

Why should I or anyone believe what you have to say? Is it not possible that the claimed fly eggs were present at the initial packaging? Did you return the product?

I am unaware of any industry practice to repackage out-of-date cyrovaced product.

 

[Econ101]

The pork loin that I bought that had fly eggs in it was repackaged whole pork loin. It was also marinated.

Agman is it industry practice to take this meat and repackage it after the original expiration date?

How do you suppose fly eggs got into it (I call them fly eggs but they were really the fly during pupation) if it was not repackaged?

The meat was WHOLE pork loin, not cut into individual pieces.

Why should I or anyone believe what you have to say? Is it not possible that the claimed fly eggs were present at the initial packaging? Did you return the product?

I am unaware of any industry practice to repackage out-of-date cyrovaced product.

They could have been present in the initial packaging. I took the marinated clue that it was repackaged.

No I didn't take it back. I threw it out. I don't usually shop at that store and was just on my way back from another town. I will never go to that store or its chain stores again. I would suppose this would be the same thing most people would do. I don't like carrying rotten meat back to the store because usually I just don't have time or want to keep the smelly stuff until I have time to go back. I might just do it if it happens again.

They may have sell it or smell it to me but they lost me as a customer forever.

 

[Jason]

These were the "fly eggs" that turned out to be pepper, now they have changed back to "fly eggs". Good magic trick.

 

[Econ101]

These were the "fly eggs" that turned out to be pepper, now they have changed back to "fly eggs". Good magic trick.

Jason, why did you say that they turned out to be pepper? Where did you get that from?

Your imagination is working overtime tonight.

 

[agman]

The pork loin that I bought that had fly eggs in it was repackaged whole pork loin. It was also marinated.

Agman is it industry practice to take this meat and repackage it after the original expiration date?

How do you suppose fly eggs got into it (I call them fly eggs but they were really the fly during pupation) if it was not repackaged?

The meat was WHOLE pork loin, not cut into individual pieces.

Why should I or anyone believe what you have to say? Is it not possible that the claimed fly eggs were present at the initial packaging? Did you return the product?

I am unaware of any industry practice to repackage out-of-date cyrovaced product.

They could have been present in the initial packaging. I took the marinated clue that it was repackaged.

No I didn't take it back. I threw it out. I don't usually shop at that store and was just on my way back from another town. I will never go to that store or its chain stores again. I would suppose this would be the same thing most people would do. I don't like carrying rotten meat back to the store because usually I just don't have time or want to keep the smelly stuff until I have time to go back. I might just do it if it happens again.

They may have sell it or smell it to me but they lost me as a customer forever.

In all fairness there is a difference between marinated and cryovaced product. Marinated product is fresh product and is not repackaged nor is cryovaced product repackaged.

Question, was this product marinated in and by the store? If so that is a different situation than added value product marinated and shipped direct from the packer. Please clarify for the readers. Just a note, I know of no stores that have cryovac processing capability in-store. What do you consider as cryovac?

 

[Econ101]

Why should I or anyone believe what you have to say? Is it not possible that the claimed fly eggs were present at the initial packaging? Did you return the product?

I am unaware of any industry practice to repackage out-of-date cyrovaced product.

They could have been present in the initial packaging. I took the marinated clue that it was repackaged.

No I didn't take it back. I threw it out. I don't usually shop at that store and was just on my way back from another town. I will never go to that store or its chain stores again. I would suppose this would be the same thing most people would do. I don't like carrying rotten meat back to the store because usually I just don't have time or want to keep the smelly stuff until I have time to go back. I might just do it if it happens again.

They may have sell it or smell it to me but they lost me as a customer forever.

In all fairness there is a difference between marinated and cryovaced product. Marinated product is fresh product and is not repackaged nor is cryovaced product repackaged.

Question, was this product marinated in and by the store? If so that is a different situation than added value product marinated and shipped direct from the packer. Please clarify for the readers. Just a note, I know of no stores that have cryovac processing capability in-store. What do you consider as cryovac?

It was in one of those vacuum sealed packages whether that fits your definition or not, I do not know. It did not have a lot of marinade in it. I would imagine that the meat was not repackaged by the store but by someone in the meat supply chain. It could have been a rogue meat dealer. They are out there. To the best of my memory the label was not of one of the major packers (I didn't recognize the brand as one of the major packer brands and it wasn't the store brand) so I doubt it came from one of the major packers directly. It was probably you sell it or smell meat that was too old and then repackaged in a marinade and sold.

 

[Anonymous]

Fly eggs in packaged beef is just one more of Conman's many lies. Flies don't blow eggs into meat unless it's rotten. That's how stupid this idiot really is.


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Fly eggs in packaged beef is just one more of Conman's many lies. Flies don't blow eggs into meat unless it's rotten. That's how stupid this idiot really is.


~SH~

SH get your facts straight again. I said they were pupae. One could call them eggs, and it is often done, but pupae are the result of flies laying eggs, those eggs hatching, the larvae growing and then the larvae encasing themselves in a shell ready to transform into flies.

Your ignorance is just overwhelming this morning, as always.

 

[Anonymous]

Conman (May 8 10:44AM): "The pork loin that I bought that had fly eggs in it was repackaged whole pork loin."

Conman (May 10 8:03AM): "I said they were pupae. One could call them eggs, and it is often done, but pupae are the result of flies laying eggs, those eggs hatching, the larvae growing and then the larvae encasing themselves in a shell ready to transform into flies."

Bwahahaha!

Dance circus chicken, DANCE!

They weren't either you idiot. If they were pupae THEY STILL WOULD HAVE COME FROM EGGS THAT WERE BLOWN IN ROTTEN MEAT.

It didn't happen just like your phone tap didn't happen. You are a complete idiot and compulsive liar and you prove it with every post you make.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Conman (May 8 10:44AM): "The pork loin that I bought that had fly eggs in it was repackaged whole pork loin."

Conman (May 10 8:03AM): "I said they were pupae. One could call them eggs, and it is often done, but pupae are the result of flies laying eggs, those eggs hatching, the larvae growing and then the larvae encasing themselves in a shell ready to transform into flies."

Bwahahaha!

Dance circus chicken, DANCE!

They weren't either you idiot. If they were pupae THEY STILL WOULD HAVE COME FROM EGGS THAT WERE BLOWN IN ROTTEN MEAT.

It didn't happen just like your phone tap didn't happen. You are a complete idiot and compulsive liar and you prove it with every post you make.


~SH~

It really makes a big difference, doesn't it, SH. :roll: One is acceptable to the consumer and one is not. :roll:

 

[Econ101]

Conman (May 8 10:44AM): "The pork loin that I bought that had fly eggs in it was repackaged whole pork loin."

Conman (May 10 8:03AM): "I said they were pupae. One could call them eggs, and it is often done, but pupae are the result of flies laying eggs, those eggs hatching, the larvae growing and then the larvae encasing themselves in a shell ready to transform into flies."

Bwahahaha!

Dance circus chicken, DANCE!

They weren't either you idiot. If they were pupae THEY STILL WOULD HAVE COME FROM EGGS THAT WERE BLOWN IN ROTTEN MEAT.

It didn't happen just like your phone tap didn't happen. You are a complete idiot and compulsive liar and you prove it with every post you make.


~SH~

SH, I already went over this with you once before. You continually do not get it right. Is every day a "new day" to you? Do you ever learn anything?

You soooo remind me of a 5 year old child's mind.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh how sweet!

Now little Sandcheska is even defending Conman on finding fly eggs, no pupae, no fly eggs, no pupae, in his pork loins.

I'm so glad you two have eachother for moral support with your factually void positions.


~SH~

 

[cedardell]

I think Agman is correct. I don't think it is possible to to repackage cryovaced meat because once oxygen hits it it's shelf life is limited. I think I confused marinated packageing with vaccum packaging. I purchace meat once in a while from a retail outlet of a wholesale distribiutor. He was the one that told me that after a certain date the vaccum packaged meat was frozen and resold. There is probably nothing wrong with this practise as long as the dates are adhered to. The meat I had problems with was cryovaced wholsale cuts. These particular packages didn't have a freshness date or a grade on them. They could have been bad from the start, but I'd like to have that info on the package when I buy it. Who wants to go to a computer and hunt it up before yoiu buy some meat?