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AngusCowBoy

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What do you guys think about this bull as I am thinking about baseing are angus herd around mainly him. To see his video scroll down to where it says Chisum and click the video.


http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=BYBREED&Breed=Angus&lang=EN
 
FWIW - While I like his type quite a bit, he has too much power, too much milk, not enough marbling, not enough CE, and too low $EN for how we run cows. :D
 
i like this one better if you are wanting to build a cowherd..

http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=DETAIL&code=1AN01000&lang=EN
 
With a calving ease direct score of 3 and a birth weight over 4 lbs. on that last one, I don't suppose I'd build a cow herd around him. Just my taste is all I'm referring to here. I do however, like a lot of other things about that bull.

Here's a bull that I think made nice cows:

http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.php?option=com_php&Itemid=114&id=148&breed=Angus

Yeah, I know his growth numbers don't compare in today's figures, but he's 15 years old. Proven do get the job done thousands of times over. :)

HP
 
So on the Chisum bull. I concur that he has too much growth performance for me, in terms of making cows, too much milk for my country, way below breed average for marbling. So I agree with RSL on most all points. Love the look of that bull, though. Good luck with your selection.
 
To answer your specific question, Chisum is just a little too nasty made for me to want to see in my cow herd.
 
http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.php?option=com_php&Itemid=114&id=121&breed=Angus
I havent seen many "ideal" type New Day daughters, most are too "new trendy" for me and look at the mature weights on New Day and Density, how big are their daughters going to be???? I am with High Plains, I love my BAR Ext daughters for our country. According to the milk EPD you would think they have too much milk but I beg to differ. We have over 30 BAR EXT daughters in production and they are superb, I dont think it is so much that they milk at an exceedingly high level at any certain time of lactation but extended length of peak lactation. You look at calves in August and September and the bloomiest calves are always on BAR EXT daughters. While the other cows are starting to dry up the BAR EXTs just keep on milking. The link I have attached is for Blevins Raindance, bred by the same outfit that bred BAR EXT. His milk EPD would make you think they are drier than popcorn farts but we sure havent had any problems and have calved well over 30 Raindance daughters and love them as well. If these studs were smart, they would haunt the Blevins program for the next great maternal herdsire but Blevins is just too bluecollar and profit minded, they dont have all the bling and hype and it seems to me that is what the studs are after - all of em. Hell, Raindance didnt even make the new catalog - what a shame!
 
Ha! I didn't even realize that BAR EXT had such a high milk number! I'm sorta talking out of both sides of my mouth here! No, I don't think that a +37 is acceptable, but the bull has long proven himself to make great cows so I just quit looking at his EPDs a long time ago. That's funny, funny stuff. :shock: If that milk EPD was impacting his daughters then they'd have fallen off the map a long time ago. Hasn't happened and won't happen on many commercial hard-grass outfits across this region.

But anyway, I digress... :gag:
 
High Plains said:
So on the Chisum bull. I concur that he has too much growth performance for me, in terms of making cows, too much milk for my country, way below breed average for marbling. So I agree with RSL on most all points. Love the look of that bull, though. Good luck with your selection.
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I pretty much agree...

Anguscowboy-- a bull you may want to look at-- that is being touted and used by both the performance/carcass folks and the lower input/more maternal breeders is Cole Creek Black Cedar 46P # 14496765 ...

http://www.universalsemensales.com/detail_angus.php?angus_id=373


Comes from a herd with 50+ years breeding for maternal- and is getting a lot of daughters and granddaughters on the ground now that are showing they could be something to build a herd around...Looks like a good average middle of the road bull that could keep you out of trouble with extremes...
 
That company has really trying to promote Chisum last year also. Primarly becasue the other companys do not have anything with similuar breeding for people to select so they think they have the market cornored. Also the ranch that rasied him had plenty of cows to get acc built up, on top of the 50 K promotion deal . They way I uuderstood the bull was he is from a new name herd, young men with young familys, the bull himself was out of their smaller calving ease bull and out of a taller type of cow.

This Black Ceder bull is interesting also. I am intrgiued how these Pioneer sons are doing right now. Pioneer seems like a bull that is producing sons better than he is..And yes so many out their claiming the same stuff.

It took alot of nerve for the company to put Chisum on their front cover of 2011 book.....Very bold move.... how about the other bulls and other breeds in the book...
As tough as it is to get any bull in any book for a company to pick only one bull as the bull for 2011. wow
 
Hay Feeder said:
This Black Ceder bull is interesting also.
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Another tidbit on Black Cedar--I just got the Van Dyke/Dietz Family sale catalog and see that they have 20-30 Black Cedar sons or grandsons (Cole Creek Cedar Ridge 1V) sons in their this years sale....

We only have one Black Cedar granddaughter- that is due to have her first calf this spring- but so far she sure is looking good .... We do have several daughters and granddaughters of Black Cedars sire: C H Quantum 6247 #12687606- the old original "Cedar" bull-- and think they are some of the best on the place.. I talked to one of the owners the other day who said he knows of no semen left on him unless someone has some ratholed.....
 
I met the breeder of Chisum in the fall of 2009 and he is the real deal. The story goes Genex showed up to look over the sale offerings then saw chisum and it was love at first sight. He was bred in ND by Spickler ranch, I have 5 straws in the tank that was supposed to be used this year but the new handling facilities we not in place when needed.
 
His YW number is high for my liking. If you plan to keep heifers they will packing some frame. And I like a smaller milk number. But thats just me and what works around here. He has an actual 72 pound birth weight which I do like. Good luck whichever way ya go.
 
The only way to know how an AI sire will perform in your herd is to sample him. I have used Bushwacker with less then stellar success and have had great success with 004. I have a friend that used both bulls with opposite results. I can see where the milk would be a concern in most enviroments.
 
OCC Juneau 807J is a bull that i've decided to focus my cowherd around from this point forward. i bought three sons of his last spring and am excited to see those calves in April/May. IMO, Juneau has alot to offer.

http://66.232.90.197/angus4u/epd.asp?ID=1251
 
Justin said:
OCC Juneau 807J is a bull that i've decided to focus my cowherd around from this point forward. i bought three sons of his last spring and am excited to see those calves in April/May. IMO, Juneau has alot to offer.

http://bullbarn.com/angblkepd.asp?ID=1143
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I'm not a 6807 fan.... Rotsa ruck ( in my best yogi bear voice.)
 
katrina said:
Justin said:
OCC Juneau 807J is a bull that i've decided to focus my cowherd around from this point forward. i bought three sons of his last spring and am excited to see those calves in April/May. IMO, Juneau has alot to offer.

http://bullbarn.com/angblkepd.asp?ID=1143
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I'm not a 6807 fan.... Rotsa ruck ( in my best yogi bear voice.)
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ok...well, don't use him then, i guess.
 
I have never paid any attention to milk epds at all. I feel there is way to many enviroment factors, kind of year. forage and of couse the sires one is using.

As for the OCC bulls do they have enough scrotal. The scrotal is much more of a useful number for me than milk epd.

I am waiting for some discusion about the docility epd and how that works.

BTW the Spickler sale flyer came this afternoon. Those of you that want to use their bull better get that and look over the photos and bw and perfomance data. A lot of infomation and plenty of photos easy to read.
 

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