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PATB

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One of the most used bulls in the breed throws it pretty consistant so i'm sure everybody will become pretty familiar with it over the next few years.

NR Please post your thoughts on this condition and bull who is a carrier.
 
katrina said:
AR Advantage 654??? by 6807?
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Looks like several posters credit it to the old QAS Traveler 23-4-- which would mean it runs thru the bloodlines of a whole lot of cattle...
 
From my experience with 6807 and lobster claw front toes I would stay away from anything that has a double shot of 6807 in the pedigree. Unless he has perfect feet himself and you are breeding him to perfect footed cows. You never know whats lurking in the genetic shadows.
 
Are you guys telling me that some angus have bad feet??? :lol: Next you'll be trying to convince me that the sun rises in the east.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Unfortunately its more than some-but deep straw at bull sales seems to correct the defect lol.
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I went to a sale last year and walked around the building and seen a bull around the corner so I went to look. He had horrible feet. I wasnt supposed to be were I was but I am glad I seen it.
 
Ya'll really need to find better folks to buy bulls from. We attend various sales throughout the spring just cause we enjoy looking at different stock. Not one of them comes across as shady or just plain crooked. In fact, they go out of their way to stand behind their bulls and make sure the customer is happy. Honesty has a way of making return buyers. Atleast out this way. I wouldnt stay for the free lunch much less buy a bull from an outfit trying to pawn bulls with problems. :D
 
Surprising how many bull sellers have hoof trimming chutes as well.

Here is a question for you folks - I saw a sale catalog last week that boasted how tough they culled their cow herd - for bad feet, udders, temperament, everything under the sun. They calved out 1600 cows and claimed to have culled over 400 in the last year ("more than most of their competitors own" was the boast) Does that indicate great selection pressure or a program that is breeding a high proportion of poor cattle? It's not a new program, 20 years old at least. Sorry for hijacking the thread.
 
leanin' H said:
Ya'll really need to find better folks to buy bulls from. We attend various sales throughout the spring just cause we enjoy looking at different stock. Not one of them comes across as shady or just plain crooked. In fact, they go out of their way to stand behind their bulls and make sure the customer is happy. Honesty has a way of making return buyers. Atleast out this way. I wouldnt stay for the free lunch much less buy a bull from an outfit trying to pawn bulls with problems. :D
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That's well said Mr. H. There's lots of bulls for sale, you just need to find the good folks selling honest workin' bulls. Going to sales and lookin' at the animals & seeing how they are represented should give you some idea to the seller's honesty.

It's kinda like the horse sale I went to in Grover, CO a few years ago. I was one of the first arrivals at the ranch and on my way in there was a fella mounted on a horse that was sure feelin' his oats. I noted the horse's sale number and waited to see how he was represented. To my surprise and delight the full story of the horse's habits and morning escapades were described over the loud speaker for all to hear. No I didn't buy a horse that day... I thought I had one bought for $3000 and then they stopped and talked him up and the bidding left me in the dust. Fun day though.

GF, a 20 year old operation culling 25% of their herd as using it as a selling point on their bulls.... raises questions in my mind. Sorry guess I'm a hyjacker too.
 
All I know is that when I go to a bull sale I always feel like I have sucker tattooed on my forehead. The bull sellers are rubbing their hands together thinking my ship has come in :tiphat: .... So I don't go..... I feel like I get suckered enough with just buying semen...
 
There are just as many good usable bulls out there as poor ones.

One of my outspoken hobbies is to ask the owner of bad bull/s at a sale if he needs a new knife. A lot of the 8-10 cow breeders here couldn't tell you what a good animal should look like but they can sure name all the shows the great great granddaddy won. :roll:
 
Big highly promoted outfits don't automatically garantee good bulls-I'd bull a bull from a small guy who is honest than a big outfit that isn't!! Got a lesson in that a tender age I haven't forgot.
 
I say the same thing to those guys too. :wink:

I believe we will see an improvement in the quality of bulls at sales over the next few years, given the shinking cow herd and die hard cattle people left the good bulls are selling as high or higher than previous and the lower quality bulls are not selling for any price.```
There are exceptions.
 
The quickest way to start cleaning up some of the feet problem is to have people talk about it and share ai bulls that produce have produced bad feet. Information is priceless in avoiding costly breeding mistakes and the time lost.
 
PATB said:
The quickest way to start cleaning up some of the feet problem is to have people talk about it and share ai bulls that produce have produced bad feet. Information is priceless in avoiding costly breeding mistakes and the time lost.
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Exactly that's why I now consider a breeding choice to be as much a genetic risk management decision than anything else. I am starting to sound paranoid but the reality is I am. Get hung with a bunch of daughter crops that you end up culling at a very young age and it puts you back more than just one step. I bought a Daquante grand son out of an Ext cow and used him for two years and I am already culling R's and S's for bad front feet. The kicker is that the bull himself was sound and stayed sound. Good thing I didn't use him another year.
 

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