Happy: "Sandhusker and others with a brain: I attended Leo's event this past Monday and when I came back to this board, I feel I have to share a quote Leo learned from his Grandfather. This quote sums up exactly the waste of time it is to 'converse' with SH."
"Never argue with fools, they only lower you to their level and beat you with experience.""
Happy, here's another quote for you:
"TALK IS CHEAP"!
or
"When you can't back your position, you can always make a statement that creates the image that you can"
Yes, "talk is cheap" and certainly no cheaper than it is from R-CALF or their followers.
Happy, do you think it's just a coincidence that R-CALF never wins a case or supports a winning case?
Dumping case against Canada - LOST
Pickett vs. IBP - LOST
Pickett vs. IBP appealed to the 11th circuit - LOST
Injunction against USDA to stop Canadian live cattle imports - LOST
Injunction against USDA to stop Canadian live cattle imports appealed to the 9th circuit - LOST
"Heeeeeere's Johnny's" case against the checkoff - LOST
Do you think all those court cases were tainted or could you be playing for a losing team?
Yes Happy, talk is cheap. You R-CALF followers can keep following your packer and import blaming heros that tell you what you want to hear
but when the facts are on the table, R-CALF loses in court every time. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Perhaps you would like to debate these issues for the facts that support them and back your position? Do you think you'll have any better luck than the many other packer and import blamers that have came and left this site? It's obviously quite frustrating to be asked a hard question that you can't answer.
Hey what about R-CALF's prediction that cattle prices would tank when the Canadian border opened to live cattle?????
Have any explanations for why cattle prices continued to rise after the Canadian border was opened to live cattle????
I didn't think so. Most R-CALFers don't!
How smart do you think it was for R-CALF to use BSE as a convenient excuse to stop Canadian imports and risk the integrity of 80% of our U.S. beef consumption (domestic production) to stop a measely 4% - 5% of our U.S. beef consumption (Canadian live cattle imports)????
I have never seen a more stupid political move in my entire life.
Luckily for the lying R-CALF, NCBA and USDA were there to tell consumers the truth about BSE.
When Canada has BSE in their native herd R-CALF says, "Canadian beef is contaminated and unsafe" and "USDA has not gone far enough to assure the safety of our beef".
When the US has BSE in their native herd R-CALF says, "We have the safest beef in the world due to the firewalls we have in place".
I'd love for you, Leo or any of the other R-CALF followers to tell me the difference between the BSE precautionary measures taken in Canada and the BSE precautionary measures taken in the U.S. to justify your conflicting positions.
One day "USDA has not gone far enough to assure the safety of our beef" and the next day "We have the safest beef in the world". It can't be easy keeping your stories straight. The success of R-CALF depends on nobody reminding them of what they said yesterday. Bill Clinton and John Kerry had nothing on R-CALF for political double talk.
What if CNN would have went to R-CALF and said, "According to these court documents, you (R-CALF) have stated that Canada having BSE in their native herd meant their beef was contaminated. Now that we have BSE in our native herd, one can only conclude that our beef must be contaminated also".
What would R-CALF's response have been????
Well, ahhh....but....ah....well....ah......!
What a sad state of affairs it would have been had R-CALF been viewed as a credible source of information by the media regarding BSE instead of the "isolationist" organization that they are who used BSE as a convenient excuse to stop Canadian live cattle imports THAT WERE STILL COMING DOWN IN BOXES.
AND FOR WHAT??????
Did you think stabbing the same Canadian producers in the back that have bought bulls from Leo's Midland Bull Test would remove Canadian Beef from the world market???? Canada would have eventually absorbed that same portion of our export market. SOME VICTORY!!!!
No Happy, you keep nodding your head as Leo tells you packer and import blamers what you want to hear but there is good reason why you never win a court case.
Oh, and let's not forget about the infamous "M"COOL "SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE LAW". Segregate 5% of our U.S. beef consumption as imported beef so that consumers can consider it a novelty item.
One day R-CALF says, "don't consumers have a right to know where their beef comes from" and the next day they are saying "don't burden me with traceback".
So what do we have for a labeling law? A law that exempts 75% of the imported beef and prohibits the means to enforce it (Traceback) because those who insisted on consumers knowing where their beef came from only meant which COUNTRY it came from, not which State, County, or ranch.
Yup, some victory!
Now R-CALF is going to save the feeding industry from their own pricing mechanisms based on market manipulation conspiracy theories that they couldn't prove in court. Obviously the feeders do not know enough about how to market their cattle so the LMA led R-CALF is going to legislate how they can market their cattle and who can and who cannot own cattle.
"PLEASE GOVERNMENT, SAVE US FROM OURSELVES" with "M"PRICE REPORTING, "M"COOL, CAPTIVE SUPPLY REFORM ACT and the list of short sighted solutions to "PERCEIVED" problems goes on an on.
Keep following R-CALF Happy! I'd rather have the truth on my side than be accepted by the packer and import blaming fraternity.
Talk is cheap!
Oh, BTW, I loved RF's latest comment in the Stockgrowers magazine (paraphrasing): "Imports are a far greater threat to this industry than competing meats".
I couldn't believe I had actually read that.
Let me give you some cold hard facts regarding trade. In the 7 years prior to BSE being discovered in the U.S. and Canada, the U.S. was in a $1.3 "BILLION" dollar trade SURPLUS in the COMBINED trade of live cattle, beef, beef variety meats, and hides".
That amounts to about $28 more per head for producers. A large part of that dollar amount was our trade with Japan, Mexico, and South Korea prior to BSE.
R-CALF doesn't tell you that with their phony "gloom and doom" trade graph that doesn't show you what hides and beef variety meats traded at. Nah, they'd rather you believed we were in a trade deficit prior to BSE by isolating the live cattle and beef categories from the entire trade picture. If you don't think you get any value out of your hides, tongues, livers, and ofal, I'd suggest you ask for these items back the next time you sell cattle.
Now, if you take Canadian imports out of the equation, you can take that same amount out of our exports and your leader is telling you that imports have a bigger affect on our cattle prices than competing meats??????
Keep nodding your head but if you actually believe that, you'll believe anything.
Know what the Tyson/ibp's PER HEAD profits were during the Pickett era of "supposed" market manipulation were?
Per subpenoed financial records, $26 per head for the largest most efficient packer IN THEIR BEST YEARS. WHOOOPDI DO!
That's a far cry from the $400 per head that Mike Callicrate was telling you about but then, he admitted, in R-CALF's own publication, that his "BORN, RAISED, AND PROCESSED IN THE U.S." branded beef program had yet to realize a profit despite only paying a $50 per head top premium to producers and charging consumers 10% to 20% more for his beef.
Can we expect him to be the guest speaker at next year's stockgrowers convention again?
Yup, keep nodding your head as they tell you what you want to hear. FACTS AND TRUTH BE DAMNED!
If you feel real lucky you can step up to the plate and try to contradict anything I have stated here with opposing facts or you could do the typical R-CALF thing and make another discrediting statement due to your inability to back your position. So which will it be?
~SH~
