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Shove It Down Their Throats

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S. Koreans believe U.S. beef is being shoved down their throats
By Kathlyn Stone

The USDA and the beef industry are strong-arming South Korea to accept its beef even as U.S. scientists, consumer groups, trade associations, businesses, and members of Congress call for improved testing.

More concerned with food safety than economics, South Koreans yesterday expanded their protest of President Lee Myung-bak's decision to lift the 2003 ban on the importation of U.S. beef over fears of exposure to bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) or "mad cow" disease.

Mainstream media reports that about 80,000 protestors turned out in Seoul, the capitol city, on Tuesday to demonstrate against resuming imports of U.S. beef. Tuesday's protest was the culmination of a three-day protest that began June 9 with an estimated 40,000 protestors. Some clashed with police and about 40 were detained, according to local reports.

Protestors and nightly candle-light vigilers have been organizing in ever increasing numbers as concerns spread about the re-introduction of U.S. beef whose inspections are deemed inadequate in several countries, including within the United States.

Those in opposition claim the South Korean government has given in to U.S. demands in exchange for a free trade agreement between the two countries. Protestors are particularly opposed to the inclusion of beef from older cattle.

In a press conference in front of the U.S. Embassy on June 5, the Korean Federation of Trade Unions (FKTU) urged the U.S government to immediately resume full re-negotiations on U.S. beef imports.

"Eighty percent of Korean people want renegotiations on the import of U.S. beef," said Kim Dong-man, FKTU vice president. "The Voluntary Export Restraint (VER) proposed by the government is only a stop-gap measure to appease the rising public opposition to the beef deal. The only way to resolve the impasse is re-negotiation with Washington."

FKTU also demanded an apology from Alexander Vershbow, the U.S. ambassador to Korea, who has been accused of condescension in remarking that Korean people should study the science on which the beef agreement was based. On June 10 FKTU president Jang Seok-chun sent a letter to AFL-CIO president John Sweeney requesting U.S. labor solidarity with the Korean people's protest against U.S. beef imports.

President Lee Myung-bak felt compelled to apologize on national television on May 22 for not taking into account the public's concerns over mad cow disease when entering into the agreement with U.S. officials on April 18. He promised "to be more humble in approaching the needs of the people."

"I admit that the government has been lacking in efforts to sound out public opinion and try to seek people's understanding," he said in May. "I very much regret all this."

South Korean cabinet members offer to resign

The seven senior cabinet members' offers to resign over the president's unpopular agreement were interpreted by some as an attempt to defuse the crises that has ensued over the decision to resume imports. President Lee Myung-bak's office has not responded to the resignations, according to CCTV.com.

Meanwhile, South Korean opposition lawmakers may boycott parliament over the beef issue beginning Thursday, June 12.

According to CCTV.com, the South Korea government announced last week that it had asked the United States to stop sending beef from older cattle but did not ask for a re-negotiation of the agreement.

A spokesman for U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab said that the United States would not renegotiate the deal but is willing to work with its Asian ally, according to a Reuters AlterNet report.

In April, the U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) issued a statement on its successful negotiation with President Lee Myung-bak. "Our industry has lost between $3.5 billion and $4 billion in beef exports to South Korea since the end of 2003…While this is momentous news for the U.S. beef industry, it also clears one of the major obstacles to the approval of a formal free trade agreement between our two nations," said USMEF President & CEO Philip Seng.& nbsp; "The U.S.-South Korea Free Trade Agreement, when fully implemented, will deliver significant benefits to the U.S. beef and pork industries as well as to South Korean consumers."

A quasi-governmental trade association, the USMEF receives both USDA and industry funding and is responsible for developing international markets for the U.S. red meat industry. The USMEF is maintaining that it knows what's best for South Korean consumers in a press release issued on May 29:

"We look forward to supplying high-quality, wholesome U.S. beef to South Korea," said USMEF President & CEO Philip Seng, "but this is a volatile situation that changes day by day. We are monitoring events in Korea very closely. We were the preferred supplier of beef for Korean cuisine. Our exports are complementary to the South Korean domestic industry. We understand the products and specifications needed."

"The U.S. industry wants to win back the trust of South Korean consumers," said Seng. "U.S. beef exports are accepted by Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Mexico and the European Union. We trust that the facts and sound science will win over Korean public opinion. U.S. beef is safe."

Questions about adequacy of U.S. beef testing abound

The USDA is testing only one-tenth of 1 percent of dead or slaughtered cattle, according to ConsumerReports.org.
An investigative video report released by the Humane Society in February of this year depicted inhumane treatment of sick and 'downer' animals at a processing facility that is the second largest supplier of ground beef to U.S. public schools.
Faced with a possible loss of confidence in the food supply following the video's release, the USDA was forced to recall 143 million pounds of frozen beef. More than one-third of the recalled beef had gone to school lunch programs, the USDA said on Feb. 22. Some was eaten, some was successfully recalled and officials were unable to account for some of the meat.
According to USDA data, downed cattle are 58 times more likely to carry mad cow disease than other cattle. Downed cattle also are more likely to carry other food-borne illnesses like E. coli and Salmonella.
The USDA devotes just 2 percent of its $75 billion budget and 2 percent of its 100,000 staff to "enhance protection and safety of the nation's agriculture and food supply" according to its web site. Thirty-five percent of its budget goes to "enhance economic opportunities for agricultural producers" and 14 percent to "support increased economic opportunities and improved quality of life in rural America."
The USDA announced in July 2006 that it would reduce testing for mad cow disease by 90 percent, to about 110 tests per day. The department based that decision on the finding that fewer than 1 in a million adult cattle were infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE).
Medical experts would rather see more testing, not less. If the United States is testing to reassure consumers and overseas buyers that BSE is rare in the US, then the fewer we test, the fewer cases are found, according to Richard T. Johnson, MD, professor of neurology, microbiology, and neuroscience at the Johns Hopkins University and Bloomberg School of Public Health. Johnson chaired the 12-member committee that wrote the 2004 Institute of Medicine report, Advancing Prion Science: Guidance for the National Prion Research Program.
Finally, just this week the USDA has decided to appeal a March 2007 ruling by a U.S. District Judge who decided that the USDA unlawfully prohibited Creekstone Farms Premium Beef from testing all of its slaughtered cattle. Creekstone Farms, a Kansas beef producer, had filed a suit against the USDA in 2006 for prohibiting the farm from using the same BSE tests used by the USDA. Creekstone Farms says testing all slaughtered cattle would open up new Japanese and other overseas markets for U.S. beef.
"In refusing to allow Creekstone Farms to respond to its customers' preference for beef from animals that have been tested for BSE, the USDA is doggedly pursuing a course that scientists, consumer groups, trade associations and business, and members of Congress regard as a bad policy," according to Dennis Buhlke, Creekstone's president and CEO. "While Creekstone Farms has taken a lead role in this effort, it is not alone in believing that the government should not prevent private companies from voluntarily testing cattle for BSE."
 
Well,Im confused about the korea deal,maybe we oughta take our beef and military and head for the house.
good luck
 
Just how gdamned hard is this? All this huge mess just because we can't voluntarily perform a simple $20 test that should be any company's right to do in a free market society?!

I'll ask for the 84th time; What's it going to take, NCBA? After nearly 5 years, the policy you are supporting is STILL costing US producers money in lost sales, has people demonstrating in the streets against our product, and there is no normal resumption of trade in sight! Just what the hell is it going to take? All this and for WHAT? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Producer's organization my arse! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Whats the odds..........we test and they still protest,they dont want our beef period!!!!!!!!!!!!,lets saddle up...................good luck
 
Poor, pathetically mis-informed Sandhusker!

It is POLITICS in SK, and NOT a food safety issue.

Fueled by some of our own citizens, too, according to 'flounder', claiming emails sent to SK officials open their eyes.

And there's either news stories orrumors of HSUS and PETA inflaming rioters in SK. It's pretty hard to tell the difference between "news" stories and "rumors" all too much of the time in this country, and doubt it's much different in SK.

Eat your heart out, Sandhusker. NCBA does have some 31,000 members, the majority of whom are cow/calf producers, and is growing fast!

mrj
 
Sandhusker said:
Just how gdamned hard is this? All this huge mess just because we can't voluntarily perform a simple $20 test that should be any company's right to do in a free market society?!

I was for testing after the first domestic case here and the test was a helluva lot more than $20. I believe the number floated at the time was somewhere around $100. I maintained I would rather pay for a hundred dollar test and be able to sell my cull cow for $600 than not test and sell her for $120. We were told we "don't want to raise the bar too high for the Americans."
Instead I sold my cull cows for $120. :mad:
I would agree with you; what kind of society are we in where we can't provide a service for a customer that is safe and satisfies the customers desires?I wuld think if the customer wants their beef tested for warts, wattles, pimples and boils, painted blue and packed in fresh soil we should be able to provide the service if we think there is a dollar in it.
 
mrj said:
Poor, pathetically mis-informed Sandhusker!

It is POLITICS in SK, and NOT a food safety issue.

Fueled by some of our own citizens, too, according to 'flounder', claiming emails sent to SK officials open their eyes.

And there's either news stories orrumors of HSUS and PETA inflaming rioters in SK. It's pretty hard to tell the difference between "news" stories and "rumors" all too much of the time in this country, and doubt it's much different in SK.

Eat your heart out, Sandhusker. NCBA does have some 31,000 members, the majority of whom are cow/calf producers, and is growing fast!

mrj

Call it what you want and paint whatever picture you want, MRJ. Bottom line is we aren't selling beef. How much have we sold to Korea since 2003, MRJ? How much money have your 31,000 members made from Korean sales under this strategy?
 
Ben Roberts said:
Sandhusker" How much money have your 31 said:
Think about what you have stated here sandhusker, and who some of the 31,000 members are! I would say that some of those members have made millions!

Good point, Ben, I stand corrected.

Allow me to rephrase my question to MRJ; How much money have the actual producers in your membership made from Korean sales under this strategy? Isn't that the idea, to sell beef?
 
Sandhusker AND Ben, does it or does it not benefit US cattle producers when cattle they sell in this country become beef that is sold for export, domestic consumption, or even that which has to be destroyed because someone made a mistake and it got contaminated with something which makes it unsafe????

So far as our exports to SK, look it up yourself, Sandhusker, and remember...... beef that isn't sold in SK is sold somewhere else, isn't it?

BTW, Ben, just how many packers are members of NCBA and how many of them actually attend meetings and vote on issues?

mrj
 
Sandhusker AND Ben, does it or does it not benefit US cattle producers when cattle they sell in this country become beef that is sold for export, domestic consumption, or even that which has to be destroyed because someone made a mistake and it got contaminated with something which makes it unsafe????

It benefits us, MRJ, which why we're trying to serve a niche market. Why don't you want us to serve that market? How would that be hurting you?

So far as our exports to SK, look it up yourself, Sandhusker, and remember......

I know about our exports to SK, MRJ. The truth hurts, doesn't it? Hurts so much you wouldn't address it. You and NCBA made the bed, but you won't lie in it. That is called irresponsibilty and bullheadedness. You make stupid calls and then when the inevitable mess pops up, you look the other way. What a fine "NCBA success" to add to your mythical list.

beef that isn't sold in SK is sold somewhere else, isn't it?

I'm completely dumbfounded that you would make a comment like this. All this talk about wanting to open foreign markets, how 96% of the world's population is outside of the US and we need to service that, about increasing demand for our product and you say that. See what happens when you are a blind follower to fools - you make foolish comments like that. Why try to sell beef in any foreign market? After all, if it isn't sold in a foreign market, it gets sold somewhere else, doesn't it?

BTW, Ben, just how many packers are members of NCBA and how many of them actually attend meetings and vote on issues

Every one of them actually gets a seat for $100,000 Gold Club "donation". I'll bet for that amount of money, they put a cheek in that seat.
 
Sandhusker, your twists are so silly! I've promoted niche marketing, very probably since before you were born. Nothing I've said is based on what may or may not hurt my business.

Not failure to address your question, but lack of time and your dissembling. Fact is,this is about SK riots which I understand are NOT about food safety, but about politics in SK, possibly influenced by some in our own country who want to embarrass our government as well as harm beef sales, which you don't seem to want to acknowledge. Why is that?

NCBA and USDA and world scientific communities are NOT wrong about BSE and beef trade. If we cave to those who use bogus safety issues on beef, they will respect neither science nor the USA. And it will ultimately damage our sales of beef to any of that 96% of world population outside the USA. Sorry you do not understand that, or is it that you won't ADMIT it?

Re. your claims that "every one of them (packers) actually gets a seat (on the NCBA BOD) for $100,000.00 Gold Club "donation", where is your proof of that statement found? I believe that is either a serious error, or an outright lie on your part.

FACT: NCBA does have "gold level" sponsors. They are Allflex, Bayer,
Cargill, Caterpillar, Dow, Elanco, Ft. Dodge, John Deere, Micro Beef, Pfizer, Purina, and Schering Plough. Those sponsorships do not entitle them to seats on the board. I would assume they may have one membership vote for their sponsorship, but am not certain they do. Their benefit is in their access to and good will of the 90% of those 31,000 NCBA members who are either cow/calf producers or cattle feeders.

The fact remains that your premise that packers controls the NCBA policy decisions is ridiculous. How many of them do you think are even members, let alone on the BOD of NCBA? Get your 'facts' somewhere besides that badly cracked crystal ball you seem to rely on for your information about NCBA!!!!

mrj
 
mrj said:
Sandhusker, your twists are so silly! I've promoted niche marketing, very probably since before you were born. Nothing I've said is based on what may or may not hurt my business.

Uh, MRJ, tested beef is a niche market.....

Not failure to address your question, but lack of time and your dissembling. Fact is,this is about SK riots which I understand are NOT about food safety, but about politics in SK, possibly influenced by some in our own country who want to embarrass our government as well as harm beef sales, which you don't seem to want to acknowledge. Why is that?

I don't acknowledge that because the facts don't even come close to supporting that conclusion.

NCBA and USDA and world scientific communities are NOT wrong about BSE and beef trade. If we cave to those who use bogus safety issues on beef, they will respect neither science nor the USA. And it will ultimately damage our sales of beef to any of that 96% of world population outside the USA. Sorry you do not understand that, or is it that you won't ADMIT it?

*You think we've been getting RESPECT from other countries the last 5 years?
*If a safety concern is hinding your sales, it's not bogus. Your ignorance of basic marketing is showing.
*What do you care about that other 96%? If they don't buy US beef, someone else will, right? Isn't that how you put it? More marketing savy, there.
*If you want to talk about damaged sales, all you have to do is look at this "sound science" policy that is so selectively applied. Why can YOU admit that it isn't working? Hard numbers are available for comparisons.


Re. your claims that "every one of them (packers) actually gets a seat (on the NCBA BOD) for $100,000.00 Gold Club "donation", where is your proof of that statement found? I believe that is either a serious error, or an outright lie on your part.

It's been posted on this very board before. Do a search, it's still here. It seems that I know more about your organization than you do. I would say that is one of the reasons that I belong to the "other guys".
 
mrj BTW said:
Maxine, I have no idea of how many packers are members of the NCBA, and could care less! More than likely none of them attend meetings or vote on the day-to-day issues. Why, would they want to expose themselves, the packers don't need to control the day-to-day issues of the NCBA, just the direction the NCBA is going.
 
The following is in response to my asking an investigative reporter to
clarify facts regarding NCBA & Packers. Roni Bell Sylvester



Re: Your question about the NCBA board. NCBA likes to tout that a majority of its board is made up of cow/calf and stocker operators. Here are the facts. Seats on the NCBA board must be purchased. You can visit the NCBA website to find out the current pricing for board seats, but if I remember correctly the base price for the first seat is $10,000. Additional seats are much higher.

States like Kansas, Iowa, Texas, Nebraska and California - where cattle feeding is concentrated - collect involuntary dues from people who feed in NCBA affiliated feedlots. The dues are simply collected on yardage invoices. Therefore, these states have far more money than other states like the northern plains where cattle feeding is not concentrated. NCBA affiliates in those states purchase multiple seats on the board. Texas Cattle Feeders, Kansas Livestock Association, Nebraska Cattlemen, Iowa Cattlemen, California Cattlemen collectively hold enough votes on the NCBA board to control policy. Other states simply do not have the money to spend buying enough voting seats to effect policy.

The packers do NOT need to have a majority of seats on the NCBA board in order to control things and they don't. They simply show up at the meeting, parade down the aisle and sit in the front of the room, turn their chairs around and stare at those feeding states and guess what? The feeding states vote as dictated when the vice presidents of major packer's cattle procurement divisions are watching.

The NCBA board is divided into two divisions - policy and federation. We used to call it dues and checkoff. What I just referred to in the paragraphs above is the dues side, which sets policy. The federation (or checkoff) division is structured the same way, meaning that votes are purchased on the federation side of the NCBA board. States use checkoff funds to purchase those voting seats. Again, the feeding states have control because that's where the most cattle transactions take place, putting the money (and control) into their hands.

A number of times over the years there's been movements to attempt to change the structure at NCBA and all have failed. It's simply impossible to out vote those in control. Texas Cattle Feeders Association, for example, sinks hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars each year into seats on both sides of the NCBA board. So does KLA. Collectively all the other member states don't have enough votes to out vote them. Colorado Cattlemen's Association I believe holds three voting seats currently compared to TCFA's 19 or 20 - just on the dues side.
 
Thank you, Ranchhand. This is a pretty accurate accounting of what happens at NCBA.

People get all caught up in the tangled web of packers having board seats at NCBA when they really don't and don't need to.

It's the big state associations like KLA, TCF, Nebraska Cattlemen, California and Iowa that hold all the voting power because they have all the financial wherewithall to invest in voting board seats. Other states have the same option available to them. Take South Dakota for instance. If SD Cattlemen's had the money, the outfit could invest in board seats and be a player but they don't so they can't. All the whining and crying in the world isn't going to change the power structure at NCBA. Apparently 31,000 people believe it's a good system and they like what they're getting in return. So be it. NCBA has no competition at the national level.
 
Reggie said:
Thank you, Ranchhand. This is a pretty accurate accounting of what happens at NCBA.

People get all caught up in the tangled web of packers having board seats at NCBA when they really don't and don't need to.

It's the big state associations like KLA, TCF, Nebraska Cattlemen, California and Iowa that hold all the voting power because they have all the financial wherewithall to invest in voting board seats. Other states have the same option available to them. Take South Dakota for instance. If SD Cattlemen's had the money, the outfit could invest in board seats and be a player but they don't so they can't. All the whining and crying in the world isn't going to change the power structure at NCBA. Apparently 31,000 people believe it's a good system and they like what they're getting in return. So be it. NCBA has no competition at the national level.

I didn't think it was a "good system"...that's why I got out!
 
Me, too, and it'll be awhile before ANY organization gets my dues.

I don't like the fact that a handful of states wield so much power at NCBA because of their ability to invest. I don't like the fact that R-CALF has become such a bunch of USDA-hating, lawyer-loving radicals who think accountability only matters when it applies to other organizations or government agencies.
 
Reggie said:
Me, too, and it'll be awhile before ANY organization gets my dues.

I don't like the fact that a handful of states wield so much power at NCBA because of their ability to invest. I don't like the fact that R-CALF has become such a bunch of USDA-hating, lawyer-loving radicals who think accountability only matters when it applies to other organizations or government agencies.


:shock:
 
Reggie, they don't need to hold a seat to control NBCA. They only have to control the top feeders like Cactus Feeders and others. Seems like Cactus Feeders and one of the packers are pretty much the same. Plus like the government, they more money you line people's pockets the more they lean. NCBA knows who butters their bread.
 

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