Sitz Angus

[elwapo]

Perception is reality. Some outfits are better at perception than others. I think many commercial boys get star stuck by the big outfits, especially those new comers with the misconception that when they pay a pile of money for seedstock it will mean a higher return on investment. More often than not, a diamond in the rough is the jewell to pick.

 

[katrina]

I'm sure open to the algebra that shows how $2200 commercial heifers are going to work!

if you took those same heifers, put someone elses name on them, run them through any sale barn in the country they'll probably bring $1200-$1400. the Sitz's have developed quite a reputation in the cattle world so i say more power to them. :tiphat: i'm bettin any of us would trade places with them, at least on sale day. :wink:


with that said, paying 2250 for comm. heifers doesn't make sense to me either.

I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes anytime saleday or not.... It's called a conscience... But then again maybe there more big high flyers that can make those prices work....

 

[Justin]

I'm sure open to the algebra that shows how $2200 commercial heifers are going to work!

if you took those same heifers, put someone elses name on them, run them through any sale barn in the country they'll probably bring $1200-$1400. the Sitz's have developed quite a reputation in the cattle world so i say more power to them. :tiphat: i'm bettin any of us would trade places with them, at least on sale day. :wink:


with that said, paying 2250 for comm. heifers doesn't make sense to me either.

I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes anytime saleday or not.... It's called a conscience... But then again maybe there more big high flyers that can make those prices work....

so if someone drove into you place and said they'd take every bred heifer ya got for $2250....you'd say no, cause you're worried about sleeping at night? :?

 

[Anonymous]

Perception is reality. Some outfits are better at perception than others. I think many commercial boys get star stuck by the big outfits, especially those new comers with the misconception that when they pay a pile of money for seedstock it will mean a higher return on investment. More often than not, a diamond in the rough is the jewell to pick.

AMEN-- I've always said some of the best unfound "diamonds" are in some of these smaller herd seedstock folks that have long term programs- know their cattle (cattle are not just a number)- and run their cattle in the same enviroment and conditions the commercial guy will...
I'm convinced that some of the best bulls ever born were never known because they spent their entire lives in some ranchers commercial herd...

Quite a discussion on the cattletoday site going on now about one breeder that consistently weans 800-900-1000+ lb bull calves.... And the AI sales folks buy up their bulls by the handful and promote them thru the bigger better faster emotion and commotion... But I always wonder how well those same animals/genetics would do in some of the real world enviroment- without a creep feeder in front of them from the time they are a few weeks old? And how well the cows would do living on picking thru the snow and only fed a little 2-3 year old CRP or prairie hay for filler ?

 

[greybeard]

I'd be surprised if some of the guys that bought those big dollar heifers will find they are no better or not as good as they have at home. Won't be the first time.
Talked to a guy today who sold out yesterday. His best 4 yr old cows sold for $1150. I'd like to think they were pretty good as I sold them to him.
It's been to long between on the profiability side to bring out a lot of bidders here. That and growing grain has been real good here for the past 4 years.
Anybody see the breds sell at Agribition? If so, what did the better ones sell for?

 

[katrina]

if you took those same heifers, put someone elses name on them, run them through any sale barn in the country they'll probably bring $1200-$1400. the Sitz's have developed quite a reputation in the cattle world so i say more power to them. :tiphat: i'm bettin any of us would trade places with them, at least on sale day. :wink:


with that said, paying 2250 for comm. heifers doesn't make sense to me either.

I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes anytime saleday or not.... It's called a conscience... But then again maybe there more big high flyers that can make those prices work....

so if someone drove into you place and said they'd take every bred heifer ya got for $2250....you'd say no, cause you're worried about sleeping at night? :?

yes.... You wouldn't??? :shock:

Here's my bull selling story..... I'm in the grocery store.... See a guy who I know... We talk cows and such... I say that I have been AIing and we talk other things.... This fall he calls ask if I would have a spare bull or two he needs a hiefier bull.......... I tell him what I have....... He knows one perticilar breed I have and says he will take at least one..... I say ok....... He asks how much? I say $100 dollars over steer price.. Okay.... He says when do I need to pickup and out bulls.... I say this spring after we semen check... He says great as he has no place to keep him.. Done deal... end of story.. Now who's shoes would you rather be in....

 

[Anonymous]

From Bill Pelton Sitz Sale Report.
Sitz Angus December 2, 2010 Harrison, MT Auctioneers: Joe Goggins & Roger Jacobs
392 Coming Two Year Old Bulls $4,856
400 Commercial Bred Heifers $1,746
75 Commercial Bred Cows $1,462
4 Broke Ranch Horses $3,750

TOP BULLS:
Lot 6 - $30,000, a son of Sitz Upward 307R to Currant Creek Angus, Roundup, MT
Lot 31 - $20,000, a son of Sitz Upward 307R to Genex CRI, Shawano, WI and Fortune's UCross Angus, Quinn, SD
Lot 201 - $20,000, a son of Connealy Thunder to Talon Ranch, Twin Bridges, MT
Lot 35 - $15,000, a son of Sitz Upward 307R to LLB Angus, Erskine, Alberta Canada
Lot 20 - $13,000, a son of Sitz Upward 307R to Raven Angus, Colome, SD
TOP FEMALES:
20 Commercial Bred Heifers @ $2,250
10 Commercial Bred Heifers @ $2,000

 

[Justin]

I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes anytime saleday or not.... It's called a conscience... But then again maybe there more big high flyers that can make those prices work....

so if someone drove into you place and said they'd take every bred heifer ya got for $2250....you'd say no, cause you're worried about sleeping at night? :?

yes.... You wouldn't??? :shock:

Here's my bull selling story..... I'm in the grocery store.... See a guy who I know... We talk cows and such... I say that I have been AIing and we talk other things.... This fall he calls ask if I would have a spare bull or two he needs a hiefier bull.......... I tell him what I have....... He knows one perticilar breed I have and says he will take at least one..... I say ok....... He asks how much? I say $100 dollars over steer price.. Okay.... He says when do I need to pickup and out bulls.... I say this spring after we semen check... He says great as he has no place to keep him.. Done deal... end of story.. Now who's shoes would you rather be in....

if someone offered me that kind of money for my bred heifers, would i take the money?.....you damn right. i'd set a new world record for the fastest time getting them loaded on the trailer. i'm really curious why that would shock you? :? it's no different then then those that spend that kind of money at Sitzs, SAV, Vermillion or any of those other high dollar sales. those buyers know what they are bidding on, if they got the money and want to spend it.....i believe that is there choice, i don't think they are being forced into it.

 

[katrina]

Interesting....... And Justin I'm not being judgemental......
It's the principal...... For me......Maybe it's just an older person thingy..

 

[Howdy1]

Sure the heifers carry the Sitz name and are probably good ones. But I watched the heifers sell and Joe G. kept saying the buyers had been buying them for years. So it tells me the heifers must be okay or you wouldn't go back especially at those prices. I also noticed most people only took a few at a time. Maybe people pay more for the heifers planning on keeping their own $5000 bull out of them.

I agree with Justin. Somebody offer me $2000 for my heifers and they would be long gone. I would then be in the seats buying heifers back at $1200-$1400. I would then end up with more heifers that I started with. Just makes good business sense.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Interesting....... And Justin I'm not being judgemental......
It's the principal...... For me......Maybe it's just an older person thingy..

Not that I want to get between you two but for me "I'm not my brothers keeper" I don't get big money for my bulls either but if somebody offered me more I sure wouldn't refuse it. It's one thing to deceive someone but if your up front on what your selling surely the buyer has a responsibility to know what they are buying.

Your not charging enough for your bulls because they should be better then any of your steers and the vet charges will eat up most of that $100. :?

 

[katrina]

Interesting....... And Justin I'm not being judgemental......
It's the principal...... For me......Maybe it's just an older person thingy..

Not that I want to get between you two but for me "I'm not my brothers keeper" I don't get big money for my bulls either but if somebody offered me more I sure wouldn't refuse it. It's one thing to deceive someone but if your up front on what your selling surely the buyer has a responsibility to know what they are buying.

Your not charging enough for your bulls because they should be better then any of your steers and the vet charges will eat up most of that $100. :?

What's a bull without it's balls??? A steer..... A steer is a steer........

What is a 1100 pound steer worth??

 

[Anonymous]

Sure the heifers carry the Sitz name and are probably good ones. But I watched the heifers sell and Joe G. kept saying the buyers had been buying them for years. So it tells me the heifers must be okay or you wouldn't go back especially at those prices. I also noticed most people only took a few at a time. Maybe people pay more for the heifers planning on keeping their own $5000 bull out of them.

I agree with Justin. Somebody offer me $2000 for my heifers and they would be long gone. I would then be in the seats buying heifers back at $1200-$1400. I would then end up with more heifers that I started with. Just makes good business sense.

I'm wondering if some of those "commercial" heifer groups weren't bought with the option of buying the papers... I know we've bought several heifers/cows that sold as commercial in sales- but were offered with the option of getting the papers if you paid another $50-$100-?... Its quite common with the local sales-- either sitting a minimum price before you can get the papers ($2,000 ?) and/or charging extra for the papers...

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Interesting....... And Justin I'm not being judgemental......
It's the principal...... For me......Maybe it's just an older person thingy..

Not that I want to get between you two but for me "I'm not my brothers keeper" I don't get big money for my bulls either but if somebody offered me more I sure wouldn't refuse it. It's one thing to deceive someone but if your up front on what your selling surely the buyer has a responsibility to know what they are buying.

Your not charging enough for your bulls because they should be better then any of your steers and the vet charges will eat up most of that $100. :?

What's a bull without it's balls??? A steer..... A steer is a steer........

What is a 1100 pound steer worth??

A fat steer is probably around that $1.00 a pound but when I buy bulls I don't want just a steer with balls. :?

 

[Justin]

Interesting....... And Justin I'm not being judgemental......
It's the principal...... For me......Maybe it's just an older person thingy..

Not that I want to get between you two but for me "I'm not my brothers keeper" I don't get big money for my bulls either but if somebody offered me more I sure wouldn't refuse it. It's one thing to deceive someone but if your up front on what your selling surely the buyer has a responsibility to know what they are buying.Your not charging enough for your bulls because they should be better then any of your steers and the vet charges will eat up most of that $100. :?

:agree:

 

[Justin]

Sure the heifers carry the Sitz name and are probably good ones. But I watched the heifers sell and Joe G. kept saying the buyers had been buying them for years. So it tells me the heifers must be okay or you wouldn't go back especially at those prices. I also noticed most people only took a few at a time. Maybe people pay more for the heifers planning on keeping their own $5000 bull out of them.

I agree with Justin. Somebody offer me $2000 for my heifers and they would be long gone. I would then be in the seats buying heifers back at $1200-$1400. I would then end up with more heifers that I started with. Just makes good business sense.

I'm wondering if some of those "commercial" heifer groups weren't bought with the option of buying the papers... I know we've bought several heifers/cows that sold as commercial in sales- but were offered with the option of getting the papers if you paid another $50-$100-?... Its quite common with the local sales-- either sitting a minimum price before you can get the papers ($2,000 ?) and/or charging extra for the papers...

i'd say that is possible. but they said they were selling gate cut, would think if a person was buying reg. heifers they would want a better cut on them. we may never know :wink:

 

[katrina]

Sure the heifers carry the Sitz name and are probably good ones. But I watched the heifers sell and Joe G. kept saying the buyers had been buying them for years. So it tells me the heifers must be okay or you wouldn't go back especially at those prices. I also noticed most people only took a few at a time. Maybe people pay more for the heifers planning on keeping their own $5000 bull out of them.

I agree with Justin. Somebody offer me $2000 for my heifers and they would be long gone. I would then be in the seats buying heifers back at $1200-$1400. I would then end up with more heifers that I started with. Just makes good business sense.

I'm wondering if some of those "commercial" heifer groups weren't bought with the option of buying the papers... I know we've bought several heifers/cows that sold as commercial in sales- but were offered with the option of getting the papers if you paid another $50-$100-?... Its quite common with the local sales-- either sitting a minimum price before you can get the papers ($2,000 ?) and/or charging extra for the papers...

i'd say that is possible. but they said they were selling gate cut, would think if a person was buying reg. heifers they would want a better cut on them. we may never know :wink:

They never sell the papers..... I know this from a very good source...

 

[katrina]

Not that I want to get between you two but for me "I'm not my brothers keeper" I don't get big money for my bulls either but if somebody offered me more I sure wouldn't refuse it. It's one thing to deceive someone but if your up front on what your selling surely the buyer has a responsibility to know what they are buying.

Your not charging enough for your bulls because they should be better then any of your steers and the vet charges will eat up most of that $100. :?

What's a bull without it's balls??? A steer..... A steer is a steer........

What is a 1100 pound steer worth??

A fat steer is probably around that $1.00 a pound but when I buy bulls I don't want just a steer with balls. :?

Your missing the point..... :roll: If we would of cut him for a steer. He would of brought steer price.... Right??? It's not what they look like... Your talking conformation and I"m talking dollar wise.. So if a steer is a dollar a pound at 1100 pounds, then my bull is 1200 dollars.... If my bull weights say 900 pounds then my price is steer price at 900 pounds plus a hundred.... Savy??
Just remember when you lay with dogs, you might get fleas... :wink:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

What's a bull without it's balls??? A steer..... A steer is a steer........

What is a 1100 pound steer worth??

A fat steer is probably around that $1.00 a pound but when I buy bulls I don't want just a steer with balls. :?

Your missing the point..... :roll: If we would of cut him for a steer. He would of brought steer price.... Right??? It's not what they look like... Your talking conformation and I"m talking dollar wise.. So if a steer is a dollar a pound at 1100 pounds, then my bull is 1200 dollars.... If my bull weights say 900 pounds then my price is steer price at 900 pounds plus a hundred.... Savy??
Just remember when you lay with dogs, you might get fleas... :wink:

And if he doesn't turn out that good and needs to be culled or doesn't pass his semen test you have bull or stag that won't bring you steer price. That is why you need to charge more because you are taking the risk.
A little flea powder goes a long way. :wink:

 

[katrina]

A fat steer is probably around that $1.00 a pound but when I buy bulls I don't want just a steer with balls. :?

Your missing the point..... :roll: If we would of cut him for a steer. He would of brought steer price.... Right??? It's not what they look like... Your talking conformation and I"m talking dollar wise.. So if a steer is a dollar a pound at 1100 pounds, then my bull is 1200 dollars.... If my bull weights say 900 pounds then my price is steer price at 900 pounds plus a hundred.... Savy??
Just remember when you lay with dogs, you might get fleas... :wink:

And if he doesn't turn out that good and needs to be culled or doesn't pass his semen test you have bull or stag that won't bring you steer price. That is why you need to charge more because you are taking the risk.
A little flea powder goes a long way. :wink:

Very funny
Except you either sell him for a feeder bull or feed him and sell him as a fat bull..

Is this the old ranchers where we could actually talk without someone getting mean or what.... This was fun!!