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Size limit on heifer bulls

guest1 - Most of us who use this forum are here to throw ideas back and forth, not disrespectful and demeaning comments. None of MYT's comments were deserving of your little tantrum. he's just stating his experience. nothing wrong with that. If you don't have something to add to the conversation then leave.
 
per said:
Good post MYT, nice pair! :-)
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Thanks, per. Kit happens to be one of my mentors, and he has straightened my out on how to respond with decency. I am grateful to him for helping me to learn tact and control with what I post for all the world to see. By the way, that pair isn't even mine! It just so happens that one belongs to my sister. She has an excellent cow herd base with that female. She weaned a very good calf this year.
 
Faster horses said:
Everyone knows it's always hard to sell a bull to your neighbor. MYT says she is from the Colorado Plains and in my mind, that makes her a neighbor to Kit.
Purchasing bulls from Kit and being happy with them says a lot, to me anyway.
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Begging your pardon FH, but I happen to be a he. :D Yep, Kit and I don't live far apart. He actually is able to sell bulls even "more locally" than me. Plus, when we decided to sell that set of red cattle and buy up a black set, there was an instant market for them.
 
guest1 said:
MYT Farms said:
per said:
Good post MYT, nice pair! :-)
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Thanks, per. Kit happens to be one of my mentors, and he has straightened my out on how to respond with decency. I am grateful to him for helping me to learn tact and control with what I post for all the world to see. By the way, that pair isn't even mine! It just so happens that one belongs to my sister. She has an excellent cow herd base with that female. She weaned a very good calf this year.
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I'm so glad that you found a cult that not only nourishes your spiritual side but also serves as a beef marketing alliance, BRAVO!!!!!!!!
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To set things strait, I'm using a type of cattle raising philosophy. I do not appreciate people taking this stuff too far. If you hate PCC producers, that's perfectly fine by me. Don't drag religion and moral believes down with it. Yes, Kit has been very helpful to my family with his faith in God, and I will proudly stand up and say that. Now please leave off this before it goes any further. Thanks.
 
I understand that Circle M, although I thank you for the reminder. I simply need to come out and say that it's flat wrong to drag down the Lord's name like this. However, I'll just leave it there.
 
While the Lord's name always comes first, it is also wrong to drag down Pharo Cattle Company's good name like that. If you don't have something decent or fact based to say, then it's better to say nothing at all.
 
MYT, well timed silence can be more eloquent than speech. :D Especially when dealing with undesirables. :wink:

Back to the question, true heifer catchers should never grow bigger than 18-1900 lbs. IMO.
We have used bulls for up to 5 years on heifers as long as they were athletic and stayed sound. I find it hard to believe the guys that push 90 lb + "heifer bulls" :roll:
 
The best heifer bull we ever bought was a bull born to a first calf heifer. 76 lb. birthweight, he only ended up weighing around 1900 as a mature bull. We used him for 6 years, then a cousin bought him from us, and he used him for another 3 years. Threw awesome, meaty calves that weaned off at 600-700 lbs., pretty good weaning weights off heifers. And because he was only around 1900, he never flattened the heifers to the ground or hurt them in any way.
 
I am always looking for ways to sneak a little hybrid vigor into my cowherd but don't want to do it at the expense of having 2 types of cattle at sale time. You know what I mean, color, style, frame differences etc.

Anyway I was thinking this evening about a half blood black simmental that I could AI to heifers so I wouldn't have to buy a bull just for an experiment. I'm thinking a quarter blood calf would blend right in with my cows straight bred angus calves and might make a good female in the future.

Calving ease is priority #1 so I'm a little hesitant to even try it but is there any one out that has tried this?
 
As discussed before, I've done this with Balancers and have been happy with the results. I think the simmental cross would work good as well, I just am unsure if you'd get some white where you don't want it. I've just noticed the black simmentals sometimes have white left on their udders/pink bags. Maybe this isn't a big problem, just something I've noticed on the very few black female simmentals I've seen. Maybe this wouldn't be an issue for you if it did happen.
 
What about birth weight though. I was looking at the ABS book and found some 4 star calving ease sires with high accuracies but I would feel more comfortable talking to someone that has used them to get their feelings. I despise pulling calves as you can probably tell.
 
Big Swede said:
What about birth weight though. I was looking at the ABS book and found some 4 star calving ease sires with high accuracies but I would feel more comfortable talking to someone that has used them to get their feelings. I despise pulling calves as you can probably tell.
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I know PPRM does/did use them and liked them. He shows up here off and on...you could pm him and ask.
 
Nicky said:
Big Swede said:
What about birth weight though. I was looking at the ABS book and found some 4 star calving ease sires with high accuracies but I would feel more comfortable talking to someone that has used them to get their feelings. I despise pulling calves as you can probably tell.
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I know PPRM does/did use them and liked them. He shows up here off and on...you could pm him and ask.
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If you find something out, let us know.
 
I did a search and this was the thread I remembered about PPRM...just in case it's awhile before he returns.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=403&view=next
 
Nicky said:
I did a search and this was the thread I remembered about PPRM...just in case it's awhile before he returns.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=403&view=next
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Big Swede...pm me if you want his email address
 
Big Swede said:
I am always looking for ways to sneak a little hybrid vigor into my cowherd but don't want to do it at the expense of having 2 types of cattle at sale time. You know what I mean, color, style, frame differences etc.

Anyway I was thinking this evening about a half blood black simmental that I could AI to heifers so I wouldn't have to buy a bull just for an experiment. I'm thinking a quarter blood calf would blend right in with my cows straight bred angus calves and might make a good female in the future.

Calving ease is priority #1 so I'm a little hesitant to even try it but is there any one out that has tried this?
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I don't think the accuracy is there with composite bulls. Quite a few calves could be lightweight and come easy. Then some others might be real big and cause severe calving problems. Back in the 1980's, a couple neighbors used half Longhorn-half British cross bulls on heifers and had substantial difficulty. My free and unsolicited advice would be to stick with straight Angus bulls to use on your first-calf heifers.
 
Big Swede said:
I am always looking for ways to sneak a little hybrid vigor into my cowherd but don't want to do it at the expense of having 2 types of cattle at sale time. You know what I mean, color, style, frame differences etc.

Anyway I was thinking this evening about a half blood black simmental that I could AI to heifers so I wouldn't have to buy a bull just for an experiment. I'm thinking a quarter blood calf would blend right in with my cows straight bred angus calves and might make a good female in the future.

Calving ease is priority #1 so I'm a little hesitant to even try it but is there any one out that has tried this?
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I am not sure where you are at in SD, but Kappes Simmentals, Long Lake, SD is having their bull sale Sat. in Aberdeen, SD. They have several SimAngus bulls that will work on heifers (at least according to the numbers). Their catalog is on line at www.kappessimmentals.com
 

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