Tam, please provide the proof

[agman]

Mike can you provide a quote from the Japoanese to support your statement and claim "The Japs will argue that sentence to high heaven. To them, BSE tested "DOES" mean BSE FREE if the test is negative."

The Japoanese(sic) LOL consumer sentiments of tested beef is all the quote you need agman. Why do you think it has taken over two years to get into the market unless that is the case. Did you forget it was a law there that beef from BSE nations had to be tested? Even their OWN
country.

That statement without govenment approval is good PR for the firm making the statement knowing they cannot legally act on that statement.

When they petitioned the USDA they could not have known the USDA would disallow their request. It was even better PR when the USDA turned them down. We wouldn't be discussing it now had they allowed it.

No, I don't have an official statement from a Jap official except the Ag minister. Do you have one that said they wouldn't accept tested beef?

So, are you telling me that you have no official statement or quote per this subject? I am supposed to accept your interpretation of consumer sentiment. How do you know what Japanese consumer sentiment is? Poles results vary depending upon the question and group being questioned.

The reason it has taken two years is quite simple...it is called politics. Beyond the politics the USDA's performance has been less than stellar per this subject.

My reference "That statement without government approval is good PR for the firm making the statement knowing they cannot legally act on that statement" is regarding any importing company making that statement to Creekstone that they, the importing company, would pay for testing. Creekstone has provided no official government documentation to support the Japanese acceptance of product if tested. Which official in the government made that statement regarding payment or acceptance of product if tested?

 

[Sandhusker]

Considering the amount of money that has been left on the table, I can't believe anybody would quibble on who would of paid for the $20 test. We could of tested every dang bovine in the country twice for the money we've lost. :roll:

 

[Econ101]

Mike can you provide a quote from the Japoanese to support your statement and claim "The Japs will argue that sentence to high heaven. To them, BSE tested "DOES" mean BSE FREE if the test is negative."

The Japoanese(sic) LOL consumer sentiments of tested beef is all the quote you need agman. Why do you think it has taken over two years to get into the market unless that is the case. Did you forget it was a law there that beef from BSE nations had to be tested? Even their OWN
country.

That statement without govenment approval is good PR for the firm making the statement knowing they cannot legally act on that statement.

When they petitioned the USDA they could not have known the USDA would disallow their request. It was even better PR when the USDA turned them down. We wouldn't be discussing it now had they allowed it.

No, I don't have an official statement from a Jap official except the Ag minister. Do you have one that said they wouldn't accept tested beef?

So, are you telling me that you have no official statement or quote per this subject? I am supposed to accept your interpretation of consumer sentiment. How do you know what Japanese consumer sentiment is? Poles results vary depending upon the question and group being questioned.

The reason it has taken two years is quite simple...it is called politics. Beyond the politics the USDA's performance has been less than stellar per this subject.

My reference "That statement without government approval is good PR for the firm making the statement knowing they cannot legally act on that statement" is regarding any importing company making that statement to Creekstone that they, the importing company, would pay for testing. Creekstone has provided no official government documentation to support the Japanese acceptance of product if tested. Which official in the government made that statement regarding payment or acceptance of product if tested?

Agman I find it funny that you would use your talents to argue a possible profit out of this industry for small packers and producers just to limit small packer profitability compared to the big boys. No, after the argumements you have made on this board, it is no surprise at all.

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "BTW, how much of that $400 per head Creekstone claims they are losing ever got passed on to producers pre BSE?"

I thought the more packers make, the more they can pay for cattle? Perhaps that "rule" only applies to big packers?

 

[Tam]

Mike can you provide a quote from the Japoanese to support your statement and claim "The Japs will argue that sentence to high heaven. To them, BSE tested "DOES" mean BSE FREE if the test is negative."

The Japoanese(sic) LOL consumer sentiments of tested beef is all the quote you need agman. Why do you think it has taken over two years to get into the market unless that is the case. Did you forget it was a law there that beef from BSE nations had to be tested? Even their OWN
country.

That statement without govenment approval is good PR for the firm making the statement knowing they cannot legally act on that statement.

When they petitioned the USDA they could not have known the USDA would disallow their request. It was even better PR when the USDA turned them down. We wouldn't be discussing it now had they allowed it.

No, I don't have an official statement from a Jap official except the Ag minister. Do you have one that said they wouldn't accept tested beef?

So, are you telling me that you have no official statement or quote per this subject? I am supposed to accept your interpretation of consumer sentiment. How do you know what Japanese consumer sentiment is? Poles results vary depending upon the question and group being questioned.

The reason it has taken two years is quite simple...it is called politics. Beyond the politics the USDA's performance has been less than stellar per this subject.

My reference "That statement without government approval is good PR for the firm making the statement knowing they cannot legally act on that statement" is regarding any importing company making that statement to Creekstone that they, the importing company, would pay for testing. Creekstone has provided no official government documentation to support the Japanese acceptance of product if tested. Which official in the government made that statement regarding payment or acceptance of product if tested?

Don't you find it funny that Mike started this thread by demanding a direct quote from Creekstone to prove what I said and now he expects us to take his interpetation of something as proof of his statement? Do as I say Not as I do right Mike :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Mike]

I'm still waiting Tam. You gave me quotes from the USDA. :roll:

 

[Tam]

I'm still waiting Tam. You gave me quotes from the USDA. :roll:

If you had read the whole thing you might have noticed this part Mike

Creekstone's Pentz said "the company knows that." "But the issue," he said,
"isn't whether the tests are effective, it's whether the federal government
should -- or can -- prevent a private business from meeting the legal
expectations of its customers. In this instance, the customers want the
testing."

Now just use that imagination of yours Mike you seem to be able to use it when it comes to what the Japanese say. Or did you provide Agman with a quote to back you claims. :roll: :roll: :roll: