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Testimony of Scott Hamilton Phil Campbell, Alabama before the
Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry United States Senate
for a hearing on

"Economic Challenges and Opportunities Facing American Agricultural Producers Today"

April 18, 2007

Chairman Harkin, Ranking Member Chambliss, and Members of the Committee-

Thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today on this important topic.

My name is Scott Hamilton. I am a poultry grower from Phil Campbell, Alabama. I also raise cattle on my farm, where I live with my wife and two children. I graduated of Auburn University in 1995 with a degree in Zoology, and also later graduated from Auburn's Agriculture and Forestry Leadership Program.

I am very pleased that this hearing is being held, because it demonstrates that this Committee understands the importance of competitive markets and fairness standards to the family farmers of this country. The structure of U.S. Agriculture has changed significantly in recent decades, and the American farmers are rapidly losing their independence. For many of us, that independence was lost years ago.

I am here today to tell you a few of my experiences as a poultry grower, as well as those of other poultry growers, with regard to the abusive practices that have become commonplace in poultry.

Poultry has been grown under production contracts since the 1950s and contracting is nearly universal today, particularly for broilers. In 2004, the Winston-Salem Journal in North Carolina did a series of articles entitled "Plucking the Farmer" about the abuses that poultry growers face in the contract relationships with large, vertically integrated poultry firms. An editorial in this series stated it well when it described the relationship as follows:

"The companies own the chickens, control what kind of birds the farmers get, control the feed, control the pay system and can cancel a contract at almost any time. The farmers take out loans to build the chicken house they own, but the companies often ask for expensive improvements such as new fans, scale systems, egg-collector conveyors, lights and other equipment…. The U.S. Department of Agriculture has little authority in cases involving unfair or illegal practices involving contract chicken farmers. And the way the contracts are written gives farmers little recourse in courts."

An even more extensive series of articles of the poultry industry's mistreatment of growers ran in the Baltimore Sun in 1999, and stated that: "[The] imbalance of power begins and ends with a farmer's contract." When I first decided to get involved in the poultry growing business in 1995, it was my hope and expectation that I would be in a close working partnership with my poultry company. After all, I was putting up $350,000 of borrowed capital for single-use poultry houses on my farm, built to the poultry company's specifications, in order to raise their chickens to full slaughter weight. But instead of a partnership, I quickly learned what so many other poultry growers have learned, that the poultry growing relationship is more like a dictatorship or a feudal system of serfdom.

Often a grower does not even see a written contract until after they've gone to the bank to get the loan to build the houses on their land. The bank often makes the loan based on a letter of intent from the poultry company. Because of the large size of the loan, growers usually have to put up their farmland and their homes as collateral. So once the grower actually sees the written contract, they are in no position to argue. The extreme debt required to get into the poultry growing business and the fact that there are not alternative uses for the poultry houses, give the poultry company total control. For most growers, you cannot shop around for other poultry companies if you disagree with your company's practices. There is very little competition in local areas. Even in those unusual instances where two companies overlap a certain area, companies are very reluctant to pick up a grower who has disagreed in any way with another company.

There are no negotiations, because the company has total power. Either you sign what's put in front of you, or they don't bring you chickens. If they don't bring you chickens, you can't make you mortgage payments, and you lose your farm and home.

So it is from this basic imbalance that all of the abuses experienced by poultry growers originate. The company has total leverage and the grower has absolutely none.

Let me briefly describe some of the abusive contract clauses that growers face as a result of this imbalance of power. The Ranking System of Payment Most poultry growers are paid based on a "ranking system" which pays you in competition with other growers. Essentially, the company has you compete with other growers based on your success in putting weight on the bird during the 7-to-9 week grow-out period, relative to how much feed you used. This is called the feed conversion. But the catch is that all the inputs that determine your feed conversion are controlled and supplied by the company itself. From the day-old chicks, to the feed, to the specifications of your poultry house, all are controlled by the company. Often one grower will receive different inputs than another grower in the same "ranking," which can influence your feed conversion greatly. Yet those growers are still ranked together as if it were a straight-up, fair competition. The difference between a top ranking and a bottom ranking can mean many thousands of dollars to a grower for a 7-to-9 week flock. The irony is that while the company portrays this system as a competition, there is really only one winner, and that is the company. Because no matter how successful you are at raising their birds, the system is rigged so that half the growers get pay cuts to compensate for the other half that get bonuses. This system also helps to make growers suspicious of each other, to minimize the potential for any group action by growers.

But some growers have seen through that smoke screen to understand that only through working together will they gain the leverage to demand better contracts. Often the lack of transparency in the ranking system has been a tool for companies to retaliate against growers who attempt to speak out about the abuses or organize with other growers to try to bargain for better contract terms. It is very common for such outspoken growers to suddenly see their ranking fall drastically, costing them thousands of dollars.

In my personal experience, after I started to be more active in the Alabama Poultry Growers Association, I saw my ranking fall and was put on a probation-like program. I had sick birds, through no control of my own. I was told that I was doing poorly as a grower, and would need to do better. When you are put on this program, you need to show improvement in the ranking or the next step is termination, even though you've made a huge investment for the purposes of the contract and your ranking may have nothing to do with your own performance.

In a more extreme example, a breeder hen grower in Georgia, Chris Burger, was the victim of severe retaliation by his poultry company when he tried to organize a breeder hen grower group in his area. The company deliberately targeted him and delivered chickens with cholera to his farm. He was able to sue and years later he won his case after it was proven that the company deliberately targeted him with the bad birds because of his organizing efforts. But his victory in court palled in comparison to the loss of his farm and the loss of his family to divorce related to the stress of those years. Forced Equipment Upgrades at the Growers' Expense A major part of the leverage that the companies hold over growers is their debt. Growers without debt are growers that are in a position to say "no" to the company, or to insist on a better contract, because they have less to lose. So it's not surprising that as growers pay down their loans, the companies will often put pressure on them to take out new loans to upgrade their houses, even though the houses they originally built were constructed based on the company's own specifications. The companies want to experiment with new technologies, but they force the growers to pay for those experiments. In some cases they may offer small pay increases to those who agree to make the upgrades, but never are the increases enough to cash flow the new debts and the additional energy costs needed to power the new equipment. Almost always, those growers who decline to upgrade are threatened with contract termination.

I have a neighbor whose company is pressuring him to upgrade his four chicken houses. In order to make the upgrades, he would need to spend $157,000. In exchange, he would be given an increase in pay of about one-third a penny per pound. Based on his average weight, that equates to about $9700 per year, less than the cost of the interest on the loan. And even that return would not be guaranteed. Flock to Flock Contracts There is no such thing as a long-term contract in poultry. Even when growers think they have a signed agreement for a multi-year contract, the company will often come back with a new, shorter and less favorable version of the contract. Either you sign or you get no new birds. Again, if you don't get birds, you can't make your mortgage payment and then you risk losing your farm in bankruptcy. It is becoming more and more common that growers are actually given "flock to flock" contracts, meaning that they can terminate you at any time. Remember, most growers have made investments of about $500,000 to $1 million. If they knew going in that the guarantee of income would be for one 7-to-9 week flock, would any grower have made that investment? No. Arbitration Clauses And perhaps one of the most abusive contract clauses that growers are facing currently is the mandatory arbitration clause. As poultry growers in the 1980s and 1990s started to win lawsuits against poultry companies over contract abuses, companies started to present new contracts to their growers. These new contracts included little-understood provisions that essentially said that growers were waiving their right to take the company to court for any reason. Instead, the growers would be given access to a private system called mandatory arbitration, where a private group of arbitrators would hear their case and render a decision. But the up-front costs of this process are prohibitive. Some growers have been handed bills for as much as $20,000 just to get an arbitration hearing. In some cases, these upfront costs are actually in excess of the claim itself. Further, unlike a public court process, there is limited right of discovery in arbitration, meaning that the grower can not get access to the evidence that they need to prove their case. And lastly, the outcome of an arbitration proceeding is not public, so the horror stories that are commonplace in poultry are kept under wraps.

In the mid-1990s, a grower by the name of Tom Greene and 38 other Alabama contract poultry growers were pressured by their poultry company to sign a new contract that included a mandatory arbitration clause. As described in the 1999 Baltimore Sun article I mentioned earlier: "The farmers said the company's new contract was unfair and a ticket to the poorhouse. Local bankers agreed… [T]he farmers refused to sign. They might as well have challenged a tank squadron with pitchforks. In the year that followed, ConAgra defied or intimidated nearly every institution that usually calls the shots in small-town America. The banks surrendered. The local newspaper softened its punches. Government regulators watched but did nothing, prompting one state investigator to quit in exasperation. Real estate agents sensed a raw deal but fearfully kept their mouths shut Of the 39 growers who first stood up to the company, 20 quickly caved in and signed the contract they despised. The other 19 tried to sell their farms, but ConAgra undermined every offer to buy. On January 7 [1999], Tom Greene became the third farmer to low his land to foreclosure.

In a more recent example in Mississippi, 67 year old Gertrude Overstreet, a contract poultry grower since 1976, was alleging that her poultry company had violated the terms of their agreement, and she wanted to have her case heard in court. Mrs Overstreet only had two chicken houses so her income before her termination was minimal as shown in the court record. However the company had previously added an arbitration clause to her contract that would require her to pay over $ 20,000 in up-front costs before she could get an arbitration hearing. In a rare occurrence, the U.S. District Court recognized the injustice of this arbitration clause and ruled that it was unconscionable and therefore unenforceable. The Court reiterated in its opinion that Mrs. Overstreet and her husband's total monthly income, including food stamps was less that $ 1000 per month. The Court further stated that Mrs. Oversteet only had a 10th grade education, had no savings or property, real or personal, other than a car and miscellaneous household appliances. Mrs. Overstreet's testimony that no one from the poultry company had ever explained arbitration to her and she had no idea about the cost of arbitration went uncontested by the poultry company. Additionally, the Court's opinion stated that the Oversteets' could not even afford to buy their required medications which were prescribed for them by their doctors. Mr. Overstreet has since passed away. The District Judge in his opinion stated simply that "My conscience is shocked." The poultry company appealed the Judge's ruling and amazingly, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals panel overturned the District Judge's opinion. This should shock any reasonable person's conscience. Why is this Permitted to Happen? First, in any situation where one party has total control over another, the opportunity for abuse is great. Second, unlike other contact relationships, such as real estate contracts or car contracts, poultry contract relationships are largely unregulated.

While the Packers and Stockyards Act makes it unlawful for a livestock packer or live poultry dealer "to engage in or use any unfair, unjustly discriminatory or deceptive practice or device, or to give any unreasonable advantage to any particular person or locality," it does not give USDA the administrative enforcement authority to take action against a poultry company. In contrast, when violations of the Act are discovered in the livestock industry, GIPSA has the authority to take administrative actions, including holding hearings and assessing civil and criminal penalties. However, GIPSA does not have this administrative enforcement authority in the poultry industry.

When violations of the Act are discovered in the poultry industry, GIPSA can only issue an order to cease illegal conduct. In extreme cases, GIPSA can send the complaint to the Justice Department. From the poultry company's perspective, breaking the law and increasing company profits through fraudulent or deceptive practices carries little financial or legal risk.

In addition, even the limited authority that USDA does have in the poultry sector does not apply to protection for breeder hen or pullet growers, even though those growers are a vital part of that poultry production process and equally vulnerable to abuse. Without question, USDA's Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Agency can and should be more aggressive in pursuing abuses in the poultry sector. But we must also acknowledge that they do not have as much authority as the need to do that job well.

In reality, there is no cop on the beat for poultry growers.

What's the Solution?

Senators Harkin and Enzi have introduced legislation (S.622) that addresses many of the concerns that I raised in my testimony. The bill would:

1) Close the "poultry loophole" by amending the Packers and Stockyards Act to give USDA the full authority to enforce against poultry companies that use unfair and deceptive trade practices against poultry growers. It would also provide protection for breeder hen and pullet growers, not just broiler growers.

2) Clarify that the Packers and Stockyards Act provides protection to producers for unfair, deceptive, and anti-competitive practices, without them having to prove an effect on competition. This is necessary in light of a recent court decision that suggests that competitive harm must be shown to the market more broadly before a farmer can be granted relief under the Act.

3) Amend the Agricultural Fair Practices Act to close loopholes that have made the Act difficult for USDA to enforce, and would set minimum contract standards of fairness for agricultural contracts. Specifically-

- it would prohibit pre-dispute, mandatory arbitration clauses, and would assure that decisions to pursue arbitration are voluntary. (Senators Grassley and Feingold have introduced similar legislation on this topic, which is also being addressed in the Judiciary Committee)

- it would specify that if growers were required to make major capital investments for purposes of servicing an agricultural contract, that they could have their contracts terminated without 180 days of forewarning, and that they be told the reason for the termination and be given the right to remedy the problem.

- It would further specify that a grower can't be forced to make an equipment upgrade at their own expense, unless both parties to the contract agree ahead of time and the company fairly compensates for the expense. - 4) And perhaps most importantly, the Harkin bill would require companies to bargain in good faith with producer associations, so that competition can truly work and farmers can have the leverage to bargain for fair contracts, instead of having a take-it-or-leave it contract forced on them. Closing

As a poultry farmer from Alabama, I am honored to be here today providing this testimony. But at the same time, it is a sad commentary on the state of our nation that I had to seriously consider whether or not my testimony here today would put me in financial jeopardy because of retaliation.

In no way am I arguing that contacting is a bad thing. Contracts are vital to the economy in this country. But it also vital that basic standards of fair dealing apply to contract relationships.

The poultry model of contract production is spreading rapidly into other sectors of agriculture- hogs, tobacco, peanuts, specialty grains, and others. While the issues of market concentration and loss of competition may be presenting themselves differently in different sectors of agriculture, all of these manifestations are examples of that same problem.

Therefore, over 200 organizations sent a letter to this Committee in January of this year, urging that a comprehensive competition title in the 2007 Farm Bill. The letter spelled out 8 specific legislative solutions to this problem, including those in the Harkin-Enzi bill that I mentioned above. But it also included many other proposals of great importance to hog farmers and cattle ranchers. A copy of that letter is attached to my written statement.

It is my hope that this Committee will include all of these provisions when the Farm Bill is drafted later this year.

Thank you. January 18, 2007

The Honorable Tom Harkin Chairman, Senate Committee on Agriculture, Forestry and Nutrition

The Honorable Saxby Chambliss Ranking Member, Senate Committee on Agriculture, Forestry and Nutrition

The Honorable Collin Peterson Chairman, House Committee on Agriculture

The Honorable Bob Goodlatte Ranking Member, House Committee on Agriculture

The Honorable Patrick Leahy Chairman, Senate Committee on the Judiciary

The Honorable Arlen Specter Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Judiciary

The Honorable John Conyers, Jr. Chairman, House Committee on the Judiciary

The Honorable Lamar S. Smith Ranking Member, House Committee on the Judiciary

Dear Chairmen and Ranking Members:

The over 200 undersigned organizations strongly urge you to make the issues of agricultural competition and market concentration a top priority as Congress considers the crafting of agricultural legislation and the next Farm Bill. During the 2002 Farm Bill debates, public testimony provided clear and compelling evidence of the need for free market competition and fairness for the nation's farmers and ranchers. Since that time these concerns have become even more urgent and prominent in the public eye.

Today, a small handful of corporations overwhelmingly dominate our food supply. The concentration of market control in the top four firms in U.S. food retailing, grain processing, red meat processing, poultry processing, milk processing, and nearly every category of food manufacturing is at an all time high. Corporate mergers and buyouts have concentrated the power of these firms and increased their ability to unfairly manipulate market conditions in their favor. This unprecedented level of horizontal market consolidation effectively eliminates free market competition to the detriment of independent family farmers and consumers.

Compounding the problem associated with horizontal consolidation is the rapid trend toward vertical integration. Manufacturers, processors, and packers increasingly control all stages of production and inventory through commodity ownership and one-sided contracts. This corporate control of production unnecessarily eliminates market transparency, creating an environment ripe for price manipulation and discrimination. It replaces farm-level decision making with centralized corporate planning and leaves farmers trapped in long-term debts tied to short-term, non-negotiable production contracts. In addition, top retailers and packers increasingly engage in relationships with dominant suppliers that exclude smaller competitors and minimize price competition. Because both supply and demand are controlled by the same few players in the market, the basic principles of supply and demand cannot function.

A critical role of government is to ensure fairness by facilitating properly operating markets and balance in the economic relationships among farmers/ranchers, consumers and food companies. Currently, inadequate federal legislation and the lack of enforcement of anti-trust policies allow a handful of corporations to continue to consolidate market power, manipulate prices, and create anti-competitive market structures. Federal government inaction has a dramatic, negative impact on not only farmers and ranchers, but also on rural communities, the environment, food quality, food safety, and consumer prices. It undermines sustainable production practices and state and local laws that support family-scale, sustainable farm and ranch operations.

Policy makers often voice the laudable policy goals of maintaining a diverse, farm-and-ranch-based production sector and providing consumers with a nutritious, affordable food supply. However, government failure to redress industry concentration--both vertical and horizontal--is thwarting these policy goals and driving the earnings of farmers and ranchers down and consumer prices up.

To address these problems, we urge you to champion a strong, comprehensive Competition Title in the 2007 Farm Bill. We also ask that you co-sponsor and support any of the following measures of this comprehensive package if they are introduced as separate or combined bills and to work for speedy congressional consideration of these proposals.

? LIMIT PACKER CONTROL/MANIPULATION OF LIVESTOCK MARKETS

1. Captive Supply Reform Act: This legislation will bring secret, long-term contracts between packers and producers into the open and create a market for these contracts. The Captive Supply Reform Act would restore competition by making packers (and livestock producers) bid against each other to win contracts. Currently, formula contracts and marketing agreements are negotiated in secret, where packers have all the information and power. These formula contracts and agreements depress prices and shut small and independent producers out of markets. The Captive Supply Reform Act would require such contracts to be traded in open, public markets to which all buyers and sellers have access.

2. Prohibition on Packer-Owned Livestock: Meat packers such as Tyson, Cargill, and Smithfield Foods use packer-owned livestock as a major tool for exerting unfair market power over farmers and ranchers. This practice fosters industrial livestock production and freezes independent farmers out of the markets. Packer-owned livestock has been proven to artificially lower farm gate prices to farmers and ranchers while consumer food prices continue to rise. By prohibiting direct ownership of livestock by major meatpackers, a packer ban addresses a significant percentage of the problem of captive supply which packers use to manipulate markets, and would help increase market access for America's independent producers who currently experience great restrictions in market access due in part to packer ownership of livestock.

? INCREASE FAIRNESS IN AGRICULTURAL CONTRACTS AND MARKETS

3. Fairness Standards for Agricultural Contracts: In order to address the worst abuses contained in processor-drafted contracts, legislation that provides a set of minimum standards for contract fairness is urgently needed. Such standards should include at a minimum the following:

(a) prohibition of the use of forced, mandatory arbitration clauses, which have been used by some packers or integrators to force growers to give up their access to the courts, even in the case of fraud, breach of contract, misrepresentation or other blatant contract abuses by the integrator or packer firm; (b) clear disclosure of producer risks; (c) full prohibition on confidentiality clauses; (d) recapture of capital investment so that contracts that require a significant capital investment by the producer cannot be capriciously canceled without compensation; and (e) a ban on unfair or deceptive trade practices, including "tournament" or "ranking system" payment.

4. Clarification of "Undue Preferences" in the Packers & Stockyards Act (PSA): Packers commonly make unjustified, preferential deals that provide unfair economic advantages to large-scale agriculture production over smaller family owned and sustainable farms. Courts have found current undue preference legal standards virtually impossible to enforce. Additional legislative language is needed in the PSA to strengthen the law and clarify that preferential pricing structures (those that provide different prices to different producers) are justified only for real differences in product value or actual and quantifiable differences in acquisition and transaction costs. Specifically, we are asking to:

(a) Make clear that farmers damaged by packer/processor unfair and deceptive practices need not prove "harm to competition" to receive a remedy. (b) Make clear that "pro-competitive effects" or "legitimate business justifications" are not recognized packer defendant defenses, and not necessary for farmer-plaintiffs to prove the absence of, in a court case under the PSA. (c) Require courts to award attorneys fees to successful producer plaintiffs under the PSA.

5. Closing Poultry Loopholes in the Packers & Stockyards Act (PSA): USDA does not currently have the authority under the PSA to bring enforcement actions against poultry dealers. Poultry producers should have the same basic enforcement protection that is offered to livestock producers when packers and livestock dealers violate the PSA. We seek legislation to clarify that USDA has authority over PSA violations involving poultry dealers in their relations with all poultry growers, including those who raise pullets or breeder hens as well as broiler producers. The PSA enforcement loophole for poultry dealers should be closed. 6. Bargaining Rights for Farmers: Loopholes should be closed in the Agricultural Fair Practices Act of 1967 (AFPA) and processors should be required to bargain in good faith with producer organizations. The AFPA was enacted to ensure that livestock and poultry producers could join associations and market their products collectively without fear of retribution by processors. These goals have not been attained due to loopholes in that Act. Retaliation by processors is commonplace in some sectors. Legislation should be enacted that promotes bargaining rights and prevents processor retaliation.

? ASSURE ADEQUATE MARKET INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY FOR PRODUCERS AND CONSUMERS

7. Livestock Mandatory Price Reporting: The Livestock Mandatory Price Reporting Act of 1999 (LMPRA) requires packers, processors, and importers to provide price, contracting, supply and demand information to USDA, which then uses the information to create price reports for livestock producers. Since its implementation, bureaucratic inertia has blocked effective enforcement of the LMPRA and prevented the Act from operating to benefit independent livestock producers. The Government Accountability Office, at the request of Senators Harkin (D-IA) and Grassley (R-IA), has reviewed USDA implementation of the Act. In December 2005, the GAO issued a report documenting lengthy lag times for USDA corrections to missing or incorrect information from packers, and the failure of USDA to inform the public about violations of the Act revealed in USDA audits. The LMPRA was reauthorized in September 2006 without including GAO recommendations to improve the Act. If USDA does not implement these recommendations, Congress should amend the Livestock Mandatory Price Reporting Act in 2007 by incorporating the GAO report recommendations as legislative directives to USDA in implementing the Act.

8. Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling: Country of origin labeling (COOL) for beef, lamb, fresh fruits, fish and shellfish was passed as a provision of the 2002 Farm Bill. Mandatory COOL for the fish and shellfish commodities was implemented by USDA in April of 2005, but COOL implementation for all other commodities has been successfully stymied by the meatpackers and retailers. Country of origin labeling is a popular measure that allows consumers to determine where their food is produced and also enables U.S. producers to showcase their products for quality and safety. It also limits the ability of global food companies to source farm products from other countries and pass them off as U.S. in origin. Congress should reauthorize COOL to reiterate its benefits to producers and consumers and should provide funding to ensure that USDA undertakes immediate implementation of COOL.

In conclusion, farmers, ranchers, and consumers across the country are asking for these legislative reforms to ensure fair markets and a competitive share for family farmers and ranchers of the $900 billion dollars that consumers pay into the food and agriculture economy annually. Market reforms remain a key ingredient for rural revitalization and meaningful consumer choice. The legislative reforms summarized above are key to achieving the goals of promoting an economically healthy and diverse agricultural production sector and providing consumers with healthy, affordable food.

Thank you.
 
Now lets see if our representatives have the courage to address the problems, I hope so, but I have my doubts. The root of all evil, the LOVE of money.
 
Collin Peterson in the House, is giving packers time to respond. They are hiring former chair, Charlie Stenholm, to lobby Congress. Charlie lost his seat in Congress, ostensibly because of redistricting in Texas, but it could be because he has been on the wrong side of issues coming before him as Chairman. Hiring him when he did nothing to correct these issues when he chaired the committee shows exactly what Peterson is trying to do----play politics. Perhaps that is the real reason Stenholm lost his seat. He was a part of the Democrat's good old boys club and that is why he is being hired by packers to influence them. He should have no more access before the committee and Congress than Scot Hamilton---and hold less weight, since he ignored these problems before. It is part of the revolving door that has mis-served this country and helped sell out our democracy. Peterson is looking for cover and Stenholm just might try to provide it. Peterson could find himself in the same position as Stenholm if he does the same things.
 
Collin Peterson, chairman in the House, is giving packers time to respond. They are hiring former chair, Charlie Stenholm, to lobby Congress. Charlie lost his seat in Congress, ostensibly because of redistricting in Texas, but it could be because he has been on the wrong side of issues coming before him as Chairman. Hiring him when he did nothing to correct these issues when he chaired the committee shows exactly what Peterson is trying to do----play politics. Perhaps that is the real reason Stenholm lost his seat. He was a part of the Democrat's good old boys club and that is why he is being hired by packers to influence them. He should have no more access before the committee and Congress than Scot Hamilton---and hold less weight, since he ignored these problems before. It is part of the revolving door that has mis-served this country and helped sell out our democracy. Peterson is looking for cover and Stenholm just might try to provide it. Peterson could find himself in the same position as Stenholm if he does the same things.
 
Ben Roberts said:
And the poultry industry, will say goodby USA, and hello Mexico!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

If we don't have a government that recognizes that we need to secure our food supplies here at home by now, they need to be replaced along with their globalists pals.
 
Ben Roberts said:
And the poultry industry, will say goodby USA, and hello Mexico!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

If our two choices are to bend over and take it hard and dry or everything gets shipped to Mexico, then we have serious, serious problems in this country.
 
Econ101 said:
Ben Roberts said:
And the poultry industry, will say goodby USA, and hello Mexico!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

If we don't have a government that recognizes that we need to secure our food supplies here at home by now, they need to be replaced along with their globalists pals.
Are you saying you would favor government control of our beef industry?
 
Red Robin said:
Econ101 said:
Ben Roberts said:
And the poultry industry, will say goodby USA, and hello Mexico!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

If we don't have a government that recognizes that we need to secure our food supplies here at home by now, they need to be replaced along with their globalists pals.
Are you saying you would favor government control of our beef industry?

Goverment is supposed to be in control of anti-trust matters whatever the industry!

Who else has the authority?

Yes, all they have to do is enforce those regulations we have now.
 
Red Robin said:
Mike how will anti-trust lawsuits brought by the govt. keep the packers from going to SA?

You can't stop anyone from doing business in another country, but if you stop them from going outside the U.S. and importing back to here with unfettered access would be one simple solution to curb their enthusiasm.

Your question:
Are you saying you would favor government control of our beef industry?

Are you saying that the USDA does not have control of our beef industry?

Hint: Think Creekstone and Korea & Jap Beef Exports. They have royally screwed it up too.
 
Mike said:
Red Robin said:
Mike how will anti-trust lawsuits brought by the govt. keep the packers from going to SA?

You can't stop anyone from doing business in another country, but if you stop them from going outside the U.S. and importing back to here with unfettered access would be one simple solution to curb their enthusiasm.

Your question:
Are you saying you would favor government control of our beef industry?

Are you saying that the USDA does not have control of our beef industry?

Hint: Think Creekstone and Korea & Jap Beef Exports. They have royally screwed it up too.
I agree Mike, they have too many constraints on the beef industry as it is. Take the fetters off and let them play ball however they choose.
 
Red Robin said:
Econ101 said:
Ben Roberts said:
And the poultry industry, will say goodby USA, and hello Mexico!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

If we don't have a government that recognizes that we need to secure our food supplies here at home by now, they need to be replaced along with their globalists pals.

Are you saying you would favor government control of our beef industry?

RR, how do you come up with a question like that???????????????

How do you equate demanding that our government enforce the laws we have as wanting Federal government control?

What things do you consider essential to our national security to protect our national sovernity?

How is it you fear government control, but don't show the same fear of control by a few corporations?
 
Mike Quote,You can't stop anyone from doing business in another country, but if you stop them from going outside the U.S. and importing back to here with unfettered access would be one simple solution to curb their enthusiasm.

Agreed,and with full traceback RECORDS as provided by the FDA Bioterrorism Law.
 
RobertMac said:
Red Robin said:
Econ101 said:
If we don't have a government that recognizes that we need to secure our food supplies here at home by now, they need to be replaced along with their globalists pals.

Are you saying you would favor government control of our beef industry?

RR, how do you come up with a question like that???????????????

How do you equate demanding that our government enforce the laws we have as wanting Federal government control?

What things do you consider essential to our national security to protect our national sovernity?

How is it you fear government control, but don't show the same fear of control by a few corporations?
Lets keep the "fear" where it belongs Robert. I'm not afraid of VI, I think it'll improve the beef industry. Secondly , I'm not afraid of the packers, more likely than not one of the big 5 packers will buy my cattle at some point. Lastly I am not afraid of my govt. , you are the one saying they are bought off by the packers. I do however think commerce works better without excessive regulation or control. If creekstone wants to test, let them. If Smithfield wants to move to SA, let them. If they want to VI, let them. If you want to pack yours locally and sell them, you should be able to. Follow the thread Robert. Ben said that US companies will go to Mexico. Econ said that the the govt. should recognize that we need a secure food supply. I take that to mean that he would be for our govt. banning them from moving to SA. , hence my question. Is that hard for you to follow?
 
Sandhusker said:
Robin, how has V.I. helped the chicken industry?
All I can speak to is what has happened here sandhusker. There wasn't a viable chicken industry to my knowledge. I live in a previously very , very poor area. The chickens were skinny and lived on bugs and sour mash after it had been through a hog probably. VI has created the chicken industry here in NW Arkansas. It's dumped millions and millions of dollars into our local economy. It's created hundreds or I guess thousands of jobs. It has turned pastures that were once dog fennel and sage grass into very productive realestate with a grass base that is unsurpassed on a soil base that is very marginal. I'm sure it wasn't the answer you were looking for but it's a real one.
 
So went the chicken industry, So goes the Beef industry, right before our eyes.
IF you had an 18 wheeler load of chickens given to you , where would you sell them? NO WHERE! There is no open market for chickens! You must go through one of the big companies that are NOT going to buy your chickens, for fear of promoting YOUR business, NOT theirs!
Look at all the smaller sale barns, (and some not so small) disappearing around the country! Look at all the independent Packing companies in the little towns all out of business now. (Due to industry regs that were not affordable to the smaller ones) Listen to all the hype of "standardised beef" quality, and retained ownership....and all the other programs designed to make it Non profitable for the small operators, and family farms! As soon as the industry loses all the small sale barns, and packers (small packers are mostly all gone now, compaired to numbers 15 yrs ago) the Beef business will be in the same place the Chicken industry is right now! That is not were anyone wants to be...but that is where we are headed! Do we think the Big Packers will be much more kind and just to the Cattle industry than the Chicken Giants are to the chicken producers?
When we become so afraid of Big business that we let them run over us, rather than stand up Togther for what is right and Just for the producers, we have lost already.
Let the big Chicken Packers go to Mexico, if that is their threat, and then lets BAN Mexican chicken in the US, and lets take back our rights. Beef will be the same way soon, and it will not be a pretty sight when you are told how many cows you can run, and what bulls to use and when to breed them.
We are giving up our rights without a fight...everyday..to crooks and politians that are taking them...FAST!
Just my thoughts
Ross
 

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