That darn Dittmer!

[Bill]

So Reader your telling us that you can't prove him wrong but you don't like him so therefore he must be.

Tell you what, BMR, I'll bet you your $100 to R-CALF vs my $100 to who ever you choose that reader can find more than one thing that Dittmer is wrong about. Money talks.....Dittmer walks. Are you a talker or a walker?

Diverting the task to reader2 of proving Dittmer wrong Sandhusker? I checked the archives and you haven't been able to.

 

[Sandhusker]

So Reader your telling us that you can't prove him wrong but you don't like him so therefore he must be.

Tell you what, BMR, I'll bet you your $100 to R-CALF vs my $100 to who ever you choose that reader can find more than one thing that Dittmer is wrong about. Money talks.....Dittmer walks. Are you a talker or a walker?

Diverting the task to reader2 of proving Dittmer wrong Sandhusker? I checked the archives and you haven't been able to.

You had better check again. :roll: Maybe you would like to put a little wager on it? We'll see just how much you believe in Dittmer.

 

[Bill]

Tell you what, BMR, I'll bet you your $100 to R-CALF vs my $100 to who ever you choose that reader can find more than one thing that Dittmer is wrong about. Money talks.....Dittmer walks. Are you a talker or a walker?

Diverting the task to reader2 of proving Dittmer wrong Sandhusker? I checked the archives and you haven't been able to.

You had better check again. :roll: Maybe you would like to put a little wager on it? We'll see just how much you believe in Dittmer.

Same old line as usual eh Sandhusker. It's in the archives but you or anyone else can't find it?

The simple question has been not answered.

Is Dittmer wrong about Cox.

 

[Econ101]

Bill, BMR, what has dittmer said about the OIG report on GIPSA?

I don't search for Dittmer's articles they are sent to me by his organization and I only post the ones I know are of interest to this site.

I have no idea what Dittmer said about the OIG report on GIPSA so please enlighten us.

Bill, I think the OIG report on GIPSA is much more important than the article you brought up, and much more revealing. Again, if this is a reporter, he should be unbiased and we should see some reporting on the investigation. If you are trying to bring up a guy who is paid by packers to thwart any organization that opposes them, what purpose does it serve?

Since you brought up the article, what circumstances surrounded the quotation marks? Were they his own personal notes or were they in a report to the FDA? How exactly was the source "quoted"?

 

[Sandhusker]

Diverting the task to reader2 of proving Dittmer wrong Sandhusker? I checked the archives and you haven't been able to.

You had better check again. :roll: Maybe you would like to put a little wager on it? We'll see just how much you believe in Dittmer.

Same old line as usual eh Sandhusker. It's in the archives but you or anyone else can't find it?

The simple question has been not answered.

Is Dittmer wrong about Cox.

I can find it quite easily. Maybe you can't figure out how to search the archives?

I don't know if Dittmer is wrong about Cox. Based on his other articles, I would not bet a nickle on him being right about anything.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

You had better check again. :roll: Maybe you would like to put a little wager on it? We'll see just how much you believe in Dittmer.

Same old line as usual eh Sandhusker. It's in the archives but you or anyone else can't find it?

The simple question has been not answered.

Is Dittmer wrong about Cox.

I can find it quite easily. Maybe you can't figure out how to search the archives?

I don't know if Dittmer is wrong about Cox. Based on his other articles, I would not bet a nickle on him being right about anything.

Yea but you won't prove him wrong. :cowboy:

 

[Sandhusker]

Same old line as usual eh Sandhusker. It's in the archives but you or anyone else can't find it?

The simple question has been not answered.

Is Dittmer wrong about Cox.

I can find it quite easily. Maybe you can't figure out how to search the archives?

I don't know if Dittmer is wrong about Cox. Based on his other articles, I would not bet a nickle on him being right about anything.

Yea but you won't prove him wrong. :cowboy:

I've proved him wrong on more than one statement. I even started a new thread so it would be easy to find in the archives when you short-memory folks challenged me to prove him wrong again.

Follow a clown, you'll be a clown.

 

[ranch hand]

Steve Dittmer has nearly 30 years experience in management, marketing, and communications in the beef industry. He co-published CALF News magazine for nearly 20 years. His column, "Ruminatin,'" garnered a national following for gathering facts, analyzing situations and laying out implications and options for readers to digest. He emphasized the benefits of other industry sectors as partners rather than enemies and evaluation of everything in terms of the ultimate customer. Also co-owned a contract publishing company. Past experience included beef council CEO, association communications director and small-time rancher.

Was member of Beef Industry Council Advertising Committee that developed the first-ever beef industry national television ad campaign and industry's first Long Range Planning Committee.

Education - B.S. with distinction in Animal Science, Specialty in journalism, Ohio State University.

 

[Bill]

Looks like Dittmer has done a he(( of a lot more for the beef/cattle industry than many of his detractors.

 

[Econ101]

Looks like Dittmer has done a he(( of a lot more for the beef/cattle industry than many of his detractors.

You mean like helping consolidate the industry and not speak out against the abuses? I spoke to dittmer some time ago. He is as one sided as they get. I would still like to know why. Maybe his confidential sources of funding could be a clue.

 

[Sandhusker]

Looks like Dittmer has done a he(( of a lot more for the beef/cattle industry than many of his detractors.

Yeah, he was on a committe once..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[mrj]

So.......do all you malcontents believe that the ALJ was lying when he says Cox "intentionally misquoted published articles"?

Do you believe it is ever permissible to add quotation marks to something because "it seemed to ban an important concept", and you are trying to affect a legal decision?

Do you all believe it is wrong for ranchers and others producing food to join together to find out who is attacking our industry in an attempt to defuse their attacks?

Could it be that the LAG label gets applied to R-CALF because they did partner with several LAG's when it served their purpose to get wide based publicity for their 'Press Releases' and ads attempting to instill fear in the highest possible numbers of consumers over the safety of Canadian beef?

MRJ

 

[Sandhusker]

So.......do all you malcontents believe that the ALJ was lying when he says Cox "intentionally misquoted published articles"?

Do you believe it is ever permissible to add quotation marks to something because "it seemed to ban an important concept", and you are trying to affect a legal decision?

Do you all believe it is wrong for ranchers and others producing food to join together to find out who is attacking our industry in an attempt to defuse their attacks?

Could it be that the LAG label gets applied to R-CALF because they did partner with several LAG's when it served their purpose to get wide based publicity for their 'Press Releases' and ads attempting to instill fear in the highest possible numbers of consumers over the safety of Canadian beef?

MRJ

You know, MRJ, if the author was saying a NCBA person did something shady, you would be posting how you are reserving judgement until you know the proper context and the whole story....

I'd say the LAG label, or any other for that matter, is subjective. Not long ago, Tam was trying to label one of the people R-CALF sided with - I think Consumer's Union as anti-beef (I think this was a defend Dittmer deal, come to think of it), but there was nothing on their website that would support the contention that they were anti-beef. There were even several articles on beef, but nothing at all that said to not eat it. Dittmer was wrong, Tam was wrong, and whoever labels groups may be wrong, too.

Did you forget about NCBA partnering with Nature Conservancy? Are they entirely rancher friendly?

 

[Tam]

We are up to Four pages now and not one shred of evidence that the orginal article was wrong. Lots of discrediting remarks as usual about the author but not one point to convince anyone that Dittmer is wrong about Cox. :roll: :lol:

 

[Mike]

Dr. Louis Anthony Cox Jr. on BSE in US and Canada:

http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2004-4/grabbag/2004-4-12.htm

 

[Econ101]

We are up to Four pages now and not one shred of evidence that the orginal article was wrong. Lots of discrediting remarks as usual about the author but not one point to convince anyone that Dittmer is wrong about Cox. :roll: :lol:

Where is the shred of evidence that he was right, Tam? Even if he was right, what does that have to do with anything important?

 

[Mike]

Dr. Lester Crawford:

"I agree with the ALJ that Dr. Cox's credibility was such that his testimony was so unreliable that it was inadmissible.

Tam wrote:
We are up to Four pages now and not one shred of evidence that the orginal article was wrong. Lots of discrediting remarks as usual about the author but not one point to convince anyone that Dittmer is wrong about Cox.

If Dittmer or anyone takes Dr. Crawford as the truth and gospel he is far off the mark. He was the FDA head honcho that allowed Merck to bamboozle the FDA with false test results on Vioxx. We all know how that turned out.

He resigned just a couple of months after being confirmed. :shock: :shock:

 

[Mike]

I don't know what happened with Crawford that he was gone so soon, but it can't be good. Either family problems or he got sick of all of it or he got canned.

If you will remember, his confirmation hearings were pure hell because of an office affair. The Vioxx thing must've put him over the edge.

Ted Kennedy was supporting him 100%. That ain't a good sign... :lol: :lol:

 

[Bill]

We are up to Four pages now and not one shred of evidence that the orginal article was wrong. Lots of discrediting remarks as usual about the author but not one point to convince anyone that Dittmer is wrong about Cox. :roll: :lol:

Where is the shred of evidence that he was right, Tam? Even if he was right, what does that have to do with anything important?

Did you read the article?

Now, the judge didn't say Cox was mistaken, he said Cox "intentionally misquoted published articles."

A nice way of the judge saying Cox LIED. For whatever reason, R-Calfs source of information LIED!

As far as as the "shred of evidence" Dittmer is right?

Whatever happened to the presumption of innocense until proven guilty? Prove somone right?
:roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

We are up to Four pages now and not one shred of evidence that the orginal article was wrong. Lots of discrediting remarks as usual about the author but not one point to convince anyone that Dittmer is wrong about Cox. :roll: :lol:

Where is the shred of evidence that he was right, Tam? Even if he was right, what does that have to do with anything important?

Did you read the article?

Now, the judge didn't say Cox was mistaken, he said Cox "intentionally misquoted published articles."

A nice way of the judge saying Cox LIED. For whatever reason, R-Calfs source of information LIED!

As far as as the "shred of evidence" Dittmer is right?

Whatever happened to the presumption of innocense until proven guilty? Prove somone right?
:roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Bill- If you use being accused of a lie or incorrect/false info as a standard- half your Politicians, NCBA, AMI, the Big Packers or any of the others that pay Dittmer to spread his stories shouldn't ever be listened to...And in the case of the Tysons etal, several of them have even been convicted of crimes involving deceit and fraud- but they are the ones telling Dittmer what to say....