Sandhusker
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""I've told the truth" to the USDA investigator, Vandyke said.
The 7 Canadian Calves
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cowsense said:
Cowsense-- If the system is working- then why were the 7 head condemned and destroyed?, how could they be mixed with US cattle and be mistaken in a working system?, do you think taking 2 months to find when/where the animals came in is adequate?, what will happen the next time we find a problem- since the USDA is unable/not tracking and Canada refuses to assist?.....
However these cattle came to be- this incident has awakened many cattlemen to what I understand has been a problem for sometime--USDA laxity in enforcement of the rulesand inability to enforce them and Canada's unflexible inability/denial to help with our quarantine issues....
don
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ot: If the system is working- then why were the 7 head condemned and destroyed?, how could they be mixed with US cattle and be mistaken in a working system?,
guess what ot? they were taking your advice and erring on the side of caution. if these cattle had been smuggled in, the proper procedure was followed. now go wipe the egg(?) off your face.
guess what ot? they were taking your advice and erring on the side of caution. if these cattle had been smuggled in, the proper procedure was followed. now go wipe the egg(?) off your face.
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don said:
No egg on me--had oatmeal :wink: :lol: If the system was unflawed and working like it was supposed to there never would have been this incident ...
If those cattle had just came across the numbers should have been easily crossmatched with the shipper manifest numbers to determine ownership--easy and much more sensible then destroying them...
But then we would not have been able to find out that USDA is not doing their job and has no workable tracking system for even these cattle-- so definitely would be unable to track older cattle going all over the country...
And we also would not have found out that Canada is not going to cooperate in quarantine situations--which makes their ID worthless to the US...
Oldtimer said:
It looks to most of us like R-Klan went out of its way to try and test the system in a fraudalant PR stunt and failed. The system is working and the plant leaned towards the side of caution.
A bit of advice Oldtimer. Look in the mirror........that ain't oatmeal on your face.
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If the Packers and the USDA inspectors are that scared of Canuck cattle, then maybe we shouldn't be letting any in... Definitely must be VERY HIGH RISK :wink: :lol:
Sandhusker
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Holy Dilusional Paranoia, Batman! The "R-CALF is the Boogey Man Clan" is out in full force! R-CALF has to retract statements they didn't make? R-CALF is trying to manufacture ammunition to keep the border closed? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Here's the deal, guys. Even if you believe the USDA's story, which has more red flags than a Soviet May Day parade, the USDA themselves have supplied better ammunition than could be made up! Rick Fox says we've got a problem tracking Canadian cattle. Well, when a packer loses track of 7 Canadian calves in less than 24 hours and then it takes the USDA two months to decide there was just a "simple mix-up", we've got a problem! Does it matter if they're lost at the border or lost at the packer? They got lost! That isn't supposed to happen anywhere in the system! And then the packer can't figure out who lost 7 head in less than 24 hours? They need the USDA to figure it out?
Here's the deal, guys. Even if you believe the USDA's story, which has more red flags than a Soviet May Day parade, the USDA themselves have supplied better ammunition than could be made up! Rick Fox says we've got a problem tracking Canadian cattle. Well, when a packer loses track of 7 Canadian calves in less than 24 hours and then it takes the USDA two months to decide there was just a "simple mix-up", we've got a problem! Does it matter if they're lost at the border or lost at the packer? They got lost! That isn't supposed to happen anywhere in the system! And then the packer can't figure out who lost 7 head in less than 24 hours? They need the USDA to figure it out?
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I think SDSGA deserves an ATTA BOY for standing up for its member and getting him paid the money he was owed...To me that is why you belong to cattlemens organizations- to represent and assist you when you need it....
I think SDSGA deserves an ATTA BOY for standing up for its member and getting him paid the money he was owed...To me that is why you belong to cattlemens organizations- to represent and assist you when you need it....
cowsense
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OT- You'd better keep on wiping- it's digested male bovine feed that's all over your face. Everything about your claims is turning out to be false; right from illegal Can. cattle stateside; health concerns and that Canada did not aid in the investigation. The probable reason for the length of the investigation is that there is no method of traceback from the salebarn where the feeder calves were purchased and USDA has to tie up all loose ends to complete their investigation! The fact that Swift made full restitution proves that it was an in-plant foulup and that they were willing to accept the consequences of erring on the side of caution.
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cowsense said:
If USDA had a working tracking system they should have just inputted the Canadian numbers and it should have told them who, where, when, and how they were imported into the country...Long before they had to destroy the animals- long before they had to ask Canada for help (which Canada then slapped their face)....It should have never even come down to having to fight to get this feeder his money....
Are we going to have to worry every time we take a cow to slaughter that ours might get mixed with a Canadian one- and that the Packers are going to destroy them all and we won't get paid?
Safer just to keep them out until USDA gets their stuff together...
Sandhusker
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cowsense said:
If they traced the calves to the border, there would be no delay causing investigation concerning the salebarn - they would have no reason to look there, would they? After all, they can place them at the border less than 24 hours to getting lost. Case closed, right?
The fact that Swift finally paid up only shows me they wanted to get this behind them. If this was just an "in-plant foulup", what took so long? Why did the USDA need to get involved? Are Swift's processes in such a mess that they can't keep track of whos calves are whos? They can't offset the feeder's loss of 7 calves with somebody else's gain of 7? Why did it take the USDA two months to do an investigation when it should of taken Swift less than a day to figure it out themselves? Boy, Swift must be a complete mess!
cowsense
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Sandhusker- Reread my post.........the most probable reason for a long investigation is the need to try and backtrace the "alleged" purchases from a sale barn in an area that doesn't even have brand inspection and no adequate means of traceback. And BTW these animals were not calves but fed yearlings that were proporly documented and delivered in a sealed truck direct to the kill plant! This is just another case of R-calf blowing everything to do with Canadian cattle out of proportion in an attempt to derail Rule 2.
cowsense
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Oldtimer said:
OT; WOULD YOU CARE TO POST CREDIBLE PROOF THAT CANADIAN AUTHORITIES REFUSED CO-OPERATION IN THE INVESTIGATION!
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Tam says she checked with CCIA or someone up there when she was gallivanting around Regina- and they told her that they had received requests both from the Slaughterhouse and the USDA for them to track the Canadian tag numbers and they turned them down- because it didn't meet their diseased animal criteria for releasing info....
Its up to you to decide if Tam is credible.... :wink: :lol:
To me cattle quarantined under BSE is a disease issue and Canada should be cooperating if they want to export these quarantined cattle......
Its up to you to decide if Tam is credible.... :wink: :lol:
To me cattle quarantined under BSE is a disease issue and Canada should be cooperating if they want to export these quarantined cattle......
frenchie
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Sandhusker said:
you got a problem tracking anything...
Kato
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"Proper paperwork: However, Sam Holland, state veterinarian for South Dakota, said the paperwork indicates that tags of the cattle in question were checked at the Canadian border. The proper papers were found at the port of entry, he said Wednesday."
WOW! If these cattle came through Dunseith, things might get a little hot. I know the USDA inspector at the border, and all I can say is Heaven help the poor soul who publicly questions her integrity. She is a legend up here in the cattle, pig, and horse communitites. When she says jump, you ask how high! :shock: :shock:
This particular inspector will turn back a load if you forget to dot an I. She will turn back a load if the trucker isn't polite enough. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Tim, NR, and anyone else here from Manitoba, just ask your vet what it's like to ship through Dunseith. You'll get an earful.
R-Calf may have met it's match here!
WOW! If these cattle came through Dunseith, things might get a little hot. I know the USDA inspector at the border, and all I can say is Heaven help the poor soul who publicly questions her integrity. She is a legend up here in the cattle, pig, and horse communitites. When she says jump, you ask how high! :shock: :shock:
This particular inspector will turn back a load if you forget to dot an I. She will turn back a load if the trucker isn't polite enough. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Tim, NR, and anyone else here from Manitoba, just ask your vet what it's like to ship through Dunseith. You'll get an earful.
R-Calf may have met it's match here!
Sandhusker
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cowsense said:
Reread my post. If they were properly documented and traced to the border, why would any time be spent at the sale barn? Do you keep looking for things after you've found them?
How did R-CALF blow this out of proportion when they didn't have a thing to do with this - never said a word? Besides that, why would R-CALF need to blow anything out of proportion? If the USDA's explaination is true, what we have now is a packer that is failing to follow existing regulations regarding Canadian cattle, can't account for them, and a USDA that needs 2 months to track Canadian animals that have been here less than 24 hours! R-CALF needs to embellish this Larry, Mo, and Curly show? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
R-CALF couldn't make up a better deal if they tried! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sandhusker
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frenchie said:
Kind of makes it foolish to be importing problems, then doesn't it?
