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The Money Behind the National Animal ID System

Liberty Belle

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This article shows where the money to fund NAIS is coming from and I'm upset with organizations that my family has been a part of for generations, like Farm Bureau, that were funding this gigantic government intrusion into OUR business behind our backs.

Check the numbers and refer to the footnotes to see the documentation:
http://naissucks.com/wordpress/?p=366
 
Liberty Belle said:
This article shows where the money to fund NAIS is coming from and I'm upset with organizations that my family has been a part of for generations, like Farm Bureau, that were funding this gigantic government intrusion into OUR business behind our backs.

Check the numbers and refer to the footnotes to see the documentation:
http://naissucks.com/wordpress/?p=366

IM damned mad about it too Liberty Belle,and happy to partner with a pretty girl like you to fight the SOB's :D :D
good luck
 
What do you two plan to do to help animal producers within the USA when a devastating cattle disease is introduced either accidentally or intentionally?

The far fetched smear of NCBA and some of the 'partnering' associated businesses, while far from honest, probably isn't any more so than against any other one of the groups or individuals demonized in that fantasy!

Knowing some of the individuals personally and professionally for some time, and having time to observe their actions, I know they DO have the best interests of cattle producers as a top priority.

If some cannot understand the cattle/beef business well enough to understand that fact, nor be willing to trust anyone with a Ph.D behind their name, or a "Inc." on their business name, that is their problem, and thankfully, not mine!

mrj
 
HAY MAKER said:
Liberty Belle said:
This article shows where the money to fund NAIS is coming from and I'm upset with organizations that my family has been a part of for generations, like Farm Bureau, that were funding this gigantic government intrusion into OUR business behind our backs.

Check the numbers and refer to the footnotes to see the documentation:
http://naissucks.com/wordpress/?p=366

IM damned mad about it too Liberty Belle,and happy to partner with a pretty girl like you to fight the SOB's :D :D
good luck

Yep-- and the "socalled" cattlemens groups (like NCBA) wet their pants when you mention "pasture to plate" price encentivized/promoted ID--and full- not only truth in country (COOL) labeling-- but truth in ranch origin-- because the Big Multinational Packers they crawled into bed with years ago- along with the USDA- in a "nasty" menage a trois want nothing to do with traceback after it hits the slaughter house doors and the head comes off....

They'd rather allow passing off goat and burro meat from Mexico as US beef product under the USDA inspected label.... :wink: :(

Wouldn't need all the mandates- if the USDA was/would be honest with the USDA inspected label-- and instead of passing everything off as USDA inspected (which only .05% of imports are)- instead honestly said it was inspected by the Mexican Dept of Ag- or the Uruguayan Dept of Ag or even CFIA...........
 
You had an international trading partner you could trust and worked your hearts off to piss that away-so you reaped what u sowed. I've dealt with enough state regs down there to know that if you get hit with something bad it will be asrmagedddon compared to up here. Each little state bureacracy will hgave a peeing contest with each other till the house falls down around them. I hope it never happens for your sakes after what BSE did to our industry.
 
The wheels may grind slowly, but it is coming.

Too many people and companies will benefit from it and there are no organizations capable of fighting this one as the legal fund - money pit - that is promoting this is endless.

I honestly think you will, in the end, have no choice as it will be legislated in.

That will mean you follow along and stay in the business or get out - pretty simple choices.

Interesting times ahead.

BC
 
Broke Cowboy said:
The wheels may grind slowly, but it is coming.

Too many people and companies will benefit from it and there are no organizations capable of fighting this one as the legal fund - money pit - that is promoting this is endless.

I honestly think you will, in the end, have no choice as it will be legislated in.

That will mean you follow along and stay in the business or get out - pretty simple choices.

Interesting times ahead.

BC

With some very interested onlookers . . . .
 
Broke Cowboy said:
The wheels may grind slowly, but it is coming.

Too many people and companies will benefit from it and there are no organizations capable of fighting this one as the legal fund - money pit - that is promoting this is endless.

I honestly think you will, in the end, have no choice as it will be legislated in.

That will mean you follow along and stay in the business or get out - pretty simple choices.

Interesting times ahead.

BC

Interesting indeed! And these Orwellian plans don't end with livestock. Read this article, especially the stuff I highlighted at the end:

Obama's Orwellian Health Care Vision
Written by Stephen Rhodes on October 30, 2009


President Barack Obama has promised a massive change to "modernize health care by making all health records standardized and electronic." Part of his ambitious health care program will be the computerizing of medical records of all Americans in order to make the health care process more cost-effective.

But even proponents of Obama's plan have mentioned that ensuring the privacy of patients' records in a nationalized computer network will be tricky. There are obvious concerns about hackers and system failures. And new online health record systems, such as Google Health are not currently subject to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, the national health privacy law.

This is especially true when you consider the advocates of implementing a program using so-called 'v-chips' containing all a person's medical information. No one has said how much information will be contained in those implants. DNA? AIDS information?

With so much information already being compromised within government security systems, how can Obama possibly promise confidentiality of such records?

Although in five years the VeriChip Corp., the US company creating microchip implants, has yet to turn a profit, it has been investing heavily – up to $8 million a year – to create new markets.

The company's executives have said their present push is the tagging of "high-risk" patients — diabetics and people with heart conditions or Alzheimer's disease.

In a medical emergency, hospital staff could wave a reader over a patient's arm, get an ID number, and then, via the Internet, enter a company database and pull up the person's identity and medical history.

To doctors, a "starter kit" – complete with 10 hypodermic syringes, 10 VeriChips and a reader – costs $1,400, according to information on the Verichip web site. To patients, a microchip implant means a $200, out-of-pocket expense to their physician. Presently, chip implants aren't covered by private healthcare insurance companies, or by Medicare and Medicaid.

For almost two years, the company has been offering hospitals free scanners, but acceptance has been limited. According to the company's most recent SEC quarterly filing, 515 hospitals have pledged to take part in the VeriMed network, yet only 100 have actually been equipped and trained to use the system.

Some patients and their families are wondering why they should abandon noninvasive tags such as MedicAlert, a low-tech bracelet, that warns paramedics if patients have serious allergies or a chronic medical condition, for the microchip implants.

In early September, up to 200 Alzheimer's patients living in the Palm Beach, Florida area were implanted with the microchip by the company VeriChip absolutely free.

The chip, which is about the size of a grain of rice, contains a 16-digit identification number which is scanned at a hospital. Once the number is placed in a database, it can provide crucial medical information. People are already lining up for the VeriChip, but it's already stirred up controversy.

The story, carried by ABC TV News, caused one reporter to ask, "Is Big Brother watching?"

The relative permanence is a big reason why Marc Rotenberg, of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, is suspicious about the motives of the company, which charges an annual fee to keep clients' records.

The company charges $20 a year for customers to keep a "one-pager" on its database — a record of blood type, allergies, medications, driver's license data and living-will directives. For $80 a year, it will keep an individual's full medical history. In recent days, there have been rumors on Wall Street, and elsewhere, of the potential uses for RFID in humans: the chipping of U.S. soldiers, of inmates, or of migrant workers, to name a few.

In May 2008, a protest outside the Alzheimer's Community Care Center in West Palm Beach, Florida, drew attention to a two-year study in which 200 Alzheimer's patients, along with their caregivers, were to receive chip implants. Parents, children and elderly people decried the plan, with signs and placards.

"Chipping People Is Wrong" and "People Are Not Pets," the signs read. And: "Stop VeriChip."

Dr. Katherine Albrecht, the RFID critic who organized the demonstration, raises similar concerns on her www.AntiChips.com web site.

"Is it appropriate to use the most vulnerable members of society for invasive medical research? Should the company be allowed to implant microchips into people whose mental impairments means they cannot give fully informed consent?" she wrote.

As the polemic heats up, legislators are increasingly being drawn into the fray. Two states, Wisconsin and North Dakota, recently passed laws prohibiting the forced implantation of microchips in humans. Other states, such as Ohio, Oklahoma, Colorado and Florida, are studying similar legislation.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma legislators are debating a bill that would authorize microchip implants in people imprisoned for violent crimes. Many felt it would be a good way to monitor felons once released from prison.
But other lawmakers raised concerns. Rep. John Wright worried, "Apparently, we're going to permanently put the 'mark' on these people."

Rep. Ed Cannaday found the forced microchipping of inmates "invasive…. We are going down that slippery slope."

Another drawback to microchip implants is the suspicion that they are linked to cancer in test animals. Opponents of human microchipping are concerned with the speed with which these chips received approval from the US Food and Drug Administration. Opponents such as Dr. Albrecht believe the FDA approval has more to do with politics than medicine.

Opponents believe the government is choosing the most vulnerable citizens for the initial implants — Alzheimer's patients, the handicapped, retarded, the elderly — but eventually every human being in the US, Mexico and Canada will be required to have the microchip implants if only to keep track of them and their activities.

"Under the federally supported National Animal Identification System (NAIS), digital tags are expected to be affixed to the U.S.'s 40 million farm animals to enable regulators to track and respond quickly to disease, bioterrorism, and other calamities," according to a Business Week article.

"Opponents have many fears about this plan, among them that it could be the forerunner of a similar system for humans. The theory, circulated in blogs, goes like this: You test it on the animals first, demonstrating the viability of the radio frequency identification devices (RFIDs) to monitor each and every animal's movements and health history from birth to death, and then move on to people."
 
My only response to this will likely annoy many people - however it is not meant to.

First - follow the money - I can see huge dollars here. And I would not be surprized if vast sums were finding their way into illicit and hidden bank accounts.

Second - the people of the US of A have a government that was duly elected - therefore the government they deserve (I do not remember the name of the person who first wrote that) and therefore the treatment they deserve.

After all, the people made the decision - now they must live with it.

A lot of things are happening in the US of A and while I am no conspiracy theorist - I truly believe I will live to see the US of A go broke - and I believe I will live to see force being used to implement certain federal policies - an unthinkable situation from only a few short years ago.

The only way this will be stopped is to stop the government - and I do not see that happening. Yet. And big brother will fight you all the way - and quite likely he will win.

At the risk of sounding completely repetitive - Interesting times are ahead.

Regards

BC
 
OT, your gibberish about NCBA , wet pants, pasture to plate, price incentivized ID, truth in ranch origin etc., doesn't make sense given the number of members of that group participating in, and the org. promoting (for those who choose it), the alliances such as Ranchers Renaissance with Safeway, US Premium Beef, and many others. They actually are producing and marketing USA born, bred, and raised beef themselves, rather than whining for government to impose it on all (COOL), which would take away the price incentives for those producers adding value above the usual 'commodity beef'.

mrj
 
Broke Cowboy said:
My only response to this will likely annoy many people - however it is not meant to.

First - follow the money - I can see huge dollars here. And I would not be surprized if vast sums were finding their way into illicit and hidden bank accounts.

Second - the people of the US of A have a government that was duly elected - therefore the government they deserve (I do not remember the name of the person who first wrote that) and therefore the treatment they deserve.

After all, the people made the decision - now they must live with it.

A lot of things are happening in the US of A and while I am no conspiracy theorist - I truly believe I will live to see the US of A go broke - and I believe I will live to see force being used to implement certain federal policies - an unthinkable situation from only a few short years ago.

The only way this will be stopped is to stop the government - and I do not see that happening. Yet. And big brother will fight you all the way - and quite likely he will win.

At the risk of sounding completely repetitive - Interesting times are ahead.

Regards

BC
We will see if the American people are ready to stop this government this Tuesday.
 
mrj said:
OT, your gibberish about NCBA , wet pants, pasture to plate, price incentivized ID, truth in ranch origin etc., doesn't make sense given the number of members of that group participating in, and the org. promoting (for those who choose it), the alliances such as Ranchers Renaissance with Safeway, US Premium Beef, and many others. They actually are producing and marketing USA born, bred, and raised beef themselves, rather than whining for government to impose it on all (COOL), which would take away the price incentives for those producers adding value above the usual 'commodity beef'.

mrj
NCBA sold out the destiny of producers to the big packers long ago...some are just too blind or too proud to see it.
 
R, sorry, but the "blind and the proud" are those who make accusations they have no proof of, spew hate on people and organizations they do not know, nor intend to know, and who would rather stir and promote dissention within the beef industry than to work with the best cattle producer, member driven organization in the USA. That would be NCBA. You can learn FACTS by contacting www.beefusa.org. Actually calling and talking to the CEO about your 'concerns' might be revealing!!!!

mrj
 
mrj said:
R, sorry, but the "blind and the proud" are those who make accusations they have no proof of, spew hate on people and organizations they do not know, nor intend to know, and who would rather stir and promote dissention within the beef industry than to work with the best cattle producer, member driven organization in the USA. That would be NCBA. You can learn FACTS by contacting www.beefusa.org. Actually calling and talking to the CEO about your 'concerns' might be revealing!!!!

mrj
MRJ, you have learned well from our liberal friends on how to respond to criticism...attack the person. I don't "hate" the members of NCBA...I was a member of NCA and voted,regrettably, to change it to NCBA. I know the vast majority of producers left in the industry are good people that love the land, cattle, life style, and want the best for the industry. My criticism is that NCBA has led producers down the wrong road.

NCBA leadership bought into the packer's 'plan' that a "more efficient", concentrated processing industry would lead to more demand for USA beef and a growing USA cattle industry. You made the point above that the USA cattle industry is half the size it was in 1950. You may not have noticed the reduction in beef producers, but 90% of those in my area have been put out of business. I guess in your eyes, as long as it is your neighbor going broke, there isn't a problem.

The producer's share of the consumer's retail dollar has grown smaller...a well documented fact.

Beef's share of the protein market has grown smaller...a well documented fact.

If NCBA wants to claim to be the voice of cattle producers, then they/you have to take credit for the direction the industry has gone. Respond to the criticism...don't attack the messenger!
 
US groups seek support to ban use of litter in feed 03 Nov 2009
Consumers Union, the nonprofit publisher of Consumer Reports, and the Food Animals Concern Trust (FACT), a Chicago-based animal welfare organization, presented a petition signed by 37,000 people to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) asking the agency to ban the practice of feeding poultry waste to cattle.

FDA asked to ban poultry litter from feed
Poultry waste, known as "poultry litter" is generally comprised of feces, sawdust, feathers, spilled feed, and anything else that might accumulate on the floor of a chicken or turkey coop. The byproduct is added to livestock feed because it has nutritional value and it is cheap.

The FDA estimates that cattle are fed between 1 and 2 million tons--several billion pounds--of poultry litter annually. The consumers groups believe feeding poultry litter to cattle presents a serious risk to human and animal health.

Eleven national organizations endorsed the petition, including the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI). McDonald's Corp., the nation's largest beef purchaser, also wants the FDA to ban the practice.

The National Cattlemen's Beef Association (NCBA), a powerful trade group for the beef industry, said the ban is not necessary. "Science does not justify the ban, and the FDA has looked at this now many times," Elizabeth Parker, NCBA's chief veterinarian told the Los Angeles Times.

The FDA has until November 11, 2009 to respond to the petition.
 
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/naislibrary/documents/plans_reports/NAIS_overview_report.pdf



TSS
 
flounder said:
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/naislibrary/documents/plans_reports/NAIS_overview_report.pdf
TSS

Your link is to the Cost Benefit Analysis summary.
Here's a link explaining why the complete Analysis isn't worth the cost of the paper it is written on - let alone the 1/2 million dollars wasted on it.

http://farmandranchfreedom.org/content/files/FARFA-comments-USDA-090520.pdf
 
gypsyrose said:
flounder said:
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/naislibrary/documents/plans_reports/NAIS_overview_report.pdf
TSS

Your link is to the Cost Benefit Analysis summary.
Here's a link explaining why the complete Analysis isn't worth the cost of the paper it is written on - let alone the 1/2 million dollars wasted on it.

http://farmandranchfreedom.org/content/files/FARFA-comments-USDA-090520.pdf



48 hour traceback :lol: :lol: :lol:

48 hr BSE confirmation turnaround took 7+ months to confirm the second Texas mad cow case, and that took and act of Congress. all so the BSE MRR policy could be put into place $$$

Tuesday, July 14, 2009

U.S. Emergency Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy Response Plan Summary and BSE Red Book Date: February 14, 2000 at 8:56 am PST

WHERE did we go wrong $$$

http://madcowtesting.blogspot.com/2009/07/us-emergency-bovine-spongiform.html


and where are we today ???



Tuesday, November 3, 2009


re-FOIA REQUEST ON FEED RECALL PRODUCT contaminated with prohibited material Recall # V-258-2009 and Recall # V-256-2009



http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2009/11/re-foia-request-on-feed-recall-product.html



IF your gonna want to trade your product, you must convince the consumer your product is safe, and your gonna have to TRACE your product from farm to fork. NOT sell some trash, and expose and or kill folks, and NOT be able to trace where it came from. do you not remember the mad cow and the consumers in California that bought your product? it's a buyers market. test it, abide by FDA safety protocols, and trace it, and your product will sell. probably more than you think. just my opinion. ...TSS
 
RobertMac, sorry you have to indulge in name calling to justify your position here! Yet you accuse me of doing the same as you??? I didn't call names. I stated that what you wrote IS accusatory without verification, hateful, and has a 'troublemaker' smell to it....and I stand by that opinion of your comments.

Now, are you telling us that since you left NCBA when you disagreed with a majority of the members, your opinion if right and thousands of cattle producer NCBA members are ill informed, mislead, or just plain wrong?

Yes, I understand you do not believe in the efficiency of scale and would prefer to believe packers would serve the industry better and pay far more for our cattle if ony they were broken up into little local plants that moved the chain at a snails pace and every worker made more money than he needs. Fantasies are such fun! Until reality hits, anyway.

I did not reference reduction in beef producers because there are many more causes than you imply.

Fact is, fewer people can care for more cattle now than in the 1950's. We are producing DOUBLE the TONNAGE of BEEF with about the same NUMBER of mother cows!

That is NOT the same thing as you say, "...the USA cattle industry if half the size it was in 1950...", is it?

I don't like to see anyone who makes an effort and improves his practices get in financial trouble, and I'm as probably in more danger of failing than many with less complex ranching businesses. However the reasons for people leaving agriculture go far beyond finances. Many people these days want time for themselves and won't bother with worrying about gov't regs., long hours, managing employees, mixing rations, making and being responsible for all management decisions, and all the details required of owning ones own business. Add insecurity due to our governmental 'changes' and it is hard to blame anyone for not going into business, let alone agriculture, given our return on asset ratio, or lack thereof.

I'm sorry you are unable to make your desired business plan work. People ARE doing similar things in other places. Maybe you just haven't found the right processor. People in my area are accustomed to having to go LONG distances to find resources and there ARE small packers within a few hundred miles. Surely there are some available to you in your much more densely populated region.

BTW, who said it is "the packers plan' that a 'more efficient' concentrated, processing industry would lead to more demand for USA beef...."? Isn't it simply common sense that a less concentrated, less efficient processing industry would lead to higher priced beef, therefore LESS consumer demand when our economy has crashed as it has???

You seem to be blaming NCBA policy, packers, and anyone else available for very complex causes of problems in the cattle/beef industry.

You also seem not to understand that NCBA does not CONTROL the Beef Checkoff spending, or the "direction" of the cattle/beef industry, or the econmy.

NCBA is able ONLY to do our best to manage our reaction and response to the direction of current trends, s best we can with the finances and man-power available to our membership driven organization, while trying to influence and affect that direction to benefit, or even to do the least possible harm to our cattle/beef industry.

mrj
 

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