The truth comes out

[Econ101]

Before you point out the splinter in someone else's eye, get the log out of your own.

With all due respect, Econ, is that something that you should be pointing out to anyone else?

You are the one attacking the "fragility" of a woman because of your position of trying to "protect" your own self interest. Reader brings in the logic behind your Canadian bse nightmare---and if you will look, you will find its solution.

Sweeping things under the rug is not the solution. It only prolongs its implementation.

With all due respect, MP.

I have been just as critical of the USDA's approach to the subject.

It hasn't helped convince our major trading partners or the growing awareness that the USDA is more interested in protecting the big packers than providing food safety.

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

So I defend myself and you consider it an attack? If that's the case, Econ, God help the person that I should ever really decide to attack!

I think I have made my point about my perception of R2 and intend to leave it at that.


Show me where I have even once advocated sweeping anything under the rug. You will not be able to.

Just the same as yourself, I am dismayed at the evident mishandling of the whole BSE issue.

I do not wish any harm to the producers of either country.

 

[Tam]

Tam -

H-E-L-L-O Anybody home??

CJD not CJV How many years have we been talking about this.

Don't call it the human version of Mad Cow. Call it Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease or CJD for short.

I know people say that but it's misleading.

Do you feel better now that you got that off your chest Reader :roll:

Now put down the glass of wine and go back and read the post again I was not the one calling it that the Canadian Media was . In fact, I have emailed a few people to see what we can do as an industry to stop our media from using this misleading media quote. It's just to bad Oldtimer doesn't have enough integrity not to use these misleading attention grabbing headlines to push his fast tracking trade stopping agenda by his Senators and Congressmen. :roll:

And Reader wasn't it you that first came on here and tried to link the two by telling us how your husband died of Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease and that is the reason your kids will not eat beef anymore? :roll:

I'm so sorry my dear. I see logic is not your strong suit :roll: Nor is your memory particularly long. What I have said from the beginning is that there is no proven link between classic CJD and vCJD other than them both being human TSEs and having nearly identical symptoms and course. I have said that there is an irrefutable link between vCJD and BSE that the leading researchers and public health establishment accept. Furthermore, I told you that anyone who saw the destruction that CJD causes would never want to be struck down by a rapid neurodegenerative disease in the TSE family -- there are several human TSEs including CJD, vCJD, GSS, familial CJD. My daughter who is a PhD candidate in virology and understands TSEs better than you or me has every right to choose not to eat beef or lamb because of her concern about zoonotic diseases after seeing her beloved father struck down so horribly. You have not got a clue what the disease does nor will you shut up and listen and learn. If you personally had seen a family member struck down by a disease of this type, you would also look askance at the possibility of getting a nearly identical disease however small the chances.

As for my son and I, we are more realistic and eat beef but in 90% of the instances we eat grass fed beef. And we definitely avoid beef in Canada and Europe.

You are correct -- the reporter is the one who first used the term "human Mad Cow" and OT also did. However you're the one who NEVER listens and learns, no matter how many times we go over the same material. It's amazing to me that someone can be either so stubborn, so close minded or so dim. And you don't appear to be dim, so I assume you're as stubborn as a mule. I have a daughter like that - the one who won't eat beef in fact - so I guess we have to accept that your personality is what it is. But in the future do not bring up the eating beef and seeing her father die of CJD saga again because I am F-E-D U-P with having to explain this to you over and over.

Reader who is the dim one here? This whole thread started with me pointing out that Oldtimer was spreading MISINFORMATION to his Senators and Congressmen to further his and R-CALF's agenda. And you turned it into a attack on me by telling me

H-E-L-L-O Anybody home??

CJD not CJV How many years have we been talking about this.
Don't call it the human version of Mad Cow. Call it Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease or CJD for short.

I know people say that but it's misleading

followed by

You are correct -- the reporter is the one who first used the term "human Mad Cow" and OT also did. However you're the one who NEVER listens and learns, no matter how many times we go over the same material

NOW If I'm correct :shock: and it was the reporter and Oldtimer that used the term first, Shouldn't you be telling Oldtimer and the reporter not to call it the "human version of Mad Cow" NOT ME. I seem to have learned the two are not linked a long time ago as I believe I told you they weren't linked when you played your sympathy card several times months ago. If I didn't know their not linked I would not be upset with Oldtimer and the reporters for their attempts at fear mongering by linking them NOW. And I won't be trying to see if there is something that can be done to stop the misleading headlines. :roll: Looks to me as if your need to be superior has blinded you to who you really should be correcting. :wink:

 

[Econ101]

Tam, in light of Reader's loss, I would have to agree. You can counter OT's posts with newer relevant information if you want, but you don't need to bring up reader's kid, who has lost more than you have to bse, to make your points.

They are tasteless.

 

[Tam]

You know, Econ, it's fine that you agree with her. Sometimes I do too, and at others I disagree. I don't hold it against you or anyone else for that.

However, I object to someone who treats others with the obvious disdain that R2 likes to fling around. Kinda like a cat. It's all about the cat.

She has repeatedly shown that she is incapable of politely countering a position or opinion that repudiates what she says. So she responds with sarcasm or cynicism. That merely exposes her fragility.

The remedy is to get a grip. Failing that, butt out!

Bringing up my daughter again was tasteless and for that I let Tam have it both barrels. I have gone over why my daughter doesn't eat beef for Tam innumerable times. The fact that you chimed in without much thought put you in the direct line of fire.

I was not asking for sympathy but on the other hand, I am fed up with my daughter's not eating beef being brought up by ONE PERSON and ONE PERSON ALONE - Ms. Tam - no matter how often I patiently explain that it is a reasonable if emotional response to my daughter's trauma and loss.

That is HER business and I did not bring her loss up, Ms. Tam did. My daughter is NOT fair game for nastiness.

I only brought it up to show you that you yourself have tried to mislead us in the past by trying to link your husbands CJD death to your daughters refusal to eat beef. If some of us hadn't known THEN that CJD is not caused from eating beef your little comment might have had a bit more of an impact. You were the one that has shamefully and repeatedly tried to use your daughters emotional response to her beloved father's death as a "sympathy card". When those that make their living in the beef industry come to the defence of beef by pointing out that the two are not linked you turn it around as an insensitive attack on your families trauma and loss. Your daughters eating habits shouldn't have been fair game for pity sake either but it looks as if you are not beyong that are you?

 

[Tam]

Tam, in light of Reader's loss, I would have to agree. You can counter OT's posts with newer relevant information if you want, but you don't need to bring up reader's kid, who has lost more than you have to bse, to make your points.

They are tasteless.

ECON what has Readers kids loss to BSE? :?

And Econ what is tasteless is Reader attacking me for something that someone else said IE OLDTIMER AND THE REPORTERS

You are correct -- the reporter is the one who first used the term "human Mad Cow" and OT also did. However you're the one who NEVER listens and learns, no matter how many times we go over the same material

when she herself in the past has tried to link the two for sympathy sake. :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Tam- Did you read my Coffee Shop post about the sunspots and Northern Lights?? Since you never are on those sites I thought I'd bring it up again-- I wouldn't want them interfering with any of your flight plans :shock: :devil2: :wink: :lol:

 

[mrj]

reader2, is it correct that your exchange with Tam started with you accusing her of not knowing that it is "CJD not CJV"?

Clearly, if it in fact it was so stated by Tam (maybe I missed it, but could not find it quickly), it obviously was a typo Have you never committed a typo? Most of us posting here have done so.

And, yes, too many people do make the error of calling both CJD and vCJD the human form of "Mad Cow Disease".

It is a MISTAKE making any reference to "Mad Cow Disease", when it should be clearly stated as Bovine Spongiform Encaphalophy, or BSE.

Your daughter has a right to eat beef for whatever reason, just as does anyone who has a 'Bambi complex', but does NOT have the right to preach mis-information about BSE as a reason for others to not eat beef.

Before you claim I'm disrespecting her, that is not my intent. I have a right to make the point about MIS-INFORMATION since that is the whole point of this thread.

Granted her father died horribly, however your family is certainly not the only family to go through such a tragedy.......nor is the reason for yours the only reason for such tragedies.....the seem nearly endless from drunken drivers who cause such injuries that an innocent person lives in horrible pain, brain damage, and more for many years, same for many other accidents and illnesses.......no less preventable than your loss was.....also with NO verified link to BSE......which is the subject of the posts re. misinformation with potential for damage to an industry being discussed on this thread.

We all realize no one ever 'gets over' such a loss, but in order to heal,one must learn to go on and to cope as best we can when living with such a loss. Been there and done that......more than once.

MRJ

 

[Texan]

Tam, in light of Reader's loss, I would have to agree. You can counter OT's posts with newer relevant information if you want, but you don't need to bring up reader's kid, who has lost more than you have to bse, to make your points.

They are tasteless.

ECON what has Readers kids loss to BSE? :?

Maybe he didn't really post that, Tam. Maybe somebody hacked into his username again. No wait...maybe it was his wife that posted it. :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

I explicitly said that there is no proven link between BSE and classic CJD however.

From everything I have read, R2 is quite right- there is no proven link -- but there is more and more evidence and studies that are finding a connection or similarities between BSE and classic CJD, along with possibly many other neurological affecting diseases like Altzheimers.... The studies on sporadic BSE are only in their infancy........

Does either country- Canada or the US- have a plan B in effect for the possibility that after further testing one of those Manitoba cases comes back vCJD :shock: :???: Or if the scientists that are now just putting a concentrated effort on their studies ties BSE to sCJD or Altzheimers? :???:

I just think its much too early to be burying our heads in the sand or poo pooing the disease and the effects it could have on the industry away....

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

OOps

 

[Tam]

Bringing up my daughter again was tasteless and for that I let Tam have it both barrels. I have gone over why my daughter doesn't eat beef for Tam innumerable times. The fact that you chimed in without much thought put you in the direct line of fire.

I was not asking for sympathy but on the other hand, I am fed up with my daughter's not eating beef being brought up by ONE PERSON and ONE PERSON ALONE - Ms. Tam - no matter how often I patiently explain that it is a reasonable if emotional response to my daughter's trauma and loss.

That is HER business and I did not bring her loss up, Ms. Tam did. My daughter is NOT fair game for nastiness.

I only brought it up to show you that you yourself have tried to mislead us in the past by trying to link your husbands CJD death to your daughters refusal to eat beef. If some of us hadn't known THEN that CJD is not caused from eating beef your little comment might have had a bit more of an impact. You were the one that has shamefully and repeatedly tried to use your daughters emotional response to her beloved father's death as a "sympathy card". When those that make their living in the beef industry come to the defence of beef by pointing out that the two are not linked you turn it around as an insensitive attack on your families trauma and loss. Your daughters eating habits shouldn't have been fair game for pity sake either but it looks as if you are not beyong that are you?

You really haven't got a clue. I won't waste my breath on you. It's hard to believe that you are married with a husband and children of your own.

You brought my daughter up. Next time you are that nasty again and bring up my kids, I won't be as patient in how I answer you.

Read my post over a few times. Have someone more logical read it to you and explain it to you. Of course her dad's death and her not eating beef are linked as I explained in the post. I explicitly said that there is no proven link between BSE and classic CJD however.

Good afternoon and good riddance ma'am.

This thread is a prefect example of why the MISINFORMATION is allowed to continue. I start a thread to point out how Oldtimer is using MISINFORMATION to further his and R-CALF's agenda and 4 replies into the thread I'm attacked for a typo, accused of saying something that I didn't and accused of not knowing about something that I evidently did know about or I would not have taken offence to Oldtimer attempts in using it to further his agenda.
Oldtimer should be thanking our self proclaimed intellectually superior for giving him an excape route. As if Reader hadn't of wasted her precious breath on correcting my typo and wrongly accusing me of not knowing the truth maybe she would have seen it was OLDTIMER she should be correcting not me. And it should be Oldtimer she is ticked at for using misleading headlines to further damage the consumer confidence in a product that so many make a living at.

Back to you Reader the next time I start a thread with the intent of pointing out how some choose to use MISINFORMATION to further their own agenda save your snipes for someone that cares what you think. And Just maybe it will not turn into another Reader Pity Party. As all I asked was if you weren't also guilty of linking CJD to beef when you linked your husband's death to your daughters refusal to eat beef?

 

[Anonymous]

But Tam- you attack the person that shows you the misinformation going out - rather than your fellow adopted countryman who put out that misinformation ....All this points out to me, is the lack of credibility you have because of your prejudice and bias.........

 

[Tam]

But Tam- you attack the person that shows you the misinformation going out - rather than your fellow adopted countryman who put out that misinformation ....All this points out to me, is the lack of credibility you have because of your prejudice and bias.........

No Oldtimer on ranchers I pointed out that a person that claimed in one thread that he wasn't spreading these attention grabbing headlines around but simply posting them to inform us (Canadian Producers) of what is being printed in the Canadian media so we could do something about the misinformation. Was, in fact bragging about sending these same misinformed misleading attention grabbing headlined pieces of crap on to his Senators and Congressmen to further his agenda on M'COOL and will also use them to stop Rule 2 if need be, in another thread. Now what does that say about your credibility Oldtimer? :wink:
And just because I didn't go after my fellow adopted countryman who put out that misinformation here on ranchers, where he was not likely to see it anyway, does not mean I haven't contacted people right here in Canada to see what can be done about these types of misinformed headlines that you do not have enough integrity not to use to further damage our industry. :roll:

 

[Kathy]

At this time, there is no irrefutable proof that BSE tainted meat causes vCJD. However, I have posted (probably hundreds by now) of articles which high-light spongiform diseases/symptoms after contamination with various metals, inlcuding lead.

The University of Saskatchewan has several researchers there who have received funding to look at the role of metals in the brain, eg.

November 27, 2006

CFI Awards $22 Million for Major New U of S Research Facilities

The four U of S projects include:

• BioXAS: Life Science Beamline for X-ray Absorption Spectroscopy: Led by U of S Canada Research Chair Graham George, this $20.6-million suite of two beamlines at the Canadian Light Source will be used to study biological and health-related functions of metals in diseases such as Alzheimer's, as environmental toxins, in metal-containing drugs, and as essential constituents of living systems.

• National Agricultural Industrial Hygiene Laboratory: Led by U of S researcher Jim Dosman at the Canadian Centre for Health and Safety in Agriculture, this $14.5-million initiative will provide tools to study the health effects in workers and others exposed to the risks of modern agricultural production and related rural activities.

• Feed Technology Research Facility: Led by U of S researcher Bernard Laarveld, this $12.6-million initiative will explore challenges related to the burgeoning bioproducts industry, such as how to make high-value animal feed products from low-value crops and by-products created by biofuel plants.

• Aquatic Toxicology Research Facility: Under the leadership of U of S environmental toxicologist Karsten Liber, this $7-million unique-in-Canada initiative will provide the tools to detect, monitor, and evaluate toxic pollution in our lakes, rivers, and other aquatic ecosystems. This will provide crucial information for policy, regulation, and environmental remediation.

The Canada Foundation for Innovation (CFI) is an independent corporation created by the Government of Canada to fund research infrastructure. Its mandate is to strengthen capacity among Canadian universities, colleges, research hospitals, and non-profit research institutions to carry out world-class research and technology development that benefits Canadians. More information is available at www.innovation.ca.

Dr. Graham George and others are working with the Canadian Light Synchrotron. In an earlier news release from 2004, it is noted:

Graham George
Canada Research Chair in X-ray Absorption Spectroscopy
U of S Department of Geological Sciences

In our normal everyday lives, we are exposed to an incredibly complex chemical soup. Many of these compounds contain metal atoms which, once inside us, can either fulfill roles that are essential to health or act as poisons, sometimes with deadly consequences.

• Specifically, Graham George will study mercury, a toxic metal that is a health concern in Canada and worldwide. Exposure sources are numerous, and include methylmercury compounds in predatory marine fish and "silver" fillings in teeth. Mercury compounds (such as methyl mercury) are severely neurotoxic in that they can damage the human nervous system, but the mechanism of neurotoxicity remains largely unknown.

• George will use the new Canadian Light Source synchrotron to study mercury's molecular form, how it is modified in foods and in tissues, and how it interacts with other elements such as selenium. This will eventually allow the use of advanced techniques to design highly specific drugs - called custom chelators - that could be capable of specifically binding and removing mercury from tissues.

You wouldn't think that there is a scientist on this planet that would deny the relevance of this work. However, the media has reported "news bits" from various researchers in the past and one such bite actually stated, "mercury is good for you, it makes you more creative".

Our cattle industry and health industry must tackle the BSE problem head on - no matter what the fallout. Keeping in mind, that we need to question all science, and verify results. MBM feeding trials did not transmit BSE. Only specially designed laboratory tests that homogenized the brain tissue, were successful at limited transmission of an "unidentified agent."

The cattle industry should demand that the health of our cattle be an indicator for the health of the environment. If our cows are sick, so is the environment and we all breath the same air, drink the same water and consume vegetation grown from the soil. Once the consumer understands that these metal contaminants, chemical contaminants etc are causing these diseases (or at the very least, causing susceptibility to disease for those that can't yet see the direct connection) then they will demand that we clean up the sources of the environmental toxins.

When my neighbor wanted to vaccinate his cattle with two different shots, one had mercury in it the other aluminum, he was fortunate enough to have circumstances prevent this from happening (at least on the same day).

Alzheimer's disease was discovered in 1906, again in America, where dentists used mercury-laden amalgams to fill cavities (dentists in Europe largely avoided them). Today, more than 4 million Americans now have Alzheimer's disease. It afflicts half of people over the age of 85 and 20 percent aged 75 to 84.

The first symptoms of this disease are difficulty concentrating and variable degrees of memory loss, leading ultimately to devastating mental deterioration. The brains of people with Alzheimer's disease shrink by 25 percent and have distinct pathologic hallmarks (neurofibillary tangles, amyloid plaques, and phosphorylation of tau protein). Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings.

Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury and releases around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put radiolabelled mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep and determined where escaped mercury went with a scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people.

The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots.

Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic toxicity – mercury's enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum.

Link: http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html

 

[Econ101]

But Tam- you attack the person that shows you the misinformation going out - rather than your fellow adopted countryman who put out that misinformation ....All this points out to me, is the lack of credibility you have because of your prejudice and bias.........

No Oldtimer on ranchers I pointed out that a person that claimed in one thread that he wasn't spreading these attention grabbing headlines around but simply posting them to inform us (Canadian Producers) of what is being printed in the Canadian media so we could do something about the misinformation. Was, in fact bragging about sending these same misinformed misleading attention grabbing headlined pieces of crap on to his Senators and Congressmen to further his agenda on M'COOL and will also use them to stop Rule 2 if need be, in another thread. Now what does that say about your credibility Oldtimer? :wink:
And just because I didn't go after my fellow adopted countryman who put out that misinformation here on ranchers, where he was not likely to see it anyway, does not mean I haven't contacted people right here in Canada to see what can be done about these types of misinformed headlines that you do not have enough integrity not to use to further damage our industry. :roll:

Tam, if bse does not cause brain disease, why has England, almost all of the European countries, Canada, the US, Japan, Korea, and others all had used it in their policy making and ability to export?

Even if you don't believe bse can be transmitted as a brain disease for humans, the results of it have been devastating to the producers serving the above mentioned countries.

You seem to want to argue a point that is already lost. How will that get you ahead? Has it helped anyone of those other producers in those other countries?

 

[Tam]

1. Tam, if bse does not cause brain disease, why has England, almost all of the European countries, Canada, the US, Japan, Korea, and others all had used it in their policy making and ability to export?

2: Even if you don't believe bse can be transmitted as a brain disease for humans, the results of it have been devastating to the producers serving the above mentioned countries.

3.You seem to want to argue a point that is already lost. How will that get you ahead? Has it helped anyone of those other producers in those other countries?

1. Where is the solid proof that BSE causes "CJD" brain disease? It DOESN"T if we are to believe what we have been told so many times right here on Ranchers and that is what these articles were about CJD not vCJD.
From what I have read even the link between Beef and vCJD was made on what Oldtimer would consider circumstantial evidence and the jury is still out. :? Want to take a guess at how many people are wrongly convicted because of circumstantial evidence? Maybe our beef industries are being hung out to dry on circumstantial evidence. too :shock: and if so, don't we have the obligation/right to question that evidence as much as we feel we need to, to be sure we are not being punished for something that has nothing to do with us? :?
I believe that there are far more of these government policies being made due to the unknowns about BSE in the past and by political motivation in the present, than on the fact that 160 people in all the world have, for some reason, be struck down with a disease the happened to show up around the same time as BSE did, and the victims all ate beef at one time or another in their lifetime. If government trade policies were all made due to the health risks involved why are our governments allowing the importing of cars, liquor and guns? :???:

2. Geez Econ I would have never known that if you in your intellectual way hadn't pointed that out. :roll: Did you forget I live in Canada? A country that lost billions and most of it had nothing to do with true health issues. It had more to do with a protectionist group of US producers trying to protect their historical high cattle prices at all costs.

If it was a true health issue
1. why didn't that same group follow through with "No marketing in beef from cattle over the age of 20 months " like Dennis suggested when BSE was found in the US native herd?
2. Why didn't they black ball any member that was caught in Canada buying cheap Canadian feeders post BSE?
3. Why didn't they at least demand the banning of cattle and beef products coming out of the two US states that had confirmed cases of BSE? Isn't one of them where you live Econ?
4. Where did all the dangerous health risk go when they were demanding your export markets be reopenned to your BSE affected beef?
5. Where will the health risks, that they claim they are trying to protect US consumers from, go if M'COOL is implemented? Oldtimer says label it and open-er-up

Doesn't really look as if this is a true health issue when you look at what R-CALF has turned their consumer protecting backs on when BSE was found in the US does it? Can you say PROTECTIONIST POLITICAL CRAP ECON?

3. Why am I not surprized that you "a self proclaimed genius" would not feel that the truth is worth fighting for? Is it because the truth according to the rest of the world is lost on you? Like the fact the using misinformation to further your agenda is Wrong is lost on you, Oldtimer and a few other that will remain nameless!!!!
Econ I feel we will all be ahead if certain people stop using misinformed misleading attention grabbing headlines to further their/his protection agendas. And if you cared at all about an industry that your neighbors make a living at, you would want to stop the misinformation that Oldtimer is sending to his Senators and Congressmen too. But since you have yet to say anything to him I get the idea that using misinformation to further an agenda if fine with you. :wink:

 

[Econ101]

Why am I not surprized that you "a self proclaimed genius" would not feel that the truth is worth fighting for? Is it because the truth according to the rest of the world is lost on you? Like the fact the using misinformation to further your agenda is Wrong is lost on you, Oldtimer and a few other that will remain nameless!!!!

Okay, Tam, where is my self proclamation that I am a genius? That is an accolade you have contrived in your own mind. I won't argue with it.

Too much of the world connects bse with tse in humans. That is a reality. If you don't deal with that reality and try to parse words in an argument, you will be at the same place at the end of the day, maybe worse. The only way to stop allowing bse to be the boogeyman you and the rest of the world think it is ---is to take it head on, not with premise ID and all that, but with real testing and bse transmission routes successfully closed.

I hope you get the packers who sold MBM for cattle feed to pay for it instead of producers. Heck, maybe Canadians would own their own slaughter facilities instead of rich Americans.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Again they call it the "Human form of Mad Cow"

How do we know the cows don't have the Bovine form of Mad Human"

Was it not humans feeding sheep to cows that's supposed to have started this if the first place? Who's the "Mad" ones?

 

[Kathy]

reader stated:

You are correct that it is humans whose practices caused vCJD to emerge as a new and terrible disease. The UK still hasn't faced the threat appropriately as this article states. This poor young man should have been told that he might have vCJD due to the massive blood transfusions he received.

Can you believe it, I totally agree with reader on this statement. The fight against disease is certainly pointless, unless you know what disease you have and what causes it.

The media in Britian appears to be very cocky though. They have dropped the "thought to be" and "believed to be" phrases from their liabilous statements. But we should be good sheeple, Dr. Collinge is on the case, still....

BSE was not caused by feeding scrapie prions to cattle, this has been proven. Even the meat and bone meal transmission experiments didn't transmit the disease.

People are no different than cattle, or other mammals.

The transmission of an agent of disease in the blood, or other iatrogenic methods, is occurring. (did occur) this is why they banned naturally derived growth hormones for cattle and people. But, I truely believe that there must be an acknowledgement of the dangers of the metals, especially radionuclides, found in the blood before these terribly sad deaths stop.

If a person is told soon enough, that they received contaminated blood, there is a good chance that using some of these metal chelators could help. Further support with antioxidants and other detoxifying agents would at least give them a fighting chance.

I will post some new info, in a new thread which will truly open the door to many minds.