Sandhusker, Nobody values the environment more than us ranchers that make a living off of it. The difference is almost all the land in Mexico is privately owned, therefore if we damage the environment only we suffer. But we're smart enough to manage it ourselves without the BLM and state telling us how. There is no added cost here to manage the enviroment. Us ranchers are the stewards of the land.
The U.S won't alow any Mexican breeding stock into the US
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Sandhusker
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Ranchero said:
I was talking about Mexico in general. Your environmental laws are nowhere near the US's. Your labor laws, insurance requrements, taxs, etc..... are much different than ours. A rancher in Mexico and a rancher in the US can't run the same expenses in their cash flows. And it's not just the first-line expenses of taxes, employee benefits, FICA, etc... Each of our suppliers of the products we use have the same scenario.
What's the minimum wage in Mexico?
I don't hate any country or people. The only thing I hate is hate itself. You Don't have to swim here because we are free, you can just get in the car and drive or walk across and you are welcome here. I would like to know just how you got it all figured out your TB came from Mexico? According to Oldtimer the only state in the US with TB is Texas. You know our industry can acheive more working together to improve our way of life on both sides of the border than spreading rumors and lies about each others cattle. As for Mexicans wanting to come to the US looking for a better way of life. This has been happening since man first arived in North America. I came to Mexico looking for a better life and found it. I'll bet your family were imigrants also as were mine. Even my Shoshone indian father in-laws people crossed the Bering strait to get here, risking their lives as well. Well I pray your cattle do well and your family also. As for the poor souls crossing the border, I hope they find what their looking for. Our countries will acheive more when the people participate more and the corrupt politicians less. God Bless All of North America
What kind of breeding stock do you want to send over here? Do you have pictures? Many US cattlemen don't realize the money and quality some of you have put into your herds. I'll bet they are pretty similar to ours. I personaly don't see the difference between eating your beef and bringing across breeding stock. You send live cattle across the border all the time. So why not breeding cattle? When you drive commercial cattle across the border it is riskier from a health standpoint than when breeding stock comes across with a health certificate/
My compadras here don't realize the long history of business relationships we've had over the years with Mexico in the cattlebusiness. I think they should be more critical of your government and drug lords. However, I see we are making some progress in cooperating with fighting the drug lords. Mexico is historically our best trading partner in the cattle busubess.
Protocols have been established for US and Canadian breeding cattle to
enter Mexico.
I am providing a link to the USDA's web page with the news release and the
protocols for shipping breeding cattle.
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?contentidonly=true&contentid=2008/03/0087.xml
wonder what protocols they have set up for this ???
PLoS ONE. 2008; 3(3): e1830.
Published online 2008 March 19. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0001830. PMCID:
PMC2263129
Association of a Bovine Prion Gene Haplotype with Atypical BSE
snip...
PRNP variation in cattle is complex. Bovine PRNP polymorphism alleles
reflect a region of high linkage disequilibrium (LD) from the promoter
through a portion of intron two, and a region of low LD from intron two past
the three prime untranslated region. This genetic architecture is present
across populations of Bos taurus breeds and a similar trend has been
observed in a small sampling of Bos indicus influenced breeds [11]. A set of
19 haplotype tagging polymorphisms (htSNPS) was previously developed that
accounts for the genetic architecture of PRNP and characterizes haplotype
diversity within and across PRNP [11]. In this study, we used the htSNPs to
test PRNP haplotypes for an association with atypical BSE and report the
association of a relatively uncommon PRNP haplotype with atypical BSE.
snip...
Variation in the prion gene (PRNP) correlates with TSE susceptibility in
some mammals including cattle [1], [5]–[7]. The deletion alleles of two
bovine PRNP insertion/deletion polymorphisms, one within the promoter region
and the other in intron 1, associate with classical BSE susceptibility
[5]–[7]. These same alleles do not correlate with atypical BSE
susceptibility [8]. In 2006, a United States atypical BSE case was
identified and subsequently found to have a PRNP nonsynonymous polymorphism
(E211K) that is homologous to the human PRNP E200K polymorphism (observation
by J.A.R). The human K200 allele is a highly-penetrant risk factor for
genetic CJD [9]. To date, the K211 allele has not been observed in other
atypical BSE cases or reported in healthy cattle [10], [11]. Thus, while the
K211 allele may have been a genetic cause for one case of atypical BSE, it
has not accounted for the majority of atypical cases. Consequently, any
association of PRNP alleles with atypical BSE was largely unknown prior to
this study.
snip...
see full text ;
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2263129
http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2008/03/association-of-bovine-prion-gene.html
Sunday, March 16, 2008
MAD COW DISEASE terminology UK c-BSE (typical), atypical BSE H or L, and or
Italian L-BASE
http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2008/03/mad-cow-disease-terminology-uk-c-bse.html
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enter Mexico.
I am providing a link to the USDA's web page with the news release and the
protocols for shipping breeding cattle.
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?contentidonly=true&contentid=2008/03/0087.xml
wonder what protocols they have set up for this ???
PLoS ONE. 2008; 3(3): e1830.
Published online 2008 March 19. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0001830. PMCID:
PMC2263129
Association of a Bovine Prion Gene Haplotype with Atypical BSE
snip...
PRNP variation in cattle is complex. Bovine PRNP polymorphism alleles
reflect a region of high linkage disequilibrium (LD) from the promoter
through a portion of intron two, and a region of low LD from intron two past
the three prime untranslated region. This genetic architecture is present
across populations of Bos taurus breeds and a similar trend has been
observed in a small sampling of Bos indicus influenced breeds [11]. A set of
19 haplotype tagging polymorphisms (htSNPS) was previously developed that
accounts for the genetic architecture of PRNP and characterizes haplotype
diversity within and across PRNP [11]. In this study, we used the htSNPs to
test PRNP haplotypes for an association with atypical BSE and report the
association of a relatively uncommon PRNP haplotype with atypical BSE.
snip...
Variation in the prion gene (PRNP) correlates with TSE susceptibility in
some mammals including cattle [1], [5]–[7]. The deletion alleles of two
bovine PRNP insertion/deletion polymorphisms, one within the promoter region
and the other in intron 1, associate with classical BSE susceptibility
[5]–[7]. These same alleles do not correlate with atypical BSE
susceptibility [8]. In 2006, a United States atypical BSE case was
identified and subsequently found to have a PRNP nonsynonymous polymorphism
(E211K) that is homologous to the human PRNP E200K polymorphism (observation
by J.A.R). The human K200 allele is a highly-penetrant risk factor for
genetic CJD [9]. To date, the K211 allele has not been observed in other
atypical BSE cases or reported in healthy cattle [10], [11]. Thus, while the
K211 allele may have been a genetic cause for one case of atypical BSE, it
has not accounted for the majority of atypical cases. Consequently, any
association of PRNP alleles with atypical BSE was largely unknown prior to
this study.
snip...
see full text ;
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2263129
http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2008/03/association-of-bovine-prion-gene.html
Sunday, March 16, 2008
MAD COW DISEASE terminology UK c-BSE (typical), atypical BSE H or L, and or
Italian L-BASE
http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2008/03/mad-cow-disease-terminology-uk-c-bse.html
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UNITED STATES, MEXICO AND CANADA ANNOUNCE OIE CONSISTENT TRADE STANDARDS FOR CATTLE, FURTHERING PROGRESS FOR NAFTA PARTNERS
WASHINGTON, March 27, 2008—Officials from the United States, Canada and Mexico concluded a series of meetings today that provided all three countries an opportunity to discuss issues of mutual concern affecting agriculture, food and trade.
Today, Agriculture Secretary Ed Schafer and Canadian Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food Gerry Ritz held the first meeting between the countries since full implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) on Jan. 1, 2008. And, the United States, Canada and Mexico announced protocols, effective tomorrow, to harmonize standards for the export of U.S. and Canadian breeding cattle to Mexico consistent with international standards.
"Canada, Mexico and the United States have been engaged in candid, productive talks over the past two days," said Schafer. "As each other's most important trading partners, we discussed trade in a variety of agricultural products. We mutually agreed on the importance of normalizing beef and cattle trade in North America consistent with the guidelines established by the World Organization for Animal Health. Our respective industries have benefited when our countries have worked together, and we are confident that we can build on our history of trust and collaboration to continue to resolve issues and to help set the standard for progressive trade policy and science-based practices with other countries."
Tomorrow, USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS); Mexico's Secretaría de Agricultura, Ganadería, Desarrollo Rural, Pesca y Alimentación (SAGARPA); and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) will make effective protocols for the trade of breeding cattle born after Jan. 1, 1999, consistent with the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) standards. The new protocols outline conditions for the export of U.S. and Canadian cattle to Mexico. Canadian exporters will need to obtain import permits from APHIS and SAGARPA, as well as a health certificate from CFIA. Shipments will be inspected by U.S. and Mexican officials.
The harmonization of the standards in North America reaffirms the U.S. position that cattle can be traded safely when countries follow the OIE standards for effectively managing the risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), and further ensures that trade protocols for Canada, Mexico and the United States are consistent between the countries and with OIE. The protocols further a 2005 agreement to more effectively address the BSE risk in North America.
In May 2007, the OIE formally classified the United States as a controlled risk country for BSE. This status confirmed that U.S. BSE regulatory controls are effective and that U.S. beef and beef products of all ages can be safely traded.
OIE recommendations, which are based on the latest science, provide guidelines for trade in cattle of any age, as well as beef and many other cattle products. These guidelines apply to all OIE risk country classifications for BSE with recommended mitigation measures appropriately applied to protect both human and animal health.
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Contact:
Rachel Iadicicco (301) 734-3255
Corry Schiermeyer (202) 720-4623
USDA Release No. 0087.08
FAS PR 0059-08
http://www.fas.usda.gov/scriptsw/PressRelease/pressrel_dout.asp?PrNum=0059-08
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WASHINGTON, March 27, 2008—Officials from the United States, Canada and Mexico concluded a series of meetings today that provided all three countries an opportunity to discuss issues of mutual concern affecting agriculture, food and trade.
Today, Agriculture Secretary Ed Schafer and Canadian Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food Gerry Ritz held the first meeting between the countries since full implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) on Jan. 1, 2008. And, the United States, Canada and Mexico announced protocols, effective tomorrow, to harmonize standards for the export of U.S. and Canadian breeding cattle to Mexico consistent with international standards.
"Canada, Mexico and the United States have been engaged in candid, productive talks over the past two days," said Schafer. "As each other's most important trading partners, we discussed trade in a variety of agricultural products. We mutually agreed on the importance of normalizing beef and cattle trade in North America consistent with the guidelines established by the World Organization for Animal Health. Our respective industries have benefited when our countries have worked together, and we are confident that we can build on our history of trust and collaboration to continue to resolve issues and to help set the standard for progressive trade policy and science-based practices with other countries."
Tomorrow, USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS); Mexico's Secretaría de Agricultura, Ganadería, Desarrollo Rural, Pesca y Alimentación (SAGARPA); and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) will make effective protocols for the trade of breeding cattle born after Jan. 1, 1999, consistent with the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) standards. The new protocols outline conditions for the export of U.S. and Canadian cattle to Mexico. Canadian exporters will need to obtain import permits from APHIS and SAGARPA, as well as a health certificate from CFIA. Shipments will be inspected by U.S. and Mexican officials.
The harmonization of the standards in North America reaffirms the U.S. position that cattle can be traded safely when countries follow the OIE standards for effectively managing the risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), and further ensures that trade protocols for Canada, Mexico and the United States are consistent between the countries and with OIE. The protocols further a 2005 agreement to more effectively address the BSE risk in North America.
In May 2007, the OIE formally classified the United States as a controlled risk country for BSE. This status confirmed that U.S. BSE regulatory controls are effective and that U.S. beef and beef products of all ages can be safely traded.
OIE recommendations, which are based on the latest science, provide guidelines for trade in cattle of any age, as well as beef and many other cattle products. These guidelines apply to all OIE risk country classifications for BSE with recommended mitigation measures appropriately applied to protect both human and animal health.
#
Contact:
Rachel Iadicicco (301) 734-3255
Corry Schiermeyer (202) 720-4623
USDA Release No. 0087.08
FAS PR 0059-08
http://www.fas.usda.gov/scriptsw/PressRelease/pressrel_dout.asp?PrNum=0059-08
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Sandhusker
Well-known member
"The harmonization of the standards in North America reaffirms the U.S. position that cattle can be traded safely when countries follow the OIE standards for effectively managing the risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), and further ensures that trade protocols for Canada, Mexico and the United States are consistent between the countries and with OIE."
What about when countries don't follow the OIE's feed ban standards? Strange how the OIE can be both the expert and one to be ignored at the same time....
What about when countries don't follow the OIE's feed ban standards? Strange how the OIE can be both the expert and one to be ignored at the same time....
A littltle common sense can sure go a long way in the livestock business regardless of wether you live in Canada, United States or Mexico. We here in Mexico are taking every preventative measure to insure that our cattle herds and industry remain healthy. We are a country very dependent on the cattle business as you must know. Our people are not rich in money but are rich in pride, especially pride of their cattle and horses. I think many of the high and mighty here seemed to forget where the first real cowboys, ranches and love of the way of life came from. People with the attitude that all we have in Mexico are sick diseased cattle are nothing but full of sh*t. We are still living the life that was and is so revered. Come on down, we'll show you how it was being done before they started driving our herds North so you could live our life too. We're all part of the same. Please don't dis-respect our cattle because someone drew a line on a map after the Mexicans had their land stolen. Mexico was in the cattle business long before there was a US, and Mexico we'll be in the catttle business wether misinformed people spreading BS rumors because they got nothin' better to do. Just because most US citzens can't speak Spanish is a poor excuse to put down anothers efforts to make a living in the cattle business. As for wages and payroll taxes I can't help it if you ain't smart enough to to keep your government under control so you can compete in the world market. I don't know anybody here in Mexico that doesn't have legal family and relatives located in all parts of the US. So you ought to be careful when you bad mouth the Mexican Americans because their are also many American Mexicans too. Come on down to my ranch I'll show you a crew of some of the best cowboys and horsemen around and every acre of it is privete land. You won't find a four wheeler on the place just saddles, chaps and spurs. Have a nice day. and Thank you to those who have had the common sense to point out we're one and the same people regardless of lines on a map.
A littltle common sense can sure go a long way in the livestock business regardless of wether you live in Canada, United States or Mexico. We here in Mexico are taking every preventative measure to insure that our cattle herds and industry remain healthy. We are a country very dependent on the cattle business as you must know. Our people are not rich in money but are rich in pride, especially pride of their cattle and horses. I think many of the high and mighty here seemed to forget where the first real cowboys, ranches and love of the way of life came from. People with the attitude that all we have in Mexico are sick diseased cattle are nothing but full of sh*t. We are still living the life that was and is so revered. Come on down, we'll show you how it was being done before they started driving our herds North so you could live our life too. We're all part of the same. Please don't dis-respect our cattle because someone drew a line on a map after the Mexicans had their land stolen. Mexico was in the cattle business long before there was a US, and Mexico we'll be in the catttle business wether misinformed people spreading BS rumors because they got nothin' better to do. Just because most US citzens can't speak Spanish is a poor excuse to put down anothers efforts to make a living in the cattle business. As for wages and payroll taxes I can't help it if you ain't smart enough to to keep your government under control so you can compete in the world market. I don't know anybody here in Mexico that doesn't have legal family and relatives located in all parts of the US. So you ought to be careful when you bad mouth the Mexican Americans because their are also many American Mexicans too. Come on down to my ranch I'll show you a crew of some of the best cowboys and horsemen around and every acre of it is privete land. You won't find a four wheeler on the place just saddles, chaps and spurs. Have a nice day. and Thank you to those who have had the common sense to point out we're one and the same people regardless of lines on a map.
Sandhusker
Well-known member
Ranchero, "As for wages and payroll taxes I can't help it if you ain't smart enough to to keep your government under control so you can compete in the world market."
I don't understand how you can brag on your competitiveness when your country's single largest source of revenue is money sent back to Mexico from your citizens who were forced to leave with nothing but the clothes on their back because they couldn't find a job at home! I'm sorry, Ranchero, but it's plain to see that Mexico is not an economic model to be emulated.
You may have a point about your government being smart, though. Instead of addressing their problems of poverty and unemployment, they've found they can just pass it off on us by herding their people North, and may of the idiots we have in Washington are going for it.
I don't understand how you can brag on your competitiveness when your country's single largest source of revenue is money sent back to Mexico from your citizens who were forced to leave with nothing but the clothes on their back because they couldn't find a job at home! I'm sorry, Ranchero, but it's plain to see that Mexico is not an economic model to be emulated.
You may have a point about your government being smart, though. Instead of addressing their problems of poverty and unemployment, they've found they can just pass it off on us by herding their people North, and may of the idiots we have in Washington are going for it.
I never said Mexico was an ecomic model to be emulated. You Sandhusker have missed the point. I started this post, to point out that Mexico should be alowed export cows, bulls and replacement heifers to willing buyers in the US since we have allowed the US to send your breeding stock here. We have as fine of genetics as you do. As for the money Mexicans are sending to their families back home in Mexico. It is being used to purchased land, cattle, farms, infrastructure and homes as well as helping their families out. They have more of a sense of taking care of their relations than the neighbors to the north who are "all about me". Most of the Mexicans I know are planning to return home as soon as they can come home and work in their native land, which is where they really want to be. That is return without 10 year car loans, $20,000 credit card debt, and a 30 year home mortgage, outrageous taxes ( that lifestyle is not to be envied). Their apears to be a fair amount of demand for the hard working Mexican workers in the US. I think the US ranchers are afraid to compete with us Mexican and Canadian ranchers. Look what your protectionism economy has done for you so far.[/list]
Sandhusker
Well-known member
I think you've missed my point, Ranchero. You can't say we are afraid to compete without looking at the whole picture. Different environmental and safety laws, tax burdens, school levys etc....
I'll ask again; What is the minimum wage down there?
I'll ask again; What is the minimum wage down there?
Wah, wah, wah. The minimum wage here is the least amount a willing worker will work for a willing employer. This here is REAL "At will" employment country. I could go into details about how my cowboys will retire with a much better future than yours, but I won't at this time. I have a roundup to start in the morning. I have a dozen cowboys ready and willing to work from daylight to dark starting in the AM. If I didn't pay my workers a fair wage I wouldn't have any decent help and I do have some very fine cowboys. My cowboys don't want nothing to do with working in the US. Some have and said they didn't like it or the US lifestyle. Many of my US rancher friends have begged me to send them some Mexican cowboys to help them out because they're own are too expensive and hard to satisfy. Maybe you should talk to you politicians about raising the minimum wage some more. I don't think your workers are getting enough according to the news. Then you could cry some more about how unfair it is to have to compete with the poorly paid Mexicans. It's called freedom here, just like it used to be in the US.
Sandhusker
Well-known member
Ranchero said:
I'm not saying the higher wages we have to pay and the higher wages our suppliers have to pay (both of which raise the cost of our product) is unfair. What I am saying is that it is unfair to claim that we're afraid to compete when we have to pay costs that you don't.
I'm glad you're paying a decent wage, I commend you on that. However, the number of your countrymen up here suggest you are a micro-minority in that regard.
I understand and thank you for the complement. You know Sandhuskers raising cattle is a labor of love. We all in the business are just trying to make a decent living doing what we enjoy. We're all just people, the lines on the map don't make us any different form each other as human beings. Good luck in your future endeavers. And let's pray this price down turn doesn't last to long or go much lower.
