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Thompson/Center SS rifles?

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TimH

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I've been thinking about buying a single-shot rifle for years. I like the look and feel of Browning's 1885 models, but I am somewhat intrigued by Thompson's SS rifle system......buy any barrel you want, etc. Don't know if I like the break action compared to the falling block, though.
Does anyone have one or know anything about them??? I'm thinking it would be really cool to switch from a 22-250 or 243 barrel for coyotes , to a 7mm or 300 mag or 30-06 or whatever for bigger critters, or even a shotgun barrel.
 
Good choice. It is neat to be able to use one gun in several different calibers.

The Thomp's are a lot less trouble than the switch barrel bolt action guns I have. I can screw the barrels off and change calibers on them but the cartridge itself all have to have the same boltface size.

On the Thomps you can go from a 7mm Mag to a .223 just by changing barrels.

I ain't too fond of the triggers on them though. I like mine with less than a pound of pull and no travel to speak of.
 
You seriously hunt with a rifle with less than a pound of pull? That's not the safest setup in the forest my friend or are you sniping stuff at 500 yards off sandbags in a tree house.
 
Northern Rancher said:
You seriously hunt with a rifle with less than a pound of pull? That's not the safest setup in the forest my friend or are you sniping stuff at 500 yards off sandbags in a tree house.
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Stock triggers aren't safe, but the "Jewell" triggers are a different story.

Yes I have sandbags in my shooting house. A heater too. :lol:
 
Looks like my VISA card is gonna' take a lickin'!!!
#1 son turned 18 recently and I told him I wanted to buy him whatever rifle he wanted for his birthday. He wants a Browning A-bolt in 7mm Mag. Good choice on the rifle but I warned him about the recoil on the BIG 7, but he says he can handle it.I was hoping he would go for a 30-06 or 270.
I'm hoping that my local gun shop will maybe cut me a good deal if I buy a couple of rifles at the same time. I think I might go with the Thompson in a 22-250 to start out with and maybe add some other barrels in the future. What I am after, for now, is something I can take out coyotes with at 4-500 yards.....the old 30-30 ain't cuttin' it!!!!
There wasn't many coyotes around for a few years but now they seem to be back with a vengeance!!! I've picked off a few with my 22 mag while hauling bales but it isn't much good at any distance.
If I buy a Thompson, MIKE,, and it isn't worth a $hit, I'm going to call you bad names,you turd!! :wink: :D
 
TimH said:
Looks like my VISA card is gonna' take a lickin'!!!
#1 son turned 18 recently and I told him I wanted to buy him whatever rifle he wanted for his birthday. He wants a Browning A-bolt in 7mm Mag. Good choice on the rifle but I warned him about the recoil on the BIG 7, but he says he can handle it.I was hoping he would go for a 30-06 or 270.
I'm hoping that my local gun shop will maybe cut me a good deal if I buy a couple of rifles at the same time. I think I might go with the Thompson in a 22-250 to start out with and maybe add some other barrels in the future. What I am after, for now, is something I can take out coyotes with at 4-500 yards.....the old 30-30 ain't cuttin' it!!!!
There wasn't many coyotes around for a few years but now they seem to be back with a vengeance!!! I've picked off a few with my 22 mag while hauling bales but it isn't much good at any distance.
If I buy a Thompson, MIKE,, and it isn't worth a $hit, I'm going to call you bad names,you turd!! :wink: :D
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I make no endorsement of the quality of any gun.

By the way, the 7mm Mag won't kick any more than the 30-06 or the 270 in the A-bolt. Probably not as much as the 30-06.

You might shoot a coyote now and then with a Thompson at 400-500 but it won't be a normal occurance. 500 is a lot farther than most folks realize when shooting. The drop with a 55 grain bullet is around 3 feet at 500 yds.
 
Now I'm no rocket scientist but how is it possible that a 7mm Mag and a .270 would kick the same in the exact same model of gun? By the way you won't go wrong with an A-Bolt-I've got it's poorer cousing a BBR and it's served me well for 25 years or so. I'd talk him into a .270 it will kill anything there is to kill in Manitoba-there's a few bear,moose and deer have found that out here in Sask. lol.
 
Most folks use 130-140 grain bullets in 270's and 7 Mags both. Not a whole world of difference in the velocities = about the same recoil.
 
Just talked to my buddy who has a 7mm and a .270 barrel for his TC Encore-he says your one funny guy Mike lol. A Tikka made by Sako is a pretty sweet shooting gun too and alot less money.
 
I've never noticed a kick out of anything when hair is in the sites. Shooting at cans, they all kick too much. My worst kicking gun is a H&R 31/2 12ga in a single shot . If I remember it weighs 5.75lbs and will put a thump on you when you're shooting at a target but at turkeys it shoots as easy as a .22.
 
Red Robin said:
I've never noticed a kick out of anything when hair is in the sites. Shooting at cans, they all kick too much. My worst kicking gun is a H&R 31/2 12ga in a single shot . If I remember it weighs 5.75lbs and will put a thump on you when you're shooting at a target but at turkeys it shoots as easy as a .22.
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My old Buddy who was the Captain of Detectives had a double barrel 12 gauge that he cut down to about a 6" barrel and cut the stocks off at the pistol grips to make a pistol out of it-- Now that thing KICKED... Actually could say it was violent-- Either had to shoot it with one hand over the top of the barrel- or if you shot it one handed you had to put your other arm over your forehead to keep it from hitting you in the head and knocking you out...

But was that ever an alley cleaner :shock: :wink: :lol:
 
270 Win, 140 grain bullet w/ velocity at 3100 fps. 7 lb gun:

Recoil Velocity=12.9 fps
Recoil Energy = 18.2 ft/lbs.

7MM Rem Mag, 140 grain bullet w/ velocity at 3500 fps. 7 lb gun:

Recoil Velocity=13.8 fps
Recoil Energy=20.7 ft/lbs
 
Northern Rancher said:
Your point is-anybody whose shot them both can tell you the big 7 kicks perceivably more than a .270 which is a pretty mild calibre.
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I have both in an A-Bolt. I have shot both on a bench more than I care to. I can't tell the diff in recoil between the two. As you can tell (well... maybe you can't :???: ) ...the recoil energy is not that far apart.

I have never shot either caliber in the Thompson.

I know what I know, and you "perceivably" know what you know.

I'll just leave it at that.

Update:
I just looked up the ballistics published on the Hornady websight. The 270 pushing a 140 gr had a muzzle velocity of 3100 and the 7MM Mag had a muzzle velocity of 3150 with a 139 grain. Every law of physics say the recoil will be virtually the same if shot in the same gun.

2 different guns is a different deal.
 
Mike said:
Northern Rancher said:
Your point is-anybody whose shot them both can tell you the big 7 kicks perceivably more than a .270 which is a pretty mild calibre.
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I have both in an A-Bolt. I have shot both on a bench more than I care to. I can't tell the diff in recoil between the two. As you can tell (well... maybe you can't :???: ) ...the recoil energy is not that far apart.

I have never shot either caliber in the Thompson.

I know what I know, and you "perceivably" know what you know.

I'll just leave it at that.

Update:
I just looked up the ballistics published on the Hornady websight. The 270 pushing a 140 gr had a muzzle velocity of 3100 and the 7MM Mag had a muzzle velocity of 3150 with a 139 grain. Every law of physics say the recoil will be virtually the same if shot in the same gun.

2 different guns is a different deal.
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This information has me wondering, because there is a noticeable differnce in the size of the belted case of the 7 mag compared to the 270,also there is a differnce in muzzle blast,I tell them fools around here to let me know when they are going to light that thing off so I can have my ear plugs in,also you are going to pay more for cartridges for that 7 mag,and useing Mikes numbers,gettin darn little in return...............good luck

PS you caint even see a coyote at 500 yards tiny tim ,much less hit him :D
 
HAY MAKER said:
Mike said:
Northern Rancher said:
Your point is-anybody whose shot them both can tell you the big 7 kicks perceivably more than a .270 which is a pretty mild calibre.
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I have both in an A-Bolt. I have shot both on a bench more than I care to. I can't tell the diff in recoil between the two. As you can tell (well... maybe you can't :???: ) ...the recoil energy is not that far apart.

I have never shot either caliber in the Thompson.

I know what I know, and you "perceivably" know what you know.

I'll just leave it at that.

Update:
I just looked up the ballistics published on the Hornady websight. The 270 pushing a 140 gr had a muzzle velocity of 3100 and the 7MM Mag had a muzzle velocity of 3150 with a 139 grain. Every law of physics say the recoil will be virtually the same if shot in the same gun.

2 different guns is a different deal.
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This information has me wondering, because there is a noticeable differnce in the size of the belted case of the 7 mag compared to the 270,also there is a differnce in muzzle blast,I tell them fools around here to let me know when they are going to light that thing off so I can have my ear plugs in,also you are going to pay more for cartridges for that 7 mag,and useing Mikes numbers,gettin darn little in return...............good luck
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Haymaker, There is a such thing called powder efficiency in handloading rifle bullets. If it were as simple as just loading more powder in a rifle case and getting more velocity, everyone would be shooting a 50 Cal necked down to say 6mm or 22 cal.

Many times gun manufacturers make new calibers just to sell guns, whether they are efficient or not.

Take the 270 Win and the 7MM mag for instance. The case capacity of a 270 is 68 grains of water and the 7MM mag is 84 grains of water. The added dimensions of the 7mm case capacity does not make it push the bullet much faster than the 270 because a slower burning powder is needed in the 7mm for the powder to ignite properly and burn completely before the bullet exits the barrel.

Another good example is the .243 and the 6MM PPC. Although the PPC has nearly half the case/powder capacity of the .243, and shoots the same size bullet, it it almost as fast as the .243.

Yes, the 7MM Mag has a lot more powder than the 270 but mostly it is all bark and not much more bite.

P.O. Ackley wrote several books on just this subject.
 

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