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Those Diesel Pickups

Cowpuncher

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Some of you might remember a couple of years ago, We sold our ranch.
We kept our GMC Duramax 2500 HD. A couple of days ago, we traded it in for a Chevrolet 1500 half ton.

We owned the Duramax for 5 years. While it was a ranch truck, we kept track of every gallon of fuel that went into it. We put 2962.o gallons of diesel in it over 49,650 miles for an average of 16.76 MPG. At east 90% of the miles were highway. Every time it was filled up, I spent a lot of time making sure it was absolutely full to the top of the filler neck. The best mileage I ever got was 19.2 MPG and the worst was 10.0 (pulling a goosenweck trailer loaded with a 14,000# trencher.

I often talked with others while filling up at fuel stops and never found anyone with any 3/4 ton or one ton getting more that 19 or 20 MPG. Our Duramax had an Allison Transmission (which is one good gearbox). Maybe a manual transmission would get better mileage, But, I don't think you can even even buy a GM Diesel with a manual gear box anymore.

I have owned several diesels going back to 1982. They all performed pretty well - a couple of GM's and a Ford. We also had a couple of Dodges on the ranch owned by employees. They do their job very well, but unless someone keeps meticulous records of every ounce of fuel they put in them, I will continue to doubt the mileage claims some make. Diesel foams when put into the tank and unless one takes the time to make sure the tank is full to the neck without foam, a tank full will vary 2 or 3 gallons which will make a lot of difference in the claimed mileage.

I hope this doesn't start a word war, but I really do doubt that any diesel pickup can get more than about 20MPG, especially pulling something.

Even had a VW Diesel pickup many years ago which would get 45 or 50 MPG on the highway, but it had to be downshifted as soon as a hill cam into sight.
Also had a 5 cylinder Mercedes Diesel which would get about 25 on the highway, but it had no turbo. Once had it on a high mountain pass and it barely would move again once it was stopped.
 
I've only seen two diesels capable of it on a regular basis and only with some modifications. The 12 valve cummins and the 7.3l powerstroke were very capable of 20 mpg with a good cold air intake and free flowing exhaust. An extra few mpg's can be attained with a good programmer chip. Seems like conditions still have to be right, around here vehicles spend alot of time idling and that makes a huge difference.

Of course, come to think of it, you Yanks seem to be able to put 50 gallons or more in a 45 gallon drum, so that's a real game changer. :wink:
 
If you keep track of gallons put in and milage per time it does'nt matter if you put 10 gallons in or 30.First thing is to learn proper math after that figureing milage is'nt a problem.
 
okay...I follow what your saying cowpuncher, but what I wanna know is what your CURRENT truck is getting, as compared to the diesel. I myself am 'saddled' with a high-mileage 92' long-box, ext-cab half-ton Chevy...she has the orig 2-barrel TBI setup, which I 'enhanced' with a 3/4" Throttle-Body-Riser...nothing more than a cast-aluminum block which allows the feul to atomise a little more completely (so I'm told) and I did notice more 'poop' at low-end and top-end, and I THINK I'm getting better mileage...can't tell yet because I have'nt done the numbers yet.

Are you happier with your gas powered rig, than you were with the deisel ?
 
fuel is cheap, just drive... I even pump a few gallons into the vehicle beside me as I fill up!!


seriously, the milage really don't matter much to me, other than coffee shop bragging.... if the truck does its job, don't break much, and fires up everytime I turn the key, i am pretty dang happy
 
Well, considering the only diesel you're used to driving is a Chevy Duramax, that would logically explain why you don't think its possible for a diesel to attain more than 20 mpg. There's a couple neighbors around here that have Duramaxes and they are all around disgusted with them, especially the latest ones.
We have a lot of experience with Cummins diesels (12 and 24 valve 5.9's, and one 6.7) and it is nothing for them to hit 20 mpg, even pulling trailers. We've also owned a couple of older Chevy diesels, (6.2 non turbos) which weren't bad trucks if you like putting transmissions in, other than that they were completely gutless yet still got 22-26 mpg down the road and about 20-21 putzing around the farm.
I don't have much experience with Ford, but my friend's father has a new 6.0 twin turbo. He seems pleased with it so far, but the mileage is only around 12-16, and 8 with a trailer. This guy also owned older 7.3's and he didn't care much for that engine for power or mileage.

My vote goes for any Cummins, for reliability, power, and mileage if that's what you're worried about. Just my two cents...
 
i have an 2003 ford 1 ton with the 7.3 and gets about 20-22 mpg empty as long as you don't drive it like you stole it. i only checked it once, right after i got it and haven't since.
one thing that i get a kick out of, is those that are willing to pay 40-50K for a brand new pickup and then bench about fuel mileage. :roll: the way i see it, if you are willing to pay that much for a pickup, then whats a few more dollars for some extra fuel.
 
I've had one Ford and three Dodge diesels and only one of them would hit 20mpg. It was a 1997 Ram 3500 12V w/5spd. And that was just driving, no trailer and no extra wieght. Pulling a 32' stock trailer it would get 14mpg empty and 12mpg loaded(grossing over 30,000lbs.) I feel like most guys are so brand loyal that they tend to exaggerate thier MPG's a little just to make thier brand look better to the guy with another brand. With the outragous added cost of the diesel motors in new truck these days I went back to gas and get better mpg's than my last diesel. Granted it doesn't have the massive power of the diesel but, hey we all grew up with gas powered trucks and they got the job done just fine!
 
My 2006 Cummins is chipped-it gets better mileage at 70 than at 60 at 80 where i usually drive south of the medicine line it will get right around 20. At least it did going to New Mexico in the flatter country any way. What do guys charge to pull cattle trailers through the mountains-is it by the hour-going over the red mountain pass I'd need $100/loaded mile-I'm a bit of a chicken up high. We went through the Wolf Mountain other than just about scraping a brave biker off the windshield it went not too bad.
 
I'm with highdesert here...we got 20+ mpg with our 1997 12V 5-spd
Dodge 1-ton dually; haven't got that good with any of the others that
have been 24 valve; this one (2006) gets 16-17 mpg empty.
But it's a good outfit with plenty of power (and it's not chipped, even
though Mr. FH chipped all the others). It's a 6-speed manual. He's
really likes a lot of power so I know this rig has it, or he'd chip it...
and we've been everywhere with it. Pulled a 28' travel trailer over by
Portland, Oregon over all those mountain passes and he was very satisfied with how it pulled. And it got an average of 11 mph on that
trip, coming and going. FWIW

Did I mention that our water has frozen today? :mad:
Sure do hate that. We have big water tank in the basement,
and it's empty...not fun in this weather...
 
just 2 bad you can't get a cummins in anything other than a dodge. I have had 4 fords 3 powerstrokes and none of them ever got more than a 15 mpg average. They do tend to just putt around or are hooked to a trailer.
 
Andy said:
just 2 bad you can't get a cummins in anything other than a dodge. I have had 4 fords 3 powerstrokes and none of them ever got more than a 15 mpg average. They do tend to just putt around or are hooked to a trailer.

My '02 7.3 hovers right around 17 mpg in good conditions, I put a Superchip in it a bit ago and am running on the economy mode so we'll see how it turns out. I can tell it is some better for sure, and lots of power. Talking to any mechanics and dealers will tell the tale..... the 7.3 is as good a diesel as they ever made for a pickup, last forever, and are cheap to work on (as far as diesels go). I always get a kick out of it when I talk to anyone who has a lot to do with diesel pickups proffesionally. As soon as the 7.3 name comes up they all get a smile on their face and then they gotta tell you how wonderful they are, how much power they are capable of making, and how long they last.
I agree with you though Andy, it's too bad you can't get a Cummins in something other than a Dodge...... best part of those trucks and Dodge doesn't make it :lol: The 12V Cummins is a fine creature too.
 
silver, i agree with you on the 7.3s. i believe them to be a favorite of many. and the proof of that is how hard it is to find a good used 7.3. those that have them don;t want to part with them. i pulled in to a ford dealer awhile back, to look at some older pickups for the ranch. one of the salesmen came out and from about 50 yards away he says, "is that a 7.3?, sounds like a 7.3" i could see the disappointment on his face when i told him i wasn't trading this one. he said he has a list a mile long of people wanting one....they are just hard to come by.
 
Justin said:
silver, i agree with you on the 7.3s. i believe them to be a favorite of many. and the proof of that is how hard it is to find a good used 7.3. those that have them don;t want to part with them. i pulled in to a ford dealer awhile back, to look at some older pickups for the ranch. one of the salesmen came out and from about 50 yards away he says, "is that a 7.3?, sounds like a 7.3" i could see the disappointment on his face when i told him i wasn't trading this one. he said he has a list a mile long of people wanting one....they are just hard to come by.

That's just how it was when I was shopping for a 7.3. It took a couple of years of having salesmen laugh at me when I enquired about them. They would usually laugh and say something like "Ha, if you find one let us know, I could sell a lot full of them today! Good luck!"
 
I would love a Cummins but dodges are no longer power wagons. The bodies are a joke.

I have a 99 1T 7.3. I bought it new. Put 4.11 finals in it as I pull a trailer with it. 14mpg empty. 11-14mpg hauling horses & farm equipment.

I didn't buy it for it's fuel econony.
 

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