Time to shut down the border again?

[Anonymous]

Agman- About the only way you would ever get any acceptance of credibility from me again is if you could prove that your info source is the same one Hillary had on her commodity trading :wink: :lol:

And I doubt that source would do the same market manipulations for either you or me.... :roll:

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "I guess you are a misinformed as Sandy regarding the acceptance of U.S beef in Japan. That is truly sad. Adequate supply is the issue, not consumer demand. You might get up to speed on that fact. You might even ask Creekstone if that is not true."

Why then all the efforts and dollars spent to "regain confidence"? I've brought that up several times and you have skirted it each time.

 

[fedup2]

BigMuddy writes ["So fedup what percentage of your total kill would those truckers be hauling. On one hand you guys tell us about all the cattle that are being imported from Canada then on the other hand we just have a insignificant amout when compared to places like Nebraska."]

First of all lets get a couple of things straight. No where did I imply anything in my post. I was sharing information. I live in a border state and see the numbers of trucks coming across.
As far as the 'you guys' part of your post, please explain to me who 'you guys' are?

I let you draw your own conclusions from the information I posted, because I don't have time to play your silly @ss games. I am still looking for answers and you seem to have them all. Hope you take time from your silly @ss posts running people and this country down, & share some of this vast knowledge you imply that you have! As of lately, I don't think one could squeeze an ounce of truth or information out of your posts with a 40 ton press!
There! We went from sharing information to trading insults again. I guess, if that's what you like or all you have ……! :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Mike]

Agman: Adequate supply is the issue, not consumer demand.

Wonder why the USDA did not consider this when they negotiated the "under 21 months" deal with Japan?

While caving in to their demands they HAD to have known that supply would be limited.

Using hindsight as a determining factor, wouldn't we be better off if the USDA had allowed voluntary testing?

 

[Sandhusker]

I wonder why the USDA says trade must be based on "sound science" and then negotiates a 21 month age limit.

 

[Anonymous]

Facts: The border was closed while the cattle industry was ending a liquidation period due to sustained drought. Herd rebuilding was beginning. During said period annual beef production declined from 27.2 billion pounds to 24 .8 billion pounds. Domestic cow slaughter declined from a peak of 7.2 million head to 4.8 million head annually, a decline of 2.4 million head. Do you still believe stopping 330,000 Canadian cows from entering the U.S annually impacted the market more than a drop in domestic cow slaughter of 2.4 million head?

What's wrong import blamers?

Why don't you step up to the plate and refute Agman's data?

Tell us how Canadian imports are having a bigger factor on our markets than corn prices and other market factors.

Then perhaps you can explain why feeder calf prices reached an all time high in the fall of 2005 with an opened Canadian border which was higher than 2004 with a closed Canadian border. Come on OT, step up to the plate and defend your position that Canadian imports are the reason for lower cattle prices.

When you're done with that, then perhaps you can explain what will happend to Canadian beef and live cattle if it's banned. Any bets on whether or not it will steal an equal share of our Japanese market? Nah, you R-CULT import blamers can't see that far ahead.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

What share of our Japanese market? We aren't sending them hardly anything now.

 

[Anonymous]

BTW OT,

Why is your buddies cussing source verification? You R-CULTers were the ones telling everyone that consumers deserved to know where their beef comes from. What's up with that? Ahhh.......well......gee......ah......

Hypocrites!


~SH~

 

[Anonymous]

BTW OT,

Why is your buddies cussing source verification? You R-CULTers were the ones telling everyone that consumers deserved to know where their beef comes from. What's up with that? Ahhh.......well......gee......ah......

Hypocrites!


~SH~

They were not cussing source/birthdate verification--They were cussing your NCBA/USDA source verification plan- which isn't apparently being accepted by or wanted by the buyers or feeders...So far its a waste of money......

They still apparently prefer signed affidavits- that don't cost $3-4 head and all the time, effort, and extra stress on the animal to install...Another case of your NCBA leaders leading producers down the yellow brick road for their own profiteering purposes...

By the way SH- Do the Doctors know you walked out? :wink: :lol: :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

OT: "They were not cussing source/birthdate verification--They were cussing your NCBA/USDA source verification plan- which isn't apparently being accepted by or wanted by the buyers or feeders...So far its a waste of money...... "

Hahaha! Oh, I see, now there is a difference between "source/birthdate verification" and "NCBA/USDA source verification plan"....BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

You've really outdid yourself this time.

Ok whiskey drinker, explain to everyone the difference between "souce/birthdate verification" and "NCBA/USDA source verification" (whatever the hell that is). Let's hear it big shooter....

Observe as OT does the same dance that was taught to him by Bullard, Sandbag, Conman, & Co....................


~SH~

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "What share of our Japanese market? We aren't sending them hardly anything now."

What are we sending them now? Bring the data!

What do we normally send them? Bring the data!

Why are we sending them less? Bring the data!

Observe as Sandbag diverts yet again from having to back his position.................


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Observe as a grown man acts like a snot-nosed 7th grader on a sugar high..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hurry up and get over here, Ma! That guy that you thought was a grade-school kid is back!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

OT: "They were not cussing source/birthdate verification--They were cussing your NCBA/USDA source verification plan- which isn't apparently being accepted by or wanted by the buyers or feeders...So far its a waste of money...... "

Hahaha! Oh, I see, now there is a difference between "source/birthdate verification" and "NCBA/USDA source verification plan"....BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

You've really outdid yourself this time.

Ok whiskey drinker, explain to everyone the difference between "souce/birthdate verification" and "NCBA/USDA source verification" (whatever the hell that is). Let's hear it big shooter....

Observe as OT does the same dance that was taught to him by Bullard, Sandbag, Conman, & Co....................


~SH~

Source/birthdate verification has been going on for years around here with producers using signed affidavits- hot iron brands, and brand inspection government certification... Apparently the feeders/buyers don't want the USDA/NCBA promoted eartag one-- as they are not paying even for the additional cost...

NCBA is only pushing it since they stand to profit off their database and their tag partnership with Allflex...Another conflict of interest that NCBA has stuck themselves in to profit from...Gets hard to to believe they value the producers interests , when they put their own profiteering first... :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Ahhh....what's wrong Sandbag? Can't back your position AGAIN?


What are we sending them now? Bring the data!

What do we normally send them? Bring the data!

Why are we sending them less? Bring the data!


Did I call the diversion or what? Gee as if Sandbag would actually back a position with supporting facts. Hahaha! Heaven forbid, he's an R-CULTer, what did you expect?


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Ahhh....what's wrong Sandbag? Can't back your position AGAIN?


What are we sending them now? Bring the data!

What do we normally send them? Bring the data!

Why are we sending them less? Bring the data!


Did I call the diversion or what? Gee as if Sandbag would actually back a position with supporting facts. Hahaha! Heaven forbid, he's an R-CULTer, what did you expect?


~SH~

We sent them 160T in August, 1200T in Sept. We used to send them over 20,000T/mo. If you do the math, you will see that our Sept. shipments were only 6% of what we used to send. That's how Agman gets them to scrample - only cut loose 6%. If you cut the supply of pet boa constricors, some folks will be lining up for them, too.

We are sending them less because the USDA forgot their "sound science" requirement they've been spouting off about and got us in a deal where we can't possibly supply what we used to.

You wanted data from a R-CALF member? You got it.

Now how are you going to make an ash out of yourself? Oooops foolish question, you've always succeeded before. I'm sure you'll find a way again.

 

[Econ101]

Ahhh....what's wrong Sandbag? Can't back your position AGAIN?


What are we sending them now? Bring the data!

What do we normally send them? Bring the data!

Why are we sending them less? Bring the data!


Did I call the diversion or what? Gee as if Sandbag would actually back a position with supporting facts. Hahaha! Heaven forbid, he's an R-CULTer, what did you expect?


~SH~

Is that a chant or a song you have learned SH?

 

[TimH]

Timmy boy- about the only way your going to disprove those prices to those that saw them before are if the border was shut tight today and the prices didn't go to that-- Nothing else will show it.....

You have to remember that figures aren't the whole game here- much of it is the Packers Canadian captive supply (remember all those the Packer owned/controlled sold first that took all the BSE disaster funds, while everyone else took it in the shorts) which figures even more into the picture....

So are you sticking to your " CDN imports are to blame for 20 to 25% of the price drop" or aren't you???
It's a simple question.

If the border was closed- I believe prices would be 20 to 25% higher across the board......Thats about where they set with cull differences right now too....

And Manitoba- I did acknowledge all the other reasons (feed prices, fuel, truck shortages, etc)...But if we don't have as much demand and packers are cutting back slaughter- part of it lost because of all Canada's mad cow announcements-- then why should we need to import? Especially when we are not exporting to any real point yet.....

What necessity are you going to cut out? Oil- Yeah- maybe Montana oil can get into the pipeline then and bring more than $40 barrel :wink: ....

Hmmm??? If only we had some historical reference to go by........ wait a minute.... I think we do...
When the border re-opened to boxed beef in September '03, how much did US live cattle prices drop???? None ,you say??? They continued to increase, you say????
What about when the border re-opened to live UTM cattle from Canada??? Did the US price drop anywhere near "20 to 25%" ???? No???? Less than 10% ,you say???

 

[Anonymous]

So are you sticking to your " CDN imports are to blame for 20 to 25% of the price drop" or aren't you???
It's a simple question.

If the border was closed- I believe prices would be 20 to 25% higher across the board......Thats about where they set with cull differences right now too....

And Manitoba- I did acknowledge all the other reasons (feed prices, fuel, truck shortages, etc)...But if we don't have as much demand and packers are cutting back slaughter- part of it lost because of all Canada's mad cow announcements-- then why should we need to import? Especially when we are not exporting to any real point yet.....

What necessity are you going to cut out? Oil- Yeah- maybe Montana oil can get into the pipeline then and bring more than $40 barrel :wink: ....

Hmmm??? If only we had some historical reference to go by........ wait a minute.... I think we do...
When the border re-opened to boxed beef in September '03, how much did US live cattle prices drop???? None ,you say??? They continued to increase, you say????
What about when the border re-opened to live UTM cattle from Canada??? Did the US price drop anywhere near "20 to 25%" ???? No???? Less than 10% ,you say???

Timmy- Just as the prices didn't immediately jump to their unprecedented , unpredicted by the Ouija Board readers, record prices at the minute, hour, and day that the border closed- neither can you expect them to drop exactly when the border reopens... Both take a period of time to produce a result....:roll:

But to most the apparent action of closing the border showed in the resulting action of prices rising to record highs-- which proved to many the negative impact Canada cattle and beef have on the US producers prices...Even R-CALF's trade challenge ruling agreed- all they were unable to agree on at that time was how big the impact was...The closing of the border for a period of time showed us........

 

[TimH]

If the border was closed- I believe prices would be 20 to 25% higher across the board......Thats about where they set with cull differences right now too....

And Manitoba- I did acknowledge all the other reasons (feed prices, fuel, truck shortages, etc)...But if we don't have as much demand and packers are cutting back slaughter- part of it lost because of all Canada's mad cow announcements-- then why should we need to import? Especially when we are not exporting to any real point yet.....

What necessity are you going to cut out? Oil- Yeah- maybe Montana oil can get into the pipeline then and bring more than $40 barrel :wink: ....

Hmmm??? If only we had some historical reference to go by........ wait a minute.... I think we do...
When the border re-opened to boxed beef in September '03, how much did US live cattle prices drop???? None ,you say??? They continued to increase, you say????
What about when the border re-opened to live UTM cattle from Canada??? Did the US price drop anywhere near "20 to 25%" ???? No???? Less than 10% ,you say???

Timmy- Just as the prices didn't immediately jump to their unprecedented , unpredicted by the Ouija Board readers, record prices at the minute, hour, and day that the border closed- neither can you expect them to drop exactly when the border reopens... Both take a period of time to produce a result....:roll:

But to most the apparent action of closing the border showed in the resulting action of prices rising to record highs-- which proved to many the negative impact Canada cattle and beef have on the US producers prices...Even R-CALF's trade challenge ruling agreed- all they were unable to agree on at that time was how big the impact was...The closing of the border for a period of time showed us........

Oldtimer-(quote from page 1 of this thread

)-"Like I said 2 years ago- after the border was closed and we immediately saw RECORD across the board prices...."

Which way is it Dicky.........."immediately" or "a period of time"???

:roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Well- Timmy -- they were so good it seemed immediate :wink: ...They immediately started going up- and broke records for sometime--but the top records weren't reached for awhile ...But they definitely showed how much Canuck and imported cattle can affect the US cattle prices....

Only way we can tell for sure will be to close the border again.....