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To worm or not to worm?

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To Worm or Not to Worm

I was helping my sister worm her sheep last weekend. (More accurately I was keeping her company while she did the work.) I don't remember what she was using. I don't keep track of that sort of thing, but it involved treating them for five consecutive days. She's got a small flock of a little over 40 Jacob ewes with over 80 lambs. Jacobs have 2 or 4 horns and as a former sheep shearer they make me glad I'm a former shearer. Robin was on the second day of treatment and was not thrilled with the prospect of doing this for three more days. I asked Robin why she was worming them. "Because they have worms," she said. Then she added,"This is what the vet recommended."

We started talking about what might happen if the ewes and lambs weren't wormed. I'm sure productivity would drop, especially on some of the ewes, but other ewes would probably be less affected. This raises some interesting questions. Would the benefit of selecting a relatively parasite resistant animal be worth the cost? What would it cost (e.g. lower reproductive rates, lower weaning weights, higher culling rates) to select parasite resistant animals? Would 40 ewes be a big enough population to do this kind of selection? Geneticists tell me that it is pretty hard to have a genetics program with fewer than 400 animals. I don't know what kind of success a producer like my sister would have working on a much smaller scale.

Tom Lasater, founder of the Beef Master breed of cattle once wrote, "More emphasis has been placed on medication than on breeding trouble-free cattle with the result that, to some extent, United States producers have bred the vigor out of their cattle." We protect our animals from cold and heat, drought, too much rain, parasites, rough terrain, predators, poor quality feed and many other problems. The result is that we have created animals that need protection.

Lasater didn't recommend eliminating the vaccination program. He recommended vaccinating only against diseases that must be prevented. He believed that vaccinating for the panoply of diseases in the environment is one of the factors causing our animals to be less resistant to those diseases.

There is a cost to restoring hardiness and vigor. Culling rates will increase for a time, average weaning weights will go down and during the transition period the savings on input costs may not cover the lost revenue resulting from lower performance. Would the advantage of having adapted animals that thrive without inputs be worth it? That's a question only my sister can answer for her operation. It's a question only you can answer for yours. I welcome your thoughts and experiences on this issue.

This came in a E-Mail from Dave Pratt of Ranch Management Consultants.

What do you guys think?
 
I think it has a lot of merit in the long term. I consider Lasater one of the great breeders in history. The short term cost for one single breeder may be too much to bear. I do believe some vigor and doability has been breed out of our cattle through the years as a result of "over health caring them" and "over supplementing" them. A lot of progress could be made after just a couple of generations of very hard culling.
 
For selection to be selection it has to be harsh to some extent. I had an interesting conversation with the guy who unloads hay trucks for me. He'd finished and I said I'll see you in X number of days-his reply was you'll be out of feed before then. I replied they were getting X number of total pounds a day. His reply was 'How big are your cows'. My reply was the kind that can get by on that amount of feed for that number of days. He said do you just get rid of the ones that can't-you betcha. That tends to take cows off both ends of the size scale but leaves the middle doing pretty well.
 
In the south we are seriously looking at the area around the pupil before worming sheep and goats. Seems there are those individuals that can remain productive without constant parasite control program.
 
I think that most of the cattle breeds have become too dependent on man in most circumstances.This is the first year that we weren't going to deworm the cows.We ended up doing them a couple of weeks ago just because I thought they were scratching too much. Lice or shedding hair? About 80% looked really well after bale grazing all winter without being dewormed in the fall like we have always done.The other 20% are just hard keepers so I don't think deworming would have made any difference. My biggest concern, however is lice. I have treated a ton of calves for pneumonia in the middle of the summer when I used to work at a community pasture.These were calves up to probably 500 lbs and were crawling with lice. We started packing along injectable ivomec as a routine with our other drugs. I am convinced that the lice were the major cause for these calves getting sick.
 
Also, an animal lacking in copper is supposed to be more prone to lice infestation.Probably with the right type of cow worms shouldn't be a major concern. We also have goats, and some look good all the time and others only look good after they get dewormed until they get reinfested again. So I guess it's genetics.
 
Injectible Ivomec is better suited for internal parasites and
pour-on is better for treating externals. Why did you use
injectible for lice?

We take lots of fecal samples for our customers and it is always
interesting and hardly ever predictable. If you really want to know
if your cattle are wormy, take a fecal sample and send it to a lab.
DO NOT take it to a vet to have the fecal run, unless your vet
has a Wisconsin Spinner. The vet at Broadus, Mt. has one of these,
but he is the only vet I know of that has one.

We have had some cattle come back loaded with worms and some
that aren't. Very interesting that one of our customers who runs
yearlings had heifers on one side of the road and steers on the
other. He didn't think the heifers were doing so well, so he asked
that we run fecals on both bunches. We did and we found what
he suspected, the heifers were loaded with worms while the
steers weren't. These cattle were run together all winter. The only
difference was the pasture they were on. One pasture had a lot
of worms that were injested by the cattle, while the other pasture
was relatively clean.

So you can fool yourself, or you can run fecals and know for sure.
 
Faster Horses: We were treating these calves out on open pasture(roping them). Pour on is too cumbersome to carry on your horse along with everything else we pack.The lice we were treating were sucking lice so a small 100 c.c. plastic bottle (Ivomec) was convenient for carrying in your saddlebag.Started treating most pneumonia calves with Ivomec whether they had lice or not, and noticed they improved a lot quicker. We had very low death losses, even in the ones that we called walking dead(really sick).
 
If the area around the pupil looks similar to a road map we are not treating. If the same area is white or a pale yellowish looking they are treated. I was told that a researcher from Auburn was putting together a picture chart with different looks at this area. Producers could compare animals to the chart and make the decision to treat or not.
I know in my own operation that the animals I don't treat keep a body condition score similar to their treated pasture mates.
 
BMR What product was your sister using that required 5 days handling? Was it a drench? Should of used Ivomec at it is good for 43 days.
 
RAC said:
BMR What product was your sister using that required 5 days handling? Was it a drench? Should of used Ivomec at it is good for 43 days.

If you read the post you would know that it was not MY sister but Dave Pratts from Ranching for Profit fame.
The jist of the article wasn't worming sheep it was all the practices we do to our livestock.
 
Yeah, I'd like to re-visit the jist of the article: Has the vigor and doability been bred out of our cattle (livestock) from years of pampering (too much supplementing, too much antibiotics, too much vaccines).

I think Lasater was on the right course. Let nature sort it out. After a few generations of hard culling and less pampering the more adaptable, vigorous, naturally immune cattle would come to the fore.
 
What happens to the herds when the parasites become drug- resistent to Ivomec/worming meds? Probably what is happening now with malaria and TB in humans? :shock:
 

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