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Topps E-Coli Source Found? In Canada?

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In September, Topps recalled 21.7 million pounds of frozen meat products — the second largest meat recall in U.S. history — after 40 people in eight states were sicked by E. coli bacteria linked to the company's frozen hamburger patties.Among 24 ill persons for whom hospitalization status is known, fifteen were hospitalized.

The investigation is examining 45 cases of E. coli O157:H7 that were found in New Brunswick, Quebec, Saskatchewan, Ontario and British Columbia. These cases were previously reported from July to September, 2007. As a result of these cases, eleven people were hospitalized and one elderly individual died in Canada.
So if I add this up then 85 plus persons were ill and 1 died all together. Ranchers beef was't killing enough to keep Topps operating in the US. plus the Canadian sales together. Also the ecoli H7 strain data is weird. Was someone in Canada importing cheap grinds from another country and mixing at Ranchers Beef or at another location? Lots of QUESTIONS to be answered. Everyone needs faster traceback .
 
Geeze Tex, why would you try to ruin another perfectly good conspiracy with common sense! The stories on Bull Session are much more enjoyable to read then some silly old facts!
If you had been following these topics long enough you would have learned what reliable sources north of our border have been pointing
out all along.

First of all, this is all a plot started by the 3 Amigos !(Oldtimer, Sandhusker, & Haymaker)
They started by sending an American over to infect the Canadian herd with BSE! Then they shut down the border. When the USDA tried to sneak around their own rules, the 3 Amigos pointed it out and kept it closed. These guys are really bad men!

To make matters worse, according to another reliable Canadian source, GW blew up our own Towers so we could go to war and seize all the oil! Now from reading this forum, I know that the 3 Amigos are involved in this somewhere. Maybe to distract people from seeing how they plan
on stealing the Canadian herd while pointing fingers at the packers! Remember, these 3 guys are evil! Put nothing past them!

Now somehow, they plotted to spread e-coli north of the border. They had to have had help. Probably from this Neil guy. The way it sounds,
he is evil too. Anyway, keep an eye out for these guys. They have
been seen traveling around the US with backhoes and rifles
shooting & burying all the suspicious looking cattle before they can be tested! (this from several more reliable sources on this forum)!
The plot thickens! Don't miss a single issue of Bullsession!
Remember, you cannot buy this kind of entertainment at your supermarket.

Although none of this is a laughable matter, some of these posts crack me up. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
The consequences of retailers suppressing the market price of their inputs because of their market power (more cheap ground beef to be sold cheaply to Walmart's, Sam's,etc customers). Suppression of the supply chain through market power leads to problems.

I hope Sam's and Walmart are both included in the lawsuit. They sold faulty product. They could have tested it themselves or made sure that the USDA did a good job. Instead, they went for the sales of CHEAP but DANGEROUS FOOD!
 
fedup2 said:
Geeze Tex, why would you try to ruin another perfectly good conspiracy with common sense! The stories on Bull Session are much more enjoyable to read then some silly old facts!
If you had been following these topics long enough you would have learned what reliable sources north of our border have been pointing
out all along.

First of all, this is all a plot started by the 3 Amigos !(Oldtimer, Sandhusker, & Haymaker)
They started by sending an American over to infect the Canadian herd with BSE! Then they shut down the border. When the USDA tried to sneak around their own rules, the 3 Amigos pointed it out and kept it closed. These guys are really bad men!

To make matters worse, according to another reliable Canadian source, GW blew up our own Towers so we could go to war and seize all the oil! Now from reading this forum, I know that the 3 Amigos are involved in this somewhere. Maybe to distract people from seeing how they plan
on stealing the Canadian herd while pointing fingers at the packers! Remember, these 3 guys are evil! Put nothing past them!

Now somehow, they plotted to spread e-coli north of the border. They had to have had help. Probably from this Neil guy. The way it sounds,
he is evil too. Anyway, keep an eye out for these guys. They have
been seen traveling around the US with backhoes and rifles
shooting & burying all the suspicious looking cattle before they can be tested! (this from several more reliable sources on this forum)!
The plot thickens! Don't miss a single issue of Bullsession!
Remember, you cannot buy this kind of entertainment at your supermarket.

Although none of this is a laughable matter, some of these posts crack me up. :lol: :lol: :lol:



:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I love it, fedup2! You're a really funny guy!


:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
 
You left half of it out, Fedup! We're also anti-trade and protectionist. While trying to bankrupt all Canadian producers, we demand that the rest of the world take our product. We've been funneling profits from our auction sales to fund Al Quada and Ted Kennedy's reelection.

You try to uncover us again, and the next set of bones the Koreans find in their box of roasts will be yours.
 
Mike said:
Canadian firm likely supplied tainted beef



WASHINGTON (AP) -- A now-defunct Canadian beef firm was the likely source of
bacteria-contaminated meat used to make frozen hamburgers that later sickened 40 people in eight states, the Agriculture Department said Friday.

A joint U.S.-Canadian investigation matched the DNA fingerprint of E. coli O157:H7
bacteria isolated from beef trim that had remained in storage with Rancher's Beef Ltd. to samples taken both from victims of the food poisoning outbreak and packages, both intact and opened, of New Jersey-based Topps Meat Co. frozen hamburgers. Rancher's Beef of Balzac, Alberta, had supplied Topps with beef trim used to make the patties, the USDA said.

A message left with Rancher's Beef, which has ceased operations, was not immediately returned.

http://www.c-n.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071026/FRONT01/71026053

I thought Rancher's Beef was slaughtering OTMs ?
 
PORKER said:
I think your RIGHT,Rancher's Beef was slaughtering OTMs .

Seems they started out with the idea of exporting (which would be UTM), but the CFIA wouldn't get off the USDA teat to help their own. I wonder....
 
Ranchers beef was killing both OTM and UTM cattle boys. Cargill and Tyson were sucking the blood out of every vein of this plant toward the end. Especially the labor which is hard enough to find up here in Oilberta. Offering higher wages to hungry employees with their war chest built up over the last few years of excessive profits.

Not many good stories about Topps either. Sounds like they used to be pretty ethical but were bought out a few years back and ramped up the production with cheap labor and cheap beef. Word is the recall may have not been so devastating had they kept up on the testing suggested, but not really adhered to by any of these big players. Lots of holes on both sides - but for now the rcalf boys are up 2-1 but I think we are only in the second period. (that's about the 6th inning for you non Hockey boys.)


Fedup -
To make matters worse, according to another reliable Canadian source, GW blew up our own Towers so we could go to war and seize all the oil!

Sorry bud - American source - just agreement with it from this Canadian and maybe a few more and LOTS of Americans.
 
rkaiser said:
Ranchers beef was killing both OTM and UTM cattle boys. Cargill and Tyson were sucking the blood out of every vein of this plant toward the end. Especially the labor which is hard enough to find up here in Oilberta. Offering higher wages to hungry employees with their war chest built up over the last few years of excessive profits.

Not many good stories about Topps either. Sounds like they used to be pretty ethical but were bought out a few years back and ramped up the production with cheap labor and cheap beef. Word is the recall may have not been so devastating had they kept up on the testing suggested, but not really adhered to by any of these big players. Lots of holes on both sides - but for now the rcalf boys are up 2-1 but I think we are only in the second period. (that's about the 6th inning for you non Hockey boys.)


Fedup -
To make matters worse, according to another reliable Canadian source, GW blew up our own Towers so we could go to war and seize all the oil!

Sorry bud - American source - just agreement with it from this Canadian and maybe a few more and LOTS of Americans.

Rkaizer,

I am a Republican, have been for a longtime...I read tis and smile...."Does anyone think GW is smart enough to pull that off or eve see the boost it gave him?"


PPRM
 
What about the ''Porker'' theory that states in no uncertan terms that this strain of e coli could NOT have been from Canada :shock: Should that be proof in this case that they are barking up the wrong tree :lol:
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
rkaiser said:
:lol: Sure wouldn't be GW on his own. I don't think that that dumbass could blow up a balloon.



:clap: :clap: :clap: :lol2:


Best one I've heard in a long time!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
10/28/2007 12:16:00 PM


Beef Update: CFIA Investigates E. coli Cases In Canada



OTTAWA, October 26, 2007 – The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) and the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) are currently investigating possible linkages between E. coli cases that occurred earlier this summer in Canada.


The investigation is examining 45 cases of E. coli O157:H7 that were found in New Brunswick, Quebec, Saskatchewan, Ontario and British Columbia. These cases were previously reported from July to September, 2007. As a result of these cases, eleven people were hospitalized and one elderly individual died.



Ongoing testing has determined that most of the cases share a unique pattern of E. coli and the cause of the illnesses has been mostly associated with ground beef. This new E. coli pattern has also been found in the United States, and we are working closely with our counterparts at the United States Department of Agriculture to share information. We greatly appreciate the USDA's input and cooperation in this investigation.



The same unique E. coli pattern that was found in the majority of cases this summer has been found through genetic testing of samples of beef taken from a meat facility in Alberta.



This facility is currently not operating. The company has contacted its primary distributors to return any affected product. All remaining product is under detention. CFIA is actively investigating this and other potential sources to determine if there is a link between this facility and the cases under investigation.



At this time, CFIA is working to ensure that there is no contaminated beef from the facility in Alberta available to consumers. If the investigation reveals that product is still on the market, a public recall will be issued.



Federal officials are also working with their counterparts in other jurisdictions and are taking all the necessary steps to protect the public. The Government remains vigilant and committed to maintaining and improving Canada's food safety system by ensuring national and international industry standards are upheld.



Canadians are reminded that a number of simple steps should be taken when cooking with ground beef to reduce the likelihood of E. coli. Specifically, thoroughly cooking the meat and using safe handling practices can reduce the risk of illness. For more information, please refer to the following fact sheet:



http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/concen/cause/ecolie.shtml.



For more information, consumers can call CFIA at 1-800-442-2342 / TTY 1-800-465-7735 (8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern time, Monday to Friday). To receive information on food recalls or allergy alert notices by e-mail, or for other food safety facts, visit the CFIA web site at www.inspection.gc.ca/recalls.
 
FSIS Provides Update on Topps Meat Company Recall Investigation
source from: USDA
Congressional and Public Affairs
(202) 720-9113
Laura Reiser

WASHINGTON, Oct. 28, 2007 - A joint investigation between the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) has identified a likely source of the multistate outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 infections linked to the Topps Meat Company.
On October 25, the CFIA provided FSIS with PFGE patterns, or DNA fingerprints, from tests of beef trim from a Canadian firm, Ranchers Beef, Ltd., Canadian establishment number 630. This firm provided trim to the Topps Meat Company. While the firm, which had been located in Balzac, Alberta, ceased operations on August 15, 2007, some product remained in storage and was collected and tested by CFIA as part of the joint investigation of the Topps recall and as part of CFIA's own investigation into 45 illnesses in Canada from E. coli O157:H7.
"We appreciate the assistance from our food safety partners in Canada. This piece of information helped us to determine a likely source of contaminated product which led to the September 29 Topps Meat Company expanded recall," stated under secretary for food safety Dr. Richard Raymond. "We have a long history of cooperation and collaboration with CFIA."
Today, PulseNet provided verification to FSIS that this PFGE pattern matched those from patients who were ill and from positive tests conducted by the New York Department of Health on product (both intact packages and open packages from patients' homes) that was later recalled by the Topps Meat Company on September 29. PulseNet is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) searchable database of all PFGE patterns from patients and food products in the United States.
As of October 26, CDC reported 40 illnesses under investigation in 8 states, with 21 known hospitalizations. The latest onset of illness is September 24, 2007. This summer was the first time this rare PFGE pattern had been seen in North America.
As the result of the Topps Meat Company recall investigation, FSIS had delisted Ranchers Beef, Ltd., Canadian establishment number 630, on October 20, 2007. No product from that firm has been eligible to come into the U.S. since that date.
Today, FSIS notified industry to hold all boneless beef manufacturing trim from Ranchers Beef, Ltd., Canadian establishment number 630, or raw products produced in whole or in part from these products until the joint investigation is completed. The Agency has also today issued a Notice (PDF Only) to inspection program personnel in the field to retain these products. Although products subject to recall should be returned to the point of purchase, consumers preparing other ground beef products should always follow the four Be Food Safe steps of Clean, Separate, Cook and Chill. Consumers should only eat ground beef patties that have been cooked to a safe temperature of 160 °F. The only way to be sure a ground beef patty is cooked to a high enough temperature to kill harmful bacteria is to use an accurate food thermometer.
On October 23, FSIS announced new, ongoing and upcoming actions to protect public health against the risk of E. coli O157:H7, including expanded testing, including testing of imported trim at the border. On October 19, FSIS notified countries that export beef to the U.S. of new policies and programs and is working with them to ensure they implement the same or equivalent measures to protect the public from E. coli O157:H7 risks. On October 4, FSIS publicly outlined the timeline of the Topps recall, the preliminary findings from its investigation of the Topps recall, actions already taken by the agency and further steps to reduce E. coli 0157:H7.
Transcript of Tele-News Regarding E. coli 0157: H7 Actions
Washington D.C. - October 23, 2007
Dr. Richard Raymond, Under Secretary for Food Safety
Dr. Daniel Engeljohn, Deputy Assistant Administrator, Office of Policy, Program and Employee Development, Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS)
Dr. David Goldman, FSIS Assistant Administrator, Office of Public Health Science
Dr. Kenneth Petersen, FSIS Assistant Administrator, Office of Field Operations
UNDER SECRETARY RAYMOND: Good morning or good afternoon, depending on what time zone you are in. I appreciate the opportunity today to explain new actions we have taken at USDA to protect public health from the risk of E. coli O157:H7.
Since January there have been 15 recalls related to E. coli in beef this year, eight of those have been associated with human illnesses. In comparison, in 2006 there were only eight related recalls and none of those were related to human illnesses and in 2005 there were only five E. coli related recalls. So obviously something has changed.
We want to remind you that compared to 10 years ago, remember, the safety of the food supply is better than it has ever been. The number of recalls and the number of illnesses has declined in the last several years but as a result of what we are seeing this year we are going through a very comprehensive review of our entire inspection and recall procedures at this time and taking lessons learned from a number of recalls including the recent Topps recall. We have emphasized the need for us to do even more to strengthen our polices and programs. more information.
 
Ranchers Beef investigation leads to B.C. recall
FBC staff 10/29/2007 5:51:00 PM


The Canadian Food Inspection Agency's E. coli investigation of shuttered beef packing co-op Ranchers Beef Ltd. has so far led it to British Columbia, where it's ordered a recall of six different package types of burgers and chuck.

The recalled products listed by CFIA include boneless chuck steak and ground beef sold at Shoppers Wholesale and Mr. G stores in Prince George in June and July, and four different package types of lean and regular ground beef sold at Buy-Low Foods in Lillooet, west of Kamloops, in mid-August. Click here for CFIA's list of specific products and dates.

CFIA announced the recall Saturday. The agency said Friday it was investigating a group of 45 cases of E. coli-related illness this summer in five provinces, including B.C. It said genetic testing of the bacteria was found to have a unique pattern in most of the cases, matching beef samples taken from a "meat facility in Alberta… currently not operating." The illnesses reported included 11 hospitalizations and one death.

Ranchers Beef was opened in 2004 in Balzac, near Calgary, by a farmers' co-op in a bid to build up domestic, federally-inspected beef slaughter capacity, after the BSE crisis shut the door on exports of Canadian beef to the U.S. and other countries. The company shut its doors and put its plant up for sale in mid-August this year.

CFIA said Saturday that the B.C. recalls were "a result of (its) investigation and traceback conducted on contaminated beef involving Ranchers Beef Ltd." It added that there have been no reported illnesses linked with the products now being recalled in B.C.

The recall also comes the day after the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) implicated product from Ranchers Beef in one of the biggest beef recalls in U.S. history.

Relying on DNA "fingerprinting" data provided by CFIA, FSIS said it had found the "likely source" of the E. coli 0157:H7 contamination now suspected to have caused illness in up to 40 people in eight states.

That ground beef recall, announced in September, led to the closure Oct. 5 of New Jersey's Topps Meat Co., then billed as the largest hamburger maker in the country.

FSIS said Friday that Topps had sourced trim from Ranchers Beef for grinding, and that DNA fingerprinting linked the Ranchers Beef product to samples taken from the U.S. patients and from opened beef packages found in their homes.
 
It sure is fun to watch the US insinuation machine in in full denial mode. It sure shows why the US producer wants MCOOL co-labeling, so problems can be blamed on imported meat.
For give me but DNA is a positive or negative match thing. Either the bacteria and meat did come from RB or it didn't. Saying the bacteria likely came from RB based on DNA is is flat out weak. And saying the e.coli was found in the patients was found in their contaminated beef isn't exactly rocket science. But saying the beef may have been contaminated at a closed plant sure is a conveinent. And the real funny thing nobody in canda that ate RB produce became sick. Oh yes it must have come from that plant that closed down and won't be able or try to defend themselves or sue anybody. Like i have said it just doesn't add up un less you are an american company looking to blame someone for you problems. Oh well canadian will take the hit roll their eyes and say OK.
 
QUESTION said:
But saying the beef may have been contaminated at a closed plant sure is a conveinent. And the real funny thing nobody in canda that ate RB produce became sick. Oh yes it must have come from that plant that closed down and won't be able or try to defend themselves or sue anybody. Like i have said it just doesn't add up un less you are an american company looking to blame someone for you problems. Oh well canadian will take the hit roll their eyes and say OK.

Apparently Oh Questionable one-- you again did not do any reading, so your credibility is again shot in the butt... :wink: :lol: :lol:

Last I knew New Brunswick, Quebec, Saskatchewan, Ontario and British Columbia were in Canada-- and being hospitalized or dying is fairly serious being sick
:roll: :roll: :wink: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Investigation into E. coli cases in Canada
OTTAWA, October 26, 2007 – The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) and the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) are currently investigating possible linkages between E. coli cases that occurred earlier this summer in Canada.

The investigation is examining 45 cases of E. coli O157:H7 that were found in New Brunswick, Quebec, Saskatchewan, Ontario and British Columbia. These cases were previously reported from July to September, 2007. As a result of these cases, eleven people were hospitalized and one elderly individual died.

Ongoing testing has determined that most of the cases share a unique pattern of E. coli and the cause of the illnesses has been mostly associated with ground beef. This new E. coli pattern has also been found in the United States, and we are working closely with our counterparts at the United States Department of Agriculture to share information. We greatly appreciate the USDA's input and cooperation in this investigation.

The same unique E. coli pattern that was found in the majority of cases this summer has been found through genetic testing of samples of beef taken from a meat facility in Alberta. This facility is currently not operating. The company has contacted its primary distributors to return any affected product. All remaining product is under detention. CFIA is actively investigating this and other potential sources to determine if there is a link between this facility and the cases under investigation.
 
QUESTION said:
It sure is fun to watch the US insinuation machine in in full denial mode. It sure shows why the US producer wants MCOOL co-labeling, so problems can be blamed on imported meat.
For give me but DNA is a positive or negative match thing. Either the bacteria and meat did come from RB or it didn't. Saying the bacteria likely came from RB based on DNA is is flat out weak. And saying the e.coli was found in the patients was found in their contaminated beef isn't exactly rocket science. But saying the beef may have been contaminated at a closed plant sure is a conveinent. And the real funny thing nobody in canda that ate RB produce became sick. Oh yes it must have come from that plant that closed down and won't be able or try to defend themselves or sue anybody. Like i have said it just doesn't add up un less you are an american company looking to blame someone for you problems. Oh well canadian will take the hit roll their eyes and say OK.


Question, it's not only the American companies that are looking to blame this problem on someone else. Not all but some, of the producers that post on this site, want to also blame Canadian producers for their problems in the cattle industry.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 

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