Randy, as much as I repect you as an innovator in the Canadian cattle industry and all the work you've done trying to help the Canadian cattlemen through your work with BIG C, I'm going to have to step in on the other side of this argument. Price in Canada is still set by supply and demand. Before BSE we had a pipeline of cattle heading to the US. This pipeline was expanded significantly since the early eighties when free trade came into existence. The Americans built all these shiny new , efficient plants just across the border and that competitive edge combined with the greedy unions in Canada essentially put our slaughter industry out of business. So the analogy I'll use is imagine that pipeline and it's getting bigger and bigger as more cattle head to the States and suddenly somebody turns of the valve. You get a few little leaks where we can get rid of some of that flow like Cargill and Tyson and a few other plants but for the most part, everything is stuck in the pipeline and we are still pumping from the other end and pumping more into that pipeline so what we have is a continuous build up of time sensitive product that is not available because we don't have enough leaks (plants) to get rid of what is flowing in. The leaks (plants) are very selective about what they take out of the pipeline and so the dregs (second cut) is heavily discounted and will get left in the pipe if it is not. Its still all based on supply and demand. Big business' main goal is and always will be 'to maximize profit' and to that end, they will do what it takes to achieve that. I'll agree with you that its not an efficient market right now but I'm pretty sure that if there was 100 small plants rather than a couple of big ones, if the total processing capacity was the same, pricing would be about the same.