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NCBA is busy reassuring consumers that our beef is safe due to the precautionary measures that have been taken and reassuring consumers that no meat from this animal entered the food chain.


In contrast R-CALF is busy "BWAMING USDA", promoting flawed "M"COOL, and contradicting their previous arguments about the US having the safest beef in the world by suggesting USDA hasn't gone far enough to assure safety.

How completely pathetic!


That's great R-CALF!

Now the U.S. has a documented case of BSE in their native herd (according to Agman), and R-CALF has a briefing in court saying that the precautionary measures we have in place do not assure food safety just so you could keep the Canadian border closed to live cattle.

GOSH, I BET JAPAN CAN'T READ HUH?????????????????????

Which national organization had the vision to realize the potential consequences of recklessness BSE "fear mongering" to stop Canadian live cattle imports and which national organization felt the "end (stopping Canadian live cattle imports) justified the means (lying about the safety of Canadian beef)????

How completely pathetic that so many producers would be duped into supporting such a lying, deceptive outfit such as R-CALF.

If consumer confidence in beef is not hurt over this, it will be because NCBA and USDA were able to offset the potential impact of R-CALF's BSE "fearmongering" lies.

Leo still insists that Canada is processing downer cows which is a bold faced lie.

No wonder Leo has considered jumping ship.



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If R-CALF is consistant, WHICH THEY ARE NOT, Japan should ban our imports for 7 years right?

WHAT SAY YOU NOW R-CALF????????????????????????


A seven year ban is the presidence R-CALF wanted to establish for Canada totally disregarding all BSE precautionary measures that have been taken.

Are some of you finally starting to understand how potentially damaging R-CALF's "live for the moment and to hell with the consequences" BSE fear mongering really is??????

When are some of you going to wake up to who really has the U.S. cattlemen's best interest at heart and who can't see past the word "import"?

Can't call it a Canadian problem anymore can you?????



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Big Muddy rancher said:
I doubt you get a response from the R-CALFers as they have not yet been told what to say about a self imposed 7 year ban on exports.

If the mighty "Penn" of the USDA keeps negotiating and insulting the Japs the way he has been there might be a "70" year ban to Japan.
 

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Could be right Mike, but I don't think we've hurt our relationship with the Japanese yet, with an over zealous negotiator. Let's hope Government doesn't do anything stupid!
 

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Looks like many will get what they want.

Johanns will get lower beef prices in grocery stores.

Canadian border will open since both sides of border have a case of BSE.

Prices paid to American producers will fall in line with those paid to Canadian producers. Everyone can go broke together.
 
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Chief: "Johanns will get lower beef prices in grocery stores".

Yet another statement from chief based on complete ignorance.

Does Johanns have a gun to the consumers head forcing them to buy beef as opposed to poultry and pork?

You forget, poultry and pork is our real competition, not Canadian live cattle imports?

The statement "beef prices are too high" is from a consumer's perspective, not a producer's perspective. Relative to the lower price of poultry and pork and considering higher fuel prices, higher beef prices cannot be sustained at current levels. Neither pork and poultry prices and reduced discretionary consumer spending has a damn thing to do with Canadian imports.

If Canadian imports were the driving factor behind current cattle prices, explain why live cattle prices continued to rally after Canadian boxed beef imports resumed?? THAT'S ALMOST HALF OF NORMAL CANADIAN IMPORTS.

You can't explain it! Because that fact doesn't fit your import blaming bias.


Chief: "Canadian border will open since both sides of border have a case of BSE".

Why should your isolationist position change now?

To be consistant, you should be telling Japan to ban our imports for 7 years.

You're not trying to suggest that R-CALF's rules only applied to Canada are you?

Looks like R-CALF will get what they didn't expect since they can't see the trade picture beyond the back of a Canadian potload of cattle.


Chief: "Prices paid to American producers will fall in line with those paid to Canadian producers. Everyone can go broke together."

You were hoping the Canadian producer would never expand their export market to Japan?

I thought packer concentration and captive supply was the reason for lower cattle prices. Now your suggesting it's imports? What's your next story going to be?

If you want to conduct a little research project, why don't you take Canadian live cattle imports on a carcass equivelant basis, and compare that to 30 pounds of extra carcass weight on U.S. production and compare the affect that each has on U.S. cattle prices.

But wait, I thought Mike Callicrate was telling us that live cattle prices are completely arbitrary. That live cattle prices had nothing to do with supply and demand. Why didn't Bullard correct Mike when Mike said "live cattle prices have nothing to do with supply and demand" if you folks think Canadian live cattle imports was the downward force in our cattle prices? Now you are telling me it was Canadian imports which is added supply?

What's your story going to be tomorrow?

R-CALF's lies are finally catching up to them.



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Chief: "Johanns will get lower beef prices in grocery stores".

Yet another statement from chief based on complete ignorance.

Does Johanns have a gun to the consumers head forcing them to buy beef as opposed to poultry and pork?

You forget, poultry and pork is our real competition, not Canadian live cattle imports?

The statement "beef prices are too high" is from a consumer's perspective, not a producer's perspective. Relative to the lower price of poultry and pork and considering higher fuel prices, higher beef prices cannot be sustained at current levels. Neither pork and poultry prices and reduced discretionary consumer spending has a damn thing to do with Canadian imports.

If Canadian imports were the driving factor behind current cattle prices, explain why live cattle prices continued to rally after Canadian boxed beef imports resumed?? THAT'S ALMOST HALF OF NORMAL CANADIAN IMPORTS.

You can't explain it! Because that fact doesn't fit your import blaming bias.


Chief: "Canadian border will open since both sides of border have a case of BSE".

Why should your isolationist position change now?

To be consistant, you should be telling Japan to ban our imports for 7 years.

You're not trying to suggest that R-CALF's rules only applied to Canada are you?

Looks like R-CALF will get what they didn't expect since they can't see the trade picture beyond the back of a Canadian potload of cattle.


Chief: "Prices paid to American producers will fall in line with those paid to Canadian producers. Everyone can go broke together."

You were hoping the Canadian producer would never expand their export market to Japan?

I thought packer concentration and captive supply was the reason for lower cattle prices. Now your suggesting it's imports? What's your next story going to be?

If you want to conduct a little research project, why don't you take Canadian live cattle imports on a carcass equivelant basis, and compare that to 30 pounds of extra carcass weight on U.S. production and compare the affect that each has on U.S. cattle prices.

But wait, I thought Mike Callicrate was telling us that live cattle prices are completely arbitrary. That live cattle prices had nothing to do with supply and demand. Why didn't Bullard correct Mike when Mike said "live cattle prices have nothing to do with supply and demand" if you folks think Canadian live cattle imports was the downward force in our cattle prices? Now you are telling me it was Canadian imports which is added supply?

What's your story going to be tomorrow?

R-CALF's lies are finally catching up to them.



~SH~

SH:Yet another statement from chief based on complete ignorance.

Are you always so cheerful every day. "How to influence friends" by SH.
A new best seller and perhaps the smallest book ever.

Johanns will get lower beef prices because this will inevitably lower the prices packers are going to pay producers because the packers will "assume" that demand will drop due to BSE. What is flawed in that logic. History will back this up.

Canadian border will open now because the USDA and government will say "since Canada and US both have BSE, there's no need to continue closing the border." This is what Johanns and the AMI have wanted all along and it will happen. And who said my position changed. I am simply pointing out what WILL happen, not what I believe SHOULD happen. You really need to quit over-analyzing everything people say, Scott.

SH: I thought packer concentration and captive supply was the reason for lower cattle prices. Now your suggesting it's imports? What's your next story going to be?

Packer CONTROL includes concentration, captive supply AND importing cheaper foreign beef (Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Australia) and driving producer prices down. Remember the goverment philosophy of "Cheap food." Well, that is part of that scenario. Sorry you didn't know that, Scott. Sure glad I can inform you of something today.
 
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Chief: "Johanns will get lower beef prices because this will inevitably lower the prices packers are going to pay producers because the packers will "assume" that demand will drop due to BSE. What is flawed in that logic. History will back this up."

What do lower cattle prices have to do with Johanns?

Did Johanns suggest he wanted lower cattle prices or did you R-CALFers take his statement regarding high beef prices, relative to pork and poultry, out of context? I think we both know the answer to that.

Packer prices on live cattle had lowered prior to this recent announcement due to lower boxed beef prices. Check out the facts, you might actually learn something.


Chief: "Canadian border will open now because the USDA and government will say "since Canada and US both have BSE, there's no need to continue closing the border." This is what Johanns and the AMI have wanted all along and it will happen."

Based on the BSE precautionary measures that have been taken by Canada, the border should have never been closed this long. We already had a case of BSE within our borders or did you forget that in your haste to blame Canada? We have taken the necessary BSE precautionary measures of relevance and those measures have been working. That is the only reason the border should open and the same reason our export markets should be opened.

Why do you suppose Canadian consumer confidence in the safety of Canadian beef did not waver after their BSE cases were discovered?

It's because increased BSE surveilance, the ruminant feed ban, banning the processing of downer cows, and SRM removal assures the safety of Canadian beef as it does U.S. beef.

Banning imports only sets a presidence for how our export markets will treat us. EXPORTS, THE FORGOTTEN HALF OF TRADE.

The only reason consumers would shy away from our beef is if they were following R-CALF's BSE "fear mongering" lies about the safety of Canadian beef to stop Canadian live cattle imports.

USDA and NCBA were both smart enough to realize that we couldn't treat Canada differently than we expected Japan and Korea to treat us. It was the R-CALF deceivers that were trying to draw distinctions between the safety of our beef and Canada's to stop Canadian live cattle imports THAT WERE COMING DOWN IN BOXES.

R-CALF, in their haste to blame Canada and stop Canadian live cattle imports (5% of our U.S. beef consumption), was willing to risk the integrity of 80% of our U.S. beef consumption (domestic production) with their BSE fear mongering. That action speaks to the depth of R-CALF's deceptive ways and the recklessness of their "live for the moment and to hell with the consequences" approach to this issue.

Do you want Japan to ban our imports for 7 years?

Answer the question!


Chief: "Packer CONTROL includes concentration, captive supply AND importing cheaper foreign beef (Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Australia) and driving producer prices down."

If packers control live cattle prices, why do live cattle prices move at all? Do packers have periods of generousity? Why do live cattle prices track with boxed beef prices if live cattle prices can be controlled?

You can't explain that with your captive supply/packer concentration conspiracy theories can you?

Prior to BSE in the U.S., we exported more dollars worth of beef and beef by products to Mexico than we imported so how can trade with Mexico be driving down prices? Australian lean trimmings add value to our surplus worthless 50/50 trim making Australian imports price positive to U.S. producers. How can Australian imports be driving down prices?

You don't know what you are talking about, that's the problem!

The alternative to imported lean trimmings would be to go back to grinding up the chuck and round products we have added value to. Do you really want to devalue the chuck and round?

You probably didn't read these facts on beef and beef by product trade in your R-CALF manual on "how to blame your way to prosperity", did you?

Pretty hard to blame "captive supplies" when producers are willing participants by selling their feeder calves to packers and entering into forward contracts with their fat cattle.

The biggest threat to this industry today is the industry blamers that would like to see the only form of cattle marketing become "AND HOW MUCH YA GONNA GIVE FOR 'EM" so they can cut out a larger piece of the pie for themselves.

Sure glad I can inform you of something today.



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The Buschschsch Whacker couldn't get the border open in March so he had to create a new scheme-Let's just keep testing the same animal until we do something wrong. Johanns says beef is too high. What a couple of mouthpieces. Whose side are these guys on?!?!?!?! Obviously not the American Rancher, who produces the best and safest beef in the World. Oh, and by the way, has anyone mentioned gas prices as being too high that consumers might not take this summers vacation. George W and Paul Harvey, one in the same, both will sell out to the highest bidder.
 

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If beef supplies don't increase and drive down prices, "American consumers will start choosing other sources of protein," he said. "The price of beef is getting very, very high per household."


"Our whole goal is to normalize the beef trade worldwide
," he said.



Sounds to me like he says beef prices are too high! Isn't it a shame that consumers should have to MAKE A CHOICE. Let's bring in cheaper foreign beef to LOWER both the producer and retail prices. Then we will continue to fulfill America's #1 goal: CHEAP FOOD FOR EVERYONE.

It's too bad that with cheap food and the producers share of the retail dollar shrinking every year, that producers will feel the pinch the most.

Glad I could TRY to teach you something. :!:
 
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mls: "The Buschschsch Whacker couldn't get the border open in March so he had to create a new scheme-Let's just keep testing the same animal until we do something wrong."

That doesn't even make sense!

Why would an additional case of BSE in the U.S. speed the opening of the Canadian border?

Good grief!


mls: "Johanns says beef is too high. What a couple of mouthpieces."

From a consumer perspective, beef prices were too high relative to the price of pork and poultry. That's just a fact! If that was not true, boxed beef prices would not have declined.

You didn't actually think consumers shared the same perspective as producers did you?



chief: "Sounds to me like he says beef prices are too high!"

From the consumer's perspective, Beef prices were too high!


chief: "Isn't it a shame that consumers should have to MAKE A CHOICE."

The reality is they do have a choice. BEEF, POULTRY, PORK, FISH, or a veggie diet.

You didn't know that?


chief: "Let's bring in cheaper foreign beef to LOWER both the producer and retail prices."

Drop the import blame for a minute and listen very carefully ..........

AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND CHEAP LEAN BEEF TRIMMINGS ADD VALUE TO OUR SURPLUS 50/50 TRIM.

Repeat that over and over until you understand it.

If you knew anything about the retail beef business you'd understand that. You will never get the facts on trade by listening to industry blaming organizations like R-CULT/LMA/CCMP etc. etc.

AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND LEAN TRIMMINGS ARE PRICE POSITIVE FOR U.S. PRODUCERS DUE TO THE VALUE THEY ADD TO OUR SURPLUS 50/50 TRIM!!!!!

R-CULT won't tell you the truth about this because it doesn't fit their import blaming mindset.

What do you think U.S. processors should do with all the 50/50 trim from all those Y3 overfat carcasses?????

How many consumers do you know that want to eat a hamburger that is 50% fat??????

Quit blaming for once and start learning about your industry.....sheeeesh!


LEAN BEEF TRIMMINGS FROM AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND DO NOT LOWER PRODUCER AND RETAIL PRICES

You are flat wrong about that!

Prior to BSE we exported more dollars of beef and beef by products from Mexico than we imported. When you import blamers were trying to save the world with your dumping case against Canada, Mexico was filing one against the U.S.


chief: "It's too bad that with cheap food and the producers share of the retail dollar shrinking every year, that producers will feel the pinch the most."

Yes it is but blaming imports will not change the fact that the consumer outvotes the producer 98% to 2%. Maybe you should sue the consumer!


Chief: "Glad I could TRY to teach you something."

Doesn't look like it in this case does it?

You really need to gain a better understanding of these issues if you want to talk intelligently about them.

If you want an example of an intelligent dialogue, look at PPRM's question and Agman's answer.

If Agman is wrong, why can't any of you prove him wrong? That's easy, because your opinions are not based on facts, they are based on a need to blame.


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I MUST FOLLOW THE LEADERSHIP OF NCBA BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL. WHO CARES THAT PRODUCER SHARE OF THE CONSUMER DOLLAR IS SHRINKING FASTER THAN ITS LOYAL FOLLOWERS, WE MUST FOLLOW UNTIL BANKRUPT OR DEATH. LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY LEADERS OF NCBA WHO ALSO HAPPEN TO OWN PACKING PLANTS.


THAT IS ALL. :wink:
 
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Chief: "I MUST FOLLOW THE LEADERSHIP OF NCBA BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL. WHO CARES THAT PRODUCER SHARE OF THE CONSUMER DOLLAR IS SHRINKING FASTER THAN ITS LOYAL FOLLOWERS, WE MUST FOLLOW UNTIL BANKRUPT OR DEATH. LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY LEADERS OF NCBA WHO ALSO HAPPEN TO OWN PACKING PLANTS."

As always, when the "factually defenseless" R-CULT supporters cannot back their position with opposing facts, they make statements.

From the Gospel according to Bullard!


When reciting USDA's retail to fat cattle price spread data, why don't you also recite their data on how these prices have kept up with inflation????

Are wages the same?

Are power costs the same?

Are transportation costs the same?


"BWAME DA PACKAH"


Highest prices ever recorded and still bitching! Poor you!


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Farmer’s Share of Retail Food Dollar
Producer’s share derived from USDA, NASS “Agricultural Prices,” May 2005
Retail prices based on store brand except where noted at metropolitan Washington, D.C., supermarket.
Fresh Carrots
2 pounds
Retail: 99¢
Farmer: 42¢
Lettuce
1 head (2 pounds)
Retail: 99¢
Farmer: 47¢
National Farmers Union
Headquarters, Aurora, Colo. • 303-337-5500
Government Relations, Washington, D.C. • 202-554-1600
www.nfu.org • [email protected]
Wheat Flour Loaf of Bread Cheerios®
5 pounds 1 pound 15 ounce box
Retail: $1.29 Retail: $2.59 Retail: $4.19
Farmer : 31¢ Farmer: 7¢ Farmer: 5¢
Cereal
Milk - 1 gallon (Lucerne)
Retail: $3.79
Farmer: $1.25
Eggs
Boneless Ham
price per pounds
Retail: $4.49
Farmer: 51¢
Eggs (Lucerne)
1 dozen
Retail: $1.19
Farmer: 26¢
Bacon
1 pound
Retail: $3.99
Farmer: 51¢
Fresh Potatoes
1 pound
Retail: 2.99¢
Farmer: 70¢
Beef — Tri-Tip Steak
1 pound
Retail: $7.29
Farmer: 92¢
Cheddar Cheese (Lucerne)
1 pound
Retail: $4.79
Farmer: $1.48
Potato Chips
12.25 ounce package
Retail: $1.99
Farmer: 7¢
 

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the chief said:
Farmer’s Share of Retail Food Dollar
Producer’s share derived from USDA, NASS “Agricultural Prices,” May 2005
Retail prices based on store brand except where noted at metropolitan Washington, D.C., supermarket.
Fresh Carrots
2 pounds
Retail: 99¢
Farmer: 42¢
Lettuce
1 head (2 pounds)
Retail: 99¢
Farmer: 47¢
National Farmers Union
Headquarters, Aurora, Colo. • 303-337-5500
Government Relations, Washington, D.C. • 202-554-1600
www.nfu.org • [email protected]
Wheat Flour Loaf of Bread Cheerios®
5 pounds 1 pound 15 ounce box
Retail: $1.29 Retail: $2.59 Retail: $4.19
Farmer : 31¢ Farmer: 7¢ Farmer: 5¢
Cereal
Milk - 1 gallon (Lucerne)
Retail: $3.79
Farmer: $1.25
Eggs
Boneless Ham
price per pounds
Retail: $4.49
Farmer: 51¢
Eggs (Lucerne)
1 dozen
Retail: $1.19
Farmer: 26¢
Bacon
1 pound
Retail: $3.99
Farmer: 51¢
Fresh Potatoes
1 pound
Retail: 2.99¢
Farmer: 70¢
Beef — Tri-Tip Steak
1 pound
Retail: $7.29
Farmer: 92¢
Cheddar Cheese (Lucerne)
1 pound
Retail: $4.79
Farmer: $1.48
Potato Chips
12.25 ounce package
Retail: $1.99
Farmer: 7¢

What's your point?

All commodities have value added to get to retail. Vegetables need to be sorted and washed, beef needs to be butchered, cut, trimmed, and packaged. The producers gets varing levels of the retail dollar based on retail price less costs to get it there.

This proves the fact that all money returning to producers comes from consumers.
 

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the chief said:
I MUST FOLLOW THE LEADERSHIP OF NCBA BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL. WHO CARES THAT PRODUCER SHARE OF THE CONSUMER DOLLAR IS SHRINKING FASTER THAN ITS LOYAL FOLLOWERS, WE MUST FOLLOW UNTIL BANKRUPT OR DEATH. LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY LEADERS OF NCBA WHO ALSO HAPPEN TO OWN PACKING PLANTS.


THAT IS ALL. :wink:

Self appointed "chief", your use of the farm-to-retail price spread referred to as the producer's share of the consumer dollars is an absolute indication of your total ignorance of the marketing structure. You might be the only one on the planet who does not know the short comings of that data as explained numerous times of this forum and buy the USDA.

Your use of such misleading data raises serious questions regarding your integrity and intent. What that data does NOT tell you is much more important than what you think the data tells you.
 

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