TRADE AGREEMENTS ?

[HAY MAKER]

What has these so called trade agreements done for the cattle man,except bring lower prices due to cheap imports,and the power to manipulate markets with captive supplies by the packing industry.
BSE was introduced into the country "via" NAFTA it certainly has'nt helped the cattle man,as it diminished demand and lost markets.
The real purpose of trade agreements is to allow multinational corporations to exploit the abundance of cheap labor,cattle, and the scarcity of taxes and safety regulations,it does little or nothing for the Cattle man................good luck

 

[Bill]

I know its always difficult for you to see the pictutre and tell the whole story Haymaker but before you get too carried maybe you ought to change your poll to include the other aspects of TRADE agreements such as you have with Canada.

#1 would be A RELATIVELY CHEAP AND CONSTANT SUPPLY OF OUR ENERGY for agriculture as well as consumers who drive the economy! Canada is the largest supplier of your energy. I am sure without the access you have to Canada your entire economy would have blown apart by now.

By the way I didn't vote as your polls are usually misleading and therefore of no value.

 

[HAY MAKER]

I know its always difficult for you to see the pictutre and tell the whole story Haymaker but before you get too carried maybe you ought to change your poll to include the other aspects of TRADE agreements such as you have with Canada.

#1 would be A RELATIVELY CHEAP AND CONSTANT SUPPLY OF OUR ENERGY for agriculture as well as consumers who drive the economy! Canada is the largest supplier of your energy. I am sure without the access you have to Canada your entire economy would have blown apart by now.

By the way I didn't vote as your polls are usually misleading and therefore of no value.

It would seem to me ..........you are the one misleading,as canada is not the largest supplier of our energy..............good luck

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

It would seem to me ..........you are the one misleading,as canada is not the largest supplier of our energy..............good luck

Ummm, you'd best check your sources Haymaker. Canada supplies the highest percentage of your crude, which is considered energy. As for raw power, if we're not your #1 supplier, we're not far off.

Rod

 

[cowsense]

Haymaker; Better check your facts; Your BSE risks lie in the fact that your country imported European breeding stock and feed stuffs. Your talk about captive supply does not apply either; Canadian cattle are sold to the highest bidder.....that determines whether they are slaughtered in Canada or move south. You'd also better recheck the stat's on energy suppliers. The US economy would crash and burn without the supply of crude, fuel and natural gas which Canada supplies.

 

[HAY MAKER]

It would seem to me ..........you are the one misleading,as canada is not the largest supplier of our energy..............good luck

Ummm, you'd best check your sources Haymaker. Canada supplies the highest percentage of your crude, which is considered energy. As for raw power, if we're not your #1 supplier, we're not far off.

Rod

That would have to be proven,with facts and figures before I would believe it,I think where some of you are being confused is..............Canada is the friendliest large supplier of energy,not the largest,or written another way...Canada is the largest friendly supplier of energy,again not "the" largest................good luck

 

[RobertMac]

I know its always difficult for you to see the pictutre and tell the whole story Haymaker but before you get too carried maybe you ought to change your poll to include the other aspects of TRADE agreements such as you have with Canada.

#1 would be A RELATIVELY CHEAP AND CONSTANT SUPPLY OF OUR ENERGY for agriculture as well as consumers who drive the economy! Canada is the largest supplier of your energy. I am sure without the access you have to Canada your entire economy would have blown apart by now.

By the way I didn't vote as your polls are usually misleading and therefore of no value.

Bill, you're right, it is misleading...he should have written, " the USA cattle man". Some of you Canadians claim to be "Americans"! :shock: :wink: :wink:

Energy and other trade issues aside, it hasn't been all roses for the USA cattleman for the reason we discussed in another thread...increasing supplies in a declining market. It's been good for you Canadians...giving you better access to the USA market and for packers...increased supply to pressure USA live cattle prices and the Mexican market for adding value to certain cuts.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

I know its always difficult for you to see the pictutre and tell the whole story Haymaker but before you get too carried maybe you ought to change your poll to include the other aspects of TRADE agreements such as you have with Canada.

#1 would be A RELATIVELY CHEAP AND CONSTANT SUPPLY OF OUR ENERGY for agriculture as well as consumers who drive the economy! Canada is the largest supplier of your energy. I am sure without the access you have to Canada your entire economy would have blown apart by now.

By the way I didn't vote as your polls are usually misleading and therefore of no value.

Bill, you're right, it is misleading...he should have written, " the USA cattle man". Some of you Canadians claim to be "Americans"! :shock: :wink: :wink:

Energy and other trade issues aside, it hasn't been all roses for the USA cattleman for the reason we discussed in another thread...increasing supplies in a declining market. It's been good for you Canadians...giving you better access to the USA market and for packers...increased supply to pressure USA live cattle prices and the Mexican market for adding value to certain cuts.

RobertMac cattle travel both ways across that border. Our numbers are a small protion of the US kill that seem to be give huge powers by some US cattle producers.
I also remember Pre NAFTA about 1973 the Canadian fat market was high then the US and the trucks rolled north are broke our market. Remember historicaly the US kills more in a day then we killed in a week.

 

[HAY MAKER]

Haymaker; Better check your facts; Your BSE risks lie in the fact that your country imported European breeding stock and feed stuffs. Your talk about captive supply does not apply either; Canadian cattle are sold to the highest bidder.....that determines whether they are slaughtered in Canada or move south. You'd also better recheck the stat's on energy suppliers. The US economy would crash and burn without the supply of crude, fuel and natural gas which Canada supplies.

I have checked my facts...........and have determined the very worst case scenario that BSE has created in the UNITED STATES, was caused by a Canadian import,maybe you have heard of her ?............The Washington cow,ruined the cattle and beef industry,damned wonder we did'nt all go broke...................good luck

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Haymaker; Better check your facts; Your BSE risks lie in the fact that your country imported European breeding stock and feed stuffs. Your talk about captive supply does not apply either; Canadian cattle are sold to the highest bidder.....that determines whether they are slaughtered in Canada or move south. You'd also better recheck the stat's on energy suppliers. The US economy would crash and burn without the supply of crude, fuel and natural gas which Canada supplies.

I have checked my facts...........and have determined the very worst case senario that BSE has created in the UNITED STATES, was caused by a Canadian import,maybe you have heard of her ?............The Washington cow,ruined the cattle and beef industry,damned wonder we did'nt all go broke...................good luck

Anybody remember that song "Billy's got his Beer googles on"? We know who's wearing now don't we. :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Haymaker; Better check your facts; Your BSE risks lie in the fact that your country imported European breeding stock and feed stuffs. Your talk about captive supply does not apply either; Canadian cattle are sold to the highest bidder.....that determines whether they are slaughtered in Canada or move south. You'd also better recheck the stat's on energy suppliers. The US economy would crash and burn without the supply of crude, fuel and natural gas which Canada supplies.

I have checked my facts...........and have determined the very worst case senario that BSE has created in the UNITED STATES, was caused by a Canadian import,maybe you have heard of her ?............The Washington cow,ruined the cattle and beef industry,damned wonder we did'nt all go broke...................good luck

Anybody remember that song "Billy's got his Beer googles on"? We know who's wearing now don't we. :wink:

Yep- Probably hard for you to see anything clearly when Canada hasn't even recognized yet it has a BSE problem and is still under quarantine for having higher risk....But I suppose Socialist schools don't teach statistics- and risk factors.....

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

I have checked my facts...........and have determined the very worst case senario that BSE has created in the UNITED STATES, was caused by a Canadian import,maybe you have heard of her ?............The Washington cow,ruined the cattle and beef industry,damned wonder we did'nt all go broke...................good luck

Anybody remember that song "Billy's got his Beer goggles on"? We know who's wearing now don't we. :wink:

Yep- Probably hard for you to see anything clearly when Canada hasn't even recognized yet it has a BSE problem and is still under quarantine for having higher risk....But I suppose Socialist schools don't teach statistics- and risk factors.....

OT you have no idea how much work goes into the issues of the industry by hard working cattle people that are active in their respective organizations. Then we have the clowns like you that hold court in the bar blowing on how these groups do nothing. Sad thing is your type will never realize how little they contributed to the industry and way of life the they made their living . I know it's not possible for everyone to be real active but if they were informed and supportive it would make the job of those that are active in the organizations job a whole lot easier.l Remember were ranchers to.

 

[Anonymous]

Anybody remember that song "Billy's got his Beer goggles on"? We know who's wearing now don't we. :wink:

Yep- Probably hard for you to see anything clearly when Canada hasn't even recognized yet it has a BSE problem and is still under quarantine for having higher risk....But I suppose Socialist schools don't teach statistics- and risk factors.....

OT you have no idea how much work goes into the issues of the industry by hard working cattle people that are active in their respective organizations. Then we have the clowns like you that hold court in the bar blowing on how these groups do nothing. Sad thing is your type will never realize how little they contributed to the industry and way of life the they made their living . I know it's not possible for everyone to be real active but if they were informed and supportive it would make the job of those that are active in the organizations job a whole lot easier.l Remember were ranchers to.

The informed don't want Canadian cattle endangering the US herd and our chance to regain some foreign markets-----Not yet anyway---- and know that the USDA has not the slightest idea of doing anything by any science beside that of the "science of the Packer Pocketbook"....

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Yep- Probably hard for you to see anything clearly when Canada hasn't even recognized yet it has a BSE problem and is still under quarantine for having higher risk....But I suppose Socialist schools don't teach statistics- and risk factors.....

OT you have no idea how much work goes into the issues of the industry by hard working cattle people that are active in their respective organizations. Then we have the clowns like you that hold court in the bar blowing on how these groups do nothing. Sad thing is your type will never realize how little they contributed to the industry and way of life the they made their living . I know it's not possible for everyone to be real active but if they were informed and supportive it would make the job of those that are active in the organizations job a whole lot easier.l Remember were ranchers to.

The informed don't want Canadian cattle endangering the US herd and our chance to regain some foreign markets-----Not yet anyway---- and know that the USDA has not the slightest idea of doing anything by any science beside that of the "science of the Packer Pocketbook"....

Didn't you mean the Intoxicated don't want Canadian cattle?

 

[Anonymous]

OT you have no idea how much work goes into the issues of the industry by hard working cattle people that are active in their respective organizations. Then we have the clowns like you that hold court in the bar blowing on how these groups do nothing. Sad thing is your type will never realize how little they contributed to the industry and way of life the they made their living . I know it's not possible for everyone to be real active but if they were informed and supportive it would make the job of those that are active in the organizations job a whole lot easier.l Remember were ranchers to.

The informed don't want Canadian cattle endangering the US herd and our chance to regain some foreign markets-----Not yet anyway---- and know that the USDA has not the slightest idea of doing anything by any science beside that of the "science of the Packer Pocketbook"....

Didn't you mean the Intoxicated don't want Canadian cattle?

You apparently didn't read the checkoff survey.....Or again see only what you want to see :roll: :lol: :lol:

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

That would have to be proven,with facts and figures before I would believe it,I think where some of you are being confused is..............Canada is the friendliest large supplier of energy,not the largest,or written another way...Canada is the largest friendly supplier of energy,again not "the" largest................good luck

Here ya go Haymaker, straight from your own government:

This is 2004:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm

This is 2006:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Haymaker, you and OT act like brothers. You bring nothing but raw, unsubstantiated patriotism to the table without any care or concern about facts.

As far as your comment about the Washington cow, what do you think would have happened to your border when your NATIVE case was found? Do you think that your borders wouldn't have been slammed shut? Or would your NATIVE case not have worried anyone? :roll:

Rod

 

[SR]

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Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries
November 2006 Import Highlights: Released on January 16, 2007
Preliminary monthly data on the origins of crude oil imports in November 2006 has been released and it shows that three countries have each exported more than 1.40 million barrels per day to the United States, and one country shows exports of greater than 2.00 million barrels per day. Including those countries, a total of four countries exported over 1.00 million barrels per day of crude oil to the United States (see table below). The top five exporting countries accounted for 70 percent of United States crude oil imports in November while the top ten sources accounted for approximately 89 percent of all U.S. crude oil imports. The top sources of US crude oil imports for November were Canada (2.065 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.462 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1.444 million barrels per day), Venezuela (1.069 million barrels per day), and Nigeria (0.919 million barrels per day). The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Iraq (0.589 million barrels per day), Angola (0.505 million barrels per day), Algeria (0.253 million barrels per day), Kuwait (0.253 million barrels per day), and Ecuador (0.243 million barrels per day). Total crude oil imports averaged 9.836 million barrels per day in November, which is a decrease of 0.296 million barrels per day from October 2006.

Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum products in November, exporting 2.584 million barrels per day to the United States, which was a large increase from last month (2.144 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum products was Mexico once again with 1.571 million barrels per day.

Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Nov-06 Oct-06 YTD 2006 Nov-05 Jan - Nov 2005

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CANADA 2,065 1,704 1,778 1,756 1,609
MEXICO 1,462 1,481 1,606 1,658 1,542
SAUDI ARABIA 1,444 1,322 1,417 1,267 1,445
VENEZUELA 1,069 1,125 1,146 1,009 1,246
NIGERIA 919 1,049 1,046 1,163 1,068
IRAQ 589 505 567 572 540
ANGOLA 505 506 504 658 458
ALGERIA 253 449 352 265 230
KUWAIT 253 234 180 273 223
ECUADOR 243 315 274 264 270
BRAZIL 156 171 134 65 88
UNITED KINGDOM 119 74 131 229 241
CHAD 118 109 93 33 78
NORWAY 81 120 97 103 124
AZERBAIJAN 77 88 23 0 0

Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Nov-06 Oct-06 YTD 2006 Nov-05 Jan - Nov 2005

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CANADA 2,584 2,144 2,291 2,305 2,149
MEXICO 1,571 1,646 1,730 1,777 1,650
SAUDI ARABIA 1,489 1,382 1,459 1,370 1,543
VENEZUELA 1,234 1,354 1,418 1,258 1,529
NIGERIA 972 1,088 1,124 1,248 1,158
IRAQ 589 505 567 572 545
ANGOLA 521 536 526 675 476
ALGERIA 462 813 648 500 485
VIRGIN ISLANDS 327 335 325 303 327
UNITED KINGDOM 275 205 276 504 410
KUWAIT 259 239 185 289 239
ECUADOR 248 322 281 264 277
RUSSIA 223 381 370 217 423
BRAZIL 182 221 195 151 148
NORWAY 165 181 196 232 239

Note: The data in the tables above exclude oil imports into the U.S. territories.


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[HAY MAKER]

Alright time to eat crow,it is a fact canada does provide the most crude,I hate it when you dang canuckle heads prove me wrong ..................good luck

PS I hardly think one oversite on my part,would be reason enough to claim all the information I bring to the boards is raw and unsubstantiated,
you did good before you started lieing..........Keep pumping that crude boys,but leave your cows at home :wink:

 

[HAY MAKER]

Anybody remember that song "Billy's got his Beer goggles on"? We know who's wearing now don't we. :wink:

Yep- Probably hard for you to see anything clearly when Canada hasn't even recognized yet it has a BSE problem and is still under quarantine for having higher risk....But I suppose Socialist schools don't teach statistics- and risk factors.....

OT you have no idea how much work goes into the issues of the industry by hard working cattle people that are active in their respective organizations. Then we have the clowns like you that hold court in the bar blowing on how these groups do nothing. Sad thing is your type will never realize how little they contributed to the industry and way of life the they made their living . I know it's not possible for everyone to be real active but if they were informed and supportive it would make the job of those that are active in the organizations job a whole lot easier.l Remember were ranchers to.

Yes it must take alot of time forming these strategic alliances to create captive supplies LOL..............good luck

 

[HAY MAKER]

That would have to be proven,with facts and figures before I would believe it,I think where some of you are being confused is..............Canada is the friendliest large supplier of energy,not the largest,or written another way...Canada is the largest friendly supplier of energy,again not "the" largest................good luck

Here ya go Haymaker, straight from your own government:

This is 2004:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm

This is 2006:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Haymaker, you and OT act like brothers. You bring nothing but raw, unsubstantiated patriotism to the table without any care or concern about facts.

As far as your comment about the Washington cow, what do you think would have happened to your border when your NATIVE case was found? Do you think that your borders wouldn't have been slammed shut? Or would your NATIVE case not have worried anyone? :roll:

Rod

You canuckle heads just refuse to accept the fact that...........there is a hellva differnce between two cases of pre feed ban BSE,compared to your 4 post ban and numerous others.
I truly believe we could have saved the majority of our export markets,by steadfastly explaining they were in fact pre feed ban and our measures to insure a safe product was working,the fact canada has 4 post feed ban cases leaves no doubt # 1 your safety measures are not working
#2 Noncompliance in regards to your feed ban........Try to get this through you head.canada and the UNITED STATES do not have the same BSE problems,that is why we will be granted a favorable BSE risk profile,and you will not,and the most important reason we cannot continue importing cattle/beef,this will recapture our export market.
After you have demonstrated a willingness to comply with the feed ban,and you meet the OIE requirements for a negilble risk profile,the United states has enacted M COOL and the captive supply reform act,I say open the borders and lets trade ..................good luck