U.S. Falls Behind In Tracking Cattle To Control Disease

[HAY MAKER]

Miss Tam,were you meaning to say "accepting" ? Because if you were,I dont remember saying there are countries accepting beef from the USA and not Canada,we all know that the product is mixed and comingled to the point it is unidentifiable as to orgin.
The point I made was,the UNITED STATES is trying to gain a more favorable BSE profile,this will be impossible if we continue buisness as usual,as some of our export markets have already demanded our product be seperate from Canada's
As a matter of fact Korean inspectors' have rigorous procedures to make sure that U.S. and Canadian cattle are segregated. The United States allows the importation of Canadian cattle, and Korea refuses to accept beef from Canadian cattle.
A Korean Agriculture Ministry official told the Yonhap News Agency last week that U.S. cattle processors should run more than a single slaughter line so U.S. and Canadian cattle and animals under and over 30 months could be separated.....................good luck

PS Miss Tam some day you are going to have to wean yourself off that good ole AMERICAN teat.
Like elmo said once............It's hard ta run with tha big dogs when you are chained to the front porch :wink:

 

[Tam]

Miss Tam,were you meaning to say "accepting" ? Because if you were,I dont remember saying there are countries accepting beef from the USA and not Canada,we all know that the product is mixed and comingled to the point it is unidentifiable as to orgin.
The point I made was,the UNITED STATES is trying to gain a more favorable BSE profile,this will be impossible if we continue buisness as usual,as some of our export markets have already demanded our product be seperate from Canada's
As a matter of fact Korean inspectors' have rigorous procedures to make sure that U.S. and Canadian cattle are segregated. The United States allows the importation of Canadian cattle, and Korea refuses to accept beef from Canadian cattle.
A Korean Agriculture Ministry official told the Yonhap News Agency last week that U.S. cattle processors should run more than a single slaughter line so U.S. and Canadian cattle and animals under and over 30 months could be separated.....................good luck

PS Miss Tam some day you are going to have to wean yourself off that good ole AMERICAN teat.
Like elmo said once............It's hard ta run with tha big dogs when you are chained to the front porch :wink:

I dont remember saying there are countries accepting beef from the USA and not Canada

BULL You said you were getting back your export markets due to the fact your two native cattle were pre feed ban then you said our feed ban violation were unacceptable to global trading partners and until we remedied our feed ban problem we would not regain access to global trade So again tell us what major markets take your beef that are not taking beef from Canada ? Or admit in your need to claim superiority again you didn't know what you were talking about. :? Come on provide or admit. your choice.

The point I made was,the UNITED STATES is trying to gain a more favorable BSE profile,this will be impossible if we continue buisness as usual,as some of our export markets have already demanded our product be seperate from Canada's

I agree you can't continue with business as usual, your trading partners expect you to follow negoitated rules and ship only what they agreed to take, not all the little extras your industry puts in the boxes. Tell us Haymaker was your US beef rejected in Japan or Korea because of Canadian beef or because of ban product namely SRMs? :?

PS Miss Tam some day you are going to have to wean yourself off that good ole AMERICAN teat.

let us look at some numbers Haymaker
2003 Pre BSE in the US you exported $3,030,608,000 worth of beef
2004 post BSE no major exports but Canada and Mexico $505,913,000

USDA DATA

Now here is where it gets interesting

2003 imports while you were exporting $2,623,565,000
2004 imports with no major export markets $3,633,646,000
2005 still no major export markets open $3, 657,825,000

Now do you notice something Haymaker? Let me point it out.
notice the over billion dollar difference between 2003 and 2005 and this was just the fresh and frozen BEEF not one beef animal is included.
Your imports are continually climbing even though you HAVE NO MAJOR EXPORT MARKETS!!!!

So my question is If you somehow baffle your exporting markets back into taking US beef to the same level they did in 2003 WHERE WILL THE BEEF COME FROM? :shock: :? Talk about living on the teats of another country's industry. :wink:

Like elmo said once............It's hard ta run with tha big dogs when you are chained to the front porch

At least we are on the front porch Haymaker according to the USDA numbers if it wasn't for Canada and some of your other beef importing countries you would be locked behind the front porch door. :wink:

 

[HAY MAKER]

Miss Tam,were you meaning to say "accepting" ? Because if you were,I dont remember saying there are countries accepting beef from the USA and not Canada,we all know that the product is mixed and comingled to the point it is unidentifiable as to orgin.
The point I made was,the UNITED STATES is trying to gain a more favorable BSE profile,this will be impossible if we continue buisness as usual,as some of our export markets have already demanded our product be seperate from Canada's
As a matter of fact Korean inspectors' have rigorous procedures to make sure that U.S. and Canadian cattle are segregated. The United States allows the importation of Canadian cattle, and Korea refuses to accept beef from Canadian cattle.
A Korean Agriculture Ministry official told the Yonhap News Agency last week that U.S. cattle processors should run more than a single slaughter line so U.S. and Canadian cattle and animals under and over 30 months could be separated.....................good luck

PS Miss Tam some day you are going to have to wean yourself off that good ole AMERICAN teat.
Like elmo said once............It's hard ta run with tha big dogs when you are chained to the front porch :wink:

I dont remember saying there are countries accepting beef from the USA and not Canada

BULL You said you were getting back your export markets due to the fact your two native cattle were pre feed ban then you said our feed ban violation were unacceptable to global trading partners and until we remedied our feed ban problem we would not regain access to global trade So again tell us what major markets take your beef that are not taking beef from Canada ? Or admit in your need to claim superiority again you didn't know what you were talking about. :? Come on provide or admit. your choice.

The point I made was,the UNITED STATES is trying to gain a more favorable BSE profile,this will be impossible if we continue buisness as usual,as some of our export markets have already demanded our product be seperate from Canada's

I agree you can't continue with business as usual, your trading partners expect you to follow negoitated rules and ship only what they agreed to take, not all the little extras your industry puts in the boxes. Tell us Haymaker was your US beef rejected in Japan or Korea because of Canadian beef or because of ban product namely SRMs? :?

PS Miss Tam some day you are going to have to wean yourself off that good ole AMERICAN teat.

let us look at some numbers Haymaker
2003 Pre BSE in the US you exported $3,030,608,000 worth of beef
2004 post BSE no major exports but Canada and Mexico $505,913,000

USDA DATA

Now here is where it gets interesting

2003 imports while you were exporting $2,623,565,000
2004 imports with no major export markets $3,633,646,000
2005 still no major export markets open $3, 657,825,000

Now do you notice something Haymaker? Let me point it out.
notice the over billion dollar difference between 2003 and 2005 and this was just the fresh and frozen BEEF not one beef animal is included.
Your imports are continually climbing even though you HAVE NO MAJOR EXPORT MARKETS!!!!

So my question is If you somehow baffle your exporting markets back into taking US beef to the same level they did in 2003 WHERE WILL THE BEEF COME FROM?

:shock: :? Talk about living on the teats of another country's industry. :wink:

Like elmo said once............It's hard ta run with tha big dogs when you are chained to the front porch

At least we are on the front porch Haymaker according to the USDA numbers if it wasn't for Canada and some of your other beef importing countries you would be locked behind the front porch door. :wink:

It will come from the many Ranchers that you have displaced, with the promoting of canadian captive beef supply,alot of fine ranchers have given up ranching due to market manipulations,without canadian beef,there will be ample market opportunity for these folks to realize a profit,also our next generation will get a fair chance to ranch and expand.
It is a well known fact.........we are losing the battle for the family farm,just aint profitable with the markets being controlled by 4 packers with their canadian captive supplies.............good luck

PS where there is a demand..........we will create a supply :wink:

 

[RodeoFoto]

Why do people always say "good luck" in their rebuttle?

Just wondering, I see this in the horse slaughter thread as well?

Its a personal thing Rodeofoto,please disregard it, and welcome to the boards................good luck

Ok Thanks!

All of this is way over my head, but I am reading alot and learning tons!

I think it is great you all share info and that others can read it!!

Weezy

 

[mwj]

Miss Tam,were you meaning to say "accepting" ? Because if you were,I dont remember saying there are countries accepting beef from the USA and not Canada,we all know that the product is mixed and comingled to the point it is unidentifiable as to orgin.
The point I made was,the UNITED STATES is trying to gain a more favorable BSE profile,this will be impossible if we continue buisness as usual,as some of our export markets have already demanded our product be seperate from Canada's
As a matter of fact Korean inspectors' have rigorous procedures to make sure that U.S. and Canadian cattle are segregated. The United States allows the importation of Canadian cattle, and Korea refuses to accept beef from Canadian cattle.
A Korean Agriculture Ministry official told the Yonhap News Agency last week that U.S. cattle processors should run more than a single slaughter line so U.S. and Canadian cattle and animals under and over 30 months could be separated.....................good luck

PS Miss Tam some day you are going to have to wean yourself off that good ole AMERICAN teat.
Like elmo said once............It's hard ta run with tha big dogs when you are chained to the front porch :wink:

I dont remember saying there are countries accepting beef from the USA and not Canada

BULL You said you were getting back your export markets due to the fact your two native cattle were pre feed ban then you said our feed ban violation were unacceptable to global trading partners and until we remedied our feed ban problem we would not regain access to global trade So again tell us what major markets take your beef that are not taking beef from Canada ? Or admit in your need to claim superiority again you didn't know what you were talking about. :? Come on provide or admit. your choice.

The point I made was,the UNITED STATES is trying to gain a more favorable BSE profile,this will be impossible if we continue buisness as usual,as some of our export markets have already demanded our product be seperate from Canada's

I agree you can't continue with business as usual, your trading partners expect you to follow negoitated rules and ship only what they agreed to take, not all the little extras your industry puts in the boxes. Tell us Haymaker was your US beef rejected in Japan or Korea because of Canadian beef or because of ban product namely SRMs? :?

PS Miss Tam some day you are going to have to wean yourself off that good ole AMERICAN teat.

let us look at some numbers Haymaker
2003 Pre BSE in the US you exported $3,030,608,000 worth of beef
2004 post BSE no major exports but Canada and Mexico $505,913,000

USDA DATA

Now here is where it gets interesting

2003 imports while you were exporting $2,623,565,000
2004 imports with no major export markets $3,633,646,000
2005 still no major export markets open $3, 657,825,000

Now do you notice something Haymaker? Let me point it out.
notice the over billion dollar difference between 2003 and 2005 and this was just the fresh and frozen BEEF not one beef animal is included.
Your imports are continually climbing even though you HAVE NO MAJOR EXPORT MARKETS!!!!

So my question is If you somehow baffle your exporting markets back into taking US beef to the same level they did in 2003 WHERE WILL THE BEEF COME FROM?

:shock: :? Talk about living on the teats of another country's industry. :wink:

Like elmo said once............It's hard ta run with tha big dogs when you are chained to the front porch

At least we are on the front porch Haymaker according to the USDA numbers if it wasn't for Canada and some of your other beef importing countries you would be locked behind the front porch door. :wink:

It will come from the many Ranchers that you have displaced, with the promoting of canadian captive beef supply,alot of fine ranchers have given up ranching due to market manipulations,without canadian beef,there will be ample market opportunity for these folks to realize a profit,also our next generation will get a fair chance to ranch and expand.
It is a well known fact.........we are losing the battle for the family farm,just aint profitable with the markets being controlled by 4 packers with their canadian captive supplies.............good luck

PS where there is a demand..........we will create a supply :wink:

Haymaker if they could not make it with the prices we have had the last few years they had damn sure better stick with what they are doing now :shock: What do you think fats should be $2 a pound? That sure will lure those folks away from there fried chicken :roll: Why don't you just have the gov. send you and Elmo a check every week and get it over with :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

mwj- NAFTA started 12 years ago-- Do you remember the prices then... :???:

 

[Kato]

Yup. It was the rock bottom end of a cattle cycle, if I remember correctly.

 

[Tam]

It will come from the many Ranchers that you have displaced, with the promoting of canadian captive beef supply,alot of fine ranchers have given up ranching due to market manipulations,without canadian beef,there will be ample market opportunity for these folks to realize a profit,also our next generation will get a fair chance to ranch and expand.
It is a well known fact.........we are losing the battle for the family farm,just aint profitable with the markets being controlled by 4 packers with their canadian captive supplies.............good luck

PS where there is a demand..........we will create a supply :wink:

Haymaker Where are all those displace ranchers going to get the land to go back into cattle ranching or expand if they are still in the business? How much US prime Ag. land has been taken out of production over the last decade? I happen to know a fair amount of farm land was when close to retirement US farmers choose to use their CRP checks as a source of income instead of selling their land to a young want to be producer. I even remember where one Sheridan country farmer put his farm in CRP and then went out and broke up a RANCH to farm , resulting in no less farm land but one less ranch producing cattle. :roll:

What about all the Ag. land that has been bought up by hunters and vacationers?

Then there is the prime Ag land that is being eaten up by real estate developers building, your ever growing population, places to live and Golf courses that they need to entertain that growing population.

The small percentage of beef and cattle that the US actually imports from Canada has a lot less to due with whether or not your ranchers will be able to afford to get back into ranching or expand their exsisting ranches than the Competition for an ever shrinking land base due to out side forces. Can a rancher afford to buy a small piece of land that hunters, city vacationer, land developers are buy up for millions of dollars. I don't think so.

Besides if you don't have enough beef now to feed your population how are you going to feed them without imports if you start retaining large sums of heifers to rebuild your herd? :?

 

[mwj]

mwj- NAFTA started 12 years ago-- Do you remember the prices then... :???:

Yes I do OT and I can remember the costs of inputs also. If you told me cattle raising pasture ground that is to hilly to farm was going to be $6500 per acre and N over $400 with $3.00 diesel to spread it those prices might have looked a little better :wink: