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Under 24 Month Positives in the UK

There is deception. The only way there wouldn't be deception is if Creekstone's packages said, "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE".

Creekstone wanted to sell "THE ILLUSION OF SAFETY". That's deception.

I'm surprised bse tester didn't make that argument since he CLAIMS to have a better test.

Creekstone admitted that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" but they didn't say a damn thing about including that disclaimer on the package.

When a Japanese consumer asks for bse tested beef, they expect that beef to be bse free.


~SH~
 
Sandbag: "SH, does Macon hand out a cash award to the biggest childish idiot of the year?"

Not sure but you would certainly be a contender for the idiot of the year but I think Conman has you beat hands down. You'd be a better qualifier for "MASTER ILLUSIONIST" or "SPINMASTER".


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
Randy K: "What benefit do you see from not testing Scotty? And please don't refer to the cost issue."

SH: It's totally unnecessary. I don't scratch my head unless it itches either.

Econ: Precisely why market forces need to be allowed to tell you to scratch or someone else will instead of the USDA carrying water for the big packers who don't want anyone to scratch. Again, another packer over producer/free market policy you expouse.


Sandbag: "That's not deception. If they're asking for testing, providing it is not deception, it's meeting a consumer's demand. It may be a foolish purchase, but it certainly is not deception. Buy a dictionary and look up the word."

SH: When a consumer buys bse tested beef, they expect it to be bse free. When bse tested does not mean bse free, that's deception. I don't need to look it up.

Econ: Who says it isn't, a knownothing from SD?

Sandbag: "Do I need to point out the parallels between testing and organic product to you again?"

SH: Why bother? That worthless argument wasn't any better the last time you turned it loose. When consumers buy organic, they are buying hormone and antibiotic free beef. They are getting what they are buying. Not the case with bse tested beef. Another of your classic apples to oranges ILLUSIONS that you are so fond of.

Econ: If packers are not already segregating, how do we know people are getting what they are paying for? That is where enforcement of laws comes in to keep the scammers out.

Sandbag: "You want to try to explain the millions being spent and the effort to "gain their trust" if we are providing what they want?"

SH: What's to explain? We had bse and now we have to regain the trust of the Japanese consumer that our beef is safe. We sure as hell won't do that with a test that will not reveal bse prions.

Econ: What better way do the Japs do it than to test? They do it at home. Are you so dense as to not realize this?

SH: You want to try to explain why Japan is importing untested beef from Canada and the US if they "SUPPOSEDLY" want untested beef?

Econ: How much beef are we really selling in Japan, SH? Is it pre bse levels or are you just blowing smoke again?

Sandbag: "Agman would disappear every time I asked him that question. He's a BSer, but he's smart enough to cut out when it won't spread anymore. Are you?"

SH: BWAHAHAHAHA!

Agman cut out from anything you posted???

Bwahahahaha! Yeh right!

Aren't you the tomcat?

Econ: Agman bows out when he knows he is wrong which makes him a whole level smarter than you. I can see why you idolize him.


bse tester: "What would you say to a test that can detect the most miniscule amounts of PrPsc in any animal of any age??"

SH: I would say TALK IS CHEAP especially with someone with a vested financial interest in selling bse tests.

If your claims had merit, Creekstone wouldn't have to admit that their bse tests would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. After all, they had $$$$$$ in their eyes too.

NEXT!

Econ: They didn't admit that. The possibility always exists that a test will determine bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.
 
SH, "When a consumer buys bse tested beef, they expect it to be bse free. When bse tested does not mean bse free, that's deception. I don't need to look it up."

If they are the ones asking for it, the only deception is to themselves. All the supplier is doing is meeting a customer's request. That's how it works in a free market society.


When consumers buy organic, they are buying hormone and antibiotic free beef. They are getting what they are buying. "

No, they are not getting what they are buying. They are buying hormone free because they think it is safer. You have even said that it is not. For you to deny the obvious shows your level of credibility.


SH, "What's to explain? We had bse and now we have to regain the trust of the Japanese consumer that our beef is safe.

But, SH, you tell us they're taking our beef. Agman tells us they are even scrambling to get it.
 
~SH~ said:
When a Japanese consumer asks for bse tested beef, they expect that beef to be bse free.

Tell me SH, how many Japanese consumers have you talked to? How many do you know?

Try to follow this reasoning: It is believed, by both science AND consumers, that if prions are not at the level that can be detected, that the beef is safe for human consumption. Have you ever considered that perhaps the Japanese consumer wants all beef tested, just in case a younger animal is found with sufficent levels to be possibly dangerous? The possibility is well beyond remote, but who are you to tell them they're wrong? Especially since it was once believed that BSE couldn't be detected under 30 months. We saw that to be wrong. Maybe the Japanese consumer understands science and new discovery better than you do?

On that note, I find your knowledge of Japanese to be amusing. Do you honestly believe that the average Japanese consumer knows less than the average American or Canadian consumer? Racist attitude, isn't it? Or is it simple ignorance of another culture?

Rod
 
Conman: "Precisely why market forces need to be allowed to tell you to scratch or someone else will instead of the USDA carrying water for the big packers who don't want anyone to scratch. Again, another packer over producer/free market policy you expouse."

That doesn't even make sense.

The free market policy I promote is for consumers to drive the market instead of conspiracy theorist government mandate lovers like you.


Conman: "Who says it isn't, a knownothing from SD?"

Talk is cheap "LYING KING"!

It's a lot easier to say than to prove isn't it?


Conman: "If packers are not already segregating, how do we know people are getting what they are paying for? That is where enforcement of laws comes in to keep the scammers out."

"M"COOL proponents do not want an enforceable traceback system. They want to dictate how the rest of the industry operates while contributing nothing to their goal of labeled beef.


Conman: "Econ: What better way do the Japs do it than to test? They do it at home. Are you so dense as to not realize this?"

Are you so dense as not to comprhend the fact that Japan is not asking for bse tested beef but rather they are importing non tested beef????

Tell the Japanese consumers what they want conman, I'd expect nothing less from you.


Conman: "Econ: How much beef are we really selling in Japan, SH? Is it pre bse levels or are you just blowing smoke again?"

The amount of beef doesn't circumvent the fact that Japan is importing non tested beef nor does it circumvent the fact that Japan is not asking for tested beef, they are asking for age verification.

Japan's actions speak louder than your empty cheap talk.

The reason we are not at pre bse levels is because we had bse you idiot.


Conman: "Agman bows out when he knows he is wrong which makes him a whole level smarter than you. I can see why you idolize him."

On the rare occassion that Agman has been wrong, he readily admits it. You blamers certainly have never proven him wrong. You don't back any of your views with supporting facts. In contrast, you lie continually and are wrong continually and never admit it.


Conman: "They didn't admit that. The possibility always exists that a test will determine bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age."

THEY DID ADMIT THAT!!!!

Creekstone's Fielding admitted that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE". Those are his exact words.

Yet another lie from the "LYING KING".


Sandbag: "If they are the ones asking for it, the only deception is to themselves. All the supplier is doing is meeting a customer's request. That's how it works in a free market society."

The consumer's request is for "BSE FREE BEEF". If "BSE TESTED BEEF" does not provide "BSE FREE", that is deception. Par for your course to support deception.

Are you honestly so stupid as to believe consumers want "BSE TESTED BEEF" but it doesn't necessarily have to be "BSE FREE"?

I figured you would be.


Sandbag: "No, they are not getting what they are buying. They are buying hormone free because they think it is safer. You have even said that it is not. For you to deny the obvious shows your level of credibility."

Organic is safer if withdrawl times have not been adhered to. If withdrawl times have been adhered to, then it is not safer. Organic customers are not willing to take the chance that withdrawl times have been adhered to. In some cases, it could be safer so consumers are getting what they are asking for. This dog won't hunt Sandbag. None of your dogs do.


Sandbag: "But, SH, you tell us they're taking our beef. Agman tells us they are even scrambling to get it."

They are taking our beef and they are scrambling to get it. What's your point? We are not at pre bse levels on exports. Different level of supply. APPLES TO ORANGES AGAIN!


NEXT!


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
Conman: "Precisely why market forces need to be allowed to tell you to scratch or someone else will instead of the USDA carrying water for the big packers who don't want anyone to scratch. Again, another packer over producer/free market policy you expouse."

That doesn't even make sense.

The free market policy I promote is for consumers to drive the market instead of conspiracy theorist government mandate lovers like you.

Econ: Consumers and producers have spoken. It came in the form of MCOOL. The packers just circumvented it by paying off politicians who are corrupt. Again, I call for them to be in jaill.

Conman: "Who says it isn't, a knownothing from SD?"

SH:Talk is cheap "LYING KING"!

It's a lot easier to say than to prove isn't it?

Econ: You prove it with almost every post.

Conman: "If packers are not already segregating, how do we know people are getting what they are paying for? That is where enforcement of laws comes in to keep the scammers out."

SH: "M"COOL proponents do not want an enforceable traceback system. They want to dictate how the rest of the industry operates while contributing nothing to their goal of labeled beef.

Econ: Producers don't want the USDA controlling the traceback because they know they are bought out by big packer interest. They want the free market to do it. Enforcement with real penalties is the way to get it. Packer boxes shipped without the proper label having a $10,000.00 fine for each box would stop this nonsense quickly. It does require enforcement.

Conman: "Econ: What better way do the Japs do it than to test? They do it at home. Are you so dense as to not realize this?"

SH: Are you so dense as not to comprhend the fact that Japan is not asking for bse tested beef but rather they are importing non tested beef????

Tell the Japanese consumers what they want conman, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Econ: I think my interpretaion of what they want is closer than your big packer loving squirrel interpretation you have tried and failed to push.

Conman: "Econ: How much beef are we really selling in Japan, SH? Is it pre bse levels or are you just blowing smoke again?"

SH: The amount of beef doesn't circumvent the fact that Japan is importing non tested beef nor does it circumvent the fact that Japan is not asking for tested beef, they are asking for age verification.

Japan's actions speak louder than your empty cheap talk.

The reason we are not at pre bse levels is because we had bse you idiot.

Econ: Case in point.

Conman: "Agman bows out when he knows he is wrong which makes him a whole level smarter than you. I can see why you idolize him."

SH: On the rare occassion that Agman has been wrong, he readily admits it. You blamers certainly have never proven him wrong. You don't back any of your views with supporting facts. In contrast, you lie continually and are wrong continually and never admit it.

Econ: Where do you get your alliegence to Agman? Blindly follow the packer propaganda from above?

Conman: "They didn't admit that. The possibility always exists that a test will determine bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age."

SH: THEY DID ADMIT THAT!!!!

Creekstone's Fielding admitted that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE". Those are his exact words.

Yet another lie from the "LYING KING".

Econ: So the Japanese and the rest of the world are just wrong to test? Perhaps our testing for bse in the US by the USDA has been a fraud all along? You are getting warm, SH.


Sandbag: "If they are the ones asking for it, the only deception is to themselves. All the supplier is doing is meeting a customer's request. That's how it works in a free market society."

SH: The consumer's request is for "BSE FREE BEEF". If "BSE TESTED BEEF" does not provide "BSE FREE", that is deception. Par for your course to support deception.

Are you honestly so stupid as to believe consumers want "BSE TESTED BEEF" but it doesn't necessarily have to be "BSE FREE"?

I figured you would be.

Econ: So the USDA's tests were all wrong? Is there even a thing as bse or was it all just a packer conspiracy? My your mind is working today SH.


Sandbag: "No, they are not getting what they are buying. They are buying hormone free because they think it is safer. You have even said that it is not. For you to deny the obvious shows your level of credibility."

SH: Organic is safer if withdrawl times have not been adhered to. If withdrawl times have been adhered to, then it is not safer. Organic customers are not willing to take the chance that withdrawl times have been adhered to. In some cases, it could be safer so consumers are getting what they are asking for. This dog won't hunt Sandbag. None of your dogs do.

Econ: In true organic, withdrawel periods are moot. You know so little about the issue, sh, just don't keep showing your ignorance to everyone.

Sandbag: "But, SH, you tell us they're taking our beef. Agman tells us they are even scrambling to get it."

SH: They are taking our beef and they are scrambling to get it. What's your point? We are not at pre bse levels on exports. Different level of supply. APPLES TO ORANGES AGAIN!


NEXT!

Econ: The Japanese have had more bse positives than we have yet they continue to eat their own beef after testing and showing it is not there!!! It is you who are the fruit here, SH.

~SH~
 
Lying King: "Consumers and producers have spoken. It came in the form of MCOOL. The packers just circumvented it by paying off politicians who are corrupt. Again, I call for them to be in jaill."

That's another damn lie.

The law, as written, is not enforceable because Mandatory ID was prohibited. Hence the reason the law is flawed.


Lying King: "Producers don't want the USDA controlling the traceback because they know they are bought out by big packer interest. They want the free market to do it. Enforcement with real penalties is the way to get it. Packer boxes shipped without the proper label having a $10,000.00 fine for each box would stop this nonsense quickly. It does require enforcement."

Packer blaming producers cannot have it both ways. If they want a mandated labeling law, they have to have a mandatory traceback to enforce it. What good does a fine do if the packers have no way to verify the origin of the cattle you moron. If they wanted the free market to do it, IT ALREADY IS DOING IT IN THE FORM OF SOURCE VERIFIED BRANDED BEEF PROGRAMS.

What they want is for USDA to follow every imported animal through the packing plant and label it as foreign beef WHEN CONSUMERS ARE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR IT.

Symbolism over substance!


Lying King: "I think my interpretaion of what they want is closer than your big packer loving squirrel interpretation you have tried and failed to push."

That would explain why they continue to import NON TESTED beef. Yup, Conman the Lying King knows more about the needs of the Japanese consumer than they themselves do. TYPICAL!


Lying King: "Where do you get your alliegence to Agman? Blindly follow the packer propaganda from above?"

Blindly following would be your MO. That's why you can never back your position with supporting facts and why you cannot refute anything I state with opposing facts. I suppose it eases your filthy conscience to accuse others of what it is that you do best.

Agman presents the facts. Something you can't even begin to relate to.


Lying King: "So the Japanese and the rest of the world are just wrong to test? Perhaps our testing for bse in the US by the USDA has been a fraud all along? You are getting warm, SH."

Once again, you expose your complete stupidity to the world. USDA IS TESTING CATTLE OVER 30 MONTHS OF AGE YOU MORON. Creekstone wanted to test cattle under 24 months of age. You are so completely lost.


Lying King: "In true organic, withdrawel periods are moot. You know so little about the issue, sh, just don't keep showing your ignorance to everyone."

Hahaha! YA THINK????

What the hell would you withdraw from if you didn't use implants or growth hormones??

Keep typing Lying King. You make my point time and time again.

Keep telling yourself how little I know about the issue because that is all you ever bring to the table is cheap talk.


Lying King: "The Japanese have had more bse positives than we have yet they continue to eat their own beef after testing and showing it is not there!!!"

Simple question for your simple mind. If the Japanese wanted bse tested beef, why are they importing non tested beef. How do you explain that????

Forced at gunpoint? LOL!


NEXT!


~SH~
 
NEXT

Another quote from your home grown American Nobel Prize winner Stanely Prusiner at a recent Calgary gathering.

He commented that it is impossible to arbitrarily determine whether cattle aged 20 or 30 months are free of prions just before or just after those time periods.

Mr. Prusiner believes that all cattle should be tested.

Damn Packer Bwammer :roll: - referring to testing as an economic issue where packers are making decisions.

Hang im up Scotty. He's back in your country now.
 
~SH~ said:
Simple question for your simple mind. If the Japanese wanted bse tested beef, why are they importing non tested beef. How do you explain that????

Simple answer for your simple mind. They're importing NEXT TO NOTHING. There is a difference between an import market and a REAL import market.

Hey SH, why didn't you answer my question from before? How many Japanese consumers do you know? How many have you asked about why they want BSE testing? How do you know that the Japanese don't realize that BSE testing under 20 month animals has a remote chance of finding anything but they want it anyway? How do you know this SH? Whats your source of information? Would you mind posting it for all to see?

Rod
 
SH wrote:

If the prions don't even show up until the animal is at least 24 months old it doesn't insure a damn thing. It's pure deception and totally understandable why you would support it. Par for your lying course.

And:

Quote:
bse tester: "What would you say to a test that can detect the most miniscule amounts of PrPsc in any animal of any age??"

I would say TALK IS CHEAP especially with someone with a vested financial interest in selling bse tests.

If your claims had merit, Creekstone wouldn't have to admit that their bse tests would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. After all, they had $$$$$$ in their eyes too.

The problem with you SH is that your mouth tends to open long before your brain cell has had sufficient time to energize. In order to answer your statement, one would have to first imagine a reason to engage in such foolishness but for the sake of good humor and the fact that whatever you write is always entertaining, I shall offer this to you and perhaps you can wrap your head around it.

It is entirely possible that Creekstone has a test that is incapable of the level of sensitivity that is required to detect PrPsc in animals that are in the early stages of infection, and/or younger than the government stated lower age limit for infection of 24 months. But then, that concept is something you fail to understand.

The other concept of which you are entirely unable to grasp is the fact that if a sensitive enough and proven test for PrPsc is unable to provide detectable evidence of PrPsc in the donor animal, then it is scientifically acceptable to clearly state two things with certainty:

1. That the animal has indeed been tested for BSE

2. That that particular animal is clearly and scientifically determined to be free of PrPsc infection. That means that it can be shown as being "BSE TESTED AND BSE FREE."

- providing of course that the test used is one that is proven to be able to detect the presence of PrPsc in the most minute amounts and is a test that is completely sanctioned by the world authorities such as the OIE and the EFSA. I am not so sure that the test that Creekstone wishes to use has met all of that criteria and it is not also a fact that the test that the USDA uses is also one that is full of holes????

But then, since you are so full of Prion knowledge and a self-appointed expert in Prion Diseases, who am I to argue with the likes of you?? Besides, I can at least sleep at night and not worry, as I am sure you do, about the bottle falling off the door handle or someone stealing your coffee out of your locked-up fridge!!!

Oh, one last thing, since you are the absolute master of "Cheap Talk," - with respect to the money that I am allegedly going to make - you know, the same money that is in my eyes as you state?? I am already on record as to what will happen to any profits we make but then, you are free to think otherwise. Whatever conspiracy theory cranks your engine!
 
Rod: "Tell me SH, how many Japanese consumers have you talked to? How many do you know?"

"RED HERRING"

I don't know any and I haven't talked to any but how is that relevant? Do you think a discussion I may have had with a few Japanese consumers would be indicative of the attitudes of the country towards bse testing? How stupid is that?

First, I look at the obvious. Japan is negotiating "AGE VERIFICATION" with the US, not a damn thing is being mentioned about testing.

Secondly, I look at the fact that Japan is importing NON TESTED BEEF from the US and Canada.

What the hell else do I need to know? Japan's actions speak a lot louder than someone's words who wants to sell a bse test or someone else's words that wants to deceive Japanese consumers with a test that will not reveal bse prions in younger cattle or someone else's words that wants to blame USDA.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!


Rod: "Try to follow this reasoning: It is believed, by both science AND consumers, that if prions are not at the level that can be detected, that the beef is safe for human consumption."

More logical than that is if the USDA "APPROVED TESTS" will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, TESTING ANIMALS UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE IS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY. Japan's ACTIONS would reflect that logic.


Rod: "Have you ever considered that perhaps the Japanese consumer wants all beef tested, just in case a younger animal is found with sufficent levels to be possibly dangerous?"

Have you ever considered that if Japanese consumers wanted all beef tested THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT BE NEGOTIATING AGE VERIFICATION AND WOULD BE INSISTING ON ONLY IMPORTING TESTED BEEF????

Is the obvious too obvious for you Rod?


Rod: "The possibility is well beyond remote, but who are you to tell them they're wrong?"

I don't have to tell them anything, they obviously have it figured out BASED ON THEIR ACTIONS.


Rod: "Especially since it was once believed that BSE couldn't be detected under 30 months. We saw that to be wrong. Maybe the Japanese consumer understands science and new discovery better than you do?"

That would explain why they are concerned with age verification and why they are importing non tested beef wouldn't it?? Hahaha! I know, the obvious is just too obvious.

Rod: "On that note, I find your knowledge of Japanese to be amusing. Do you honestly believe that the average Japanese consumer knows less than the average American or Canadian consumer? Racist attitude, isn't it? Or is it simple ignorance of another culture?"

I will certainly admit that my knowledge of the Japanese culture is quite limited but if you are willing to make the case that their actions seldom reflect their desires, perhaps you can present a valid argument why they still want bse tested beef while their government imports non tested beef from the US and Canada (two countries that had bse) and stresses AGE VERIFICATION and SRM REMOVAL.

Would you like to make that argument?

The arrogance here is all yours to insist that your words speak louder than their actions.


~SH~
 
Primer on how to kill a market

Originally published in MidAmerica Farmer Grower, Vol. 23, No. 6, February 10, 2006

Reproduction Permission Granted with 1) full attribution to Daryll E. Ray and the Agricultural Policy Analysis Center, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN;

2) Copy of reproduction sent to Information Specialist, Agricultural Policy Analysis Center, 309 Morgan Hall, Knoxville, TN 37996-4519



PolicyPennings by Dr. Daryll E. Ray

Article Number 288

With last December's reopening of the

Japanese market to US beef we thought that just

maybe the BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy

or mad cow disease) story was winding to a close.

But our hopes were dashed with two late January

announcements. A US packer included spinal

column material in a shipment of veal to Japan

resulting in the Japanese once more closing their

market to US beef. The second story was the

discovery of another Canadian animal with BSE.

But that wasn't the worst of it. Mixed into

all of this was a case of foot-in-mouth disease on

the part of a USDA official who was reported by

the Japanese press to have said "that there was a

higher probability of being hit by a car while going

to buy beef at a store than being harmed by eating

beef infected with mad cow disease."

While that may be true from a statistical

perspective, such a statement does not

communicate any awareness of how seriously the

Japanese take the problem of BSE. One can get

by with ridiculing one's enemies, but that is hardly

the way to treat a customer who prior to the

discovery of BSE in one cow in December 2003

purchased $1.4 billion worth of beef a year.

As we review this whole saga from its

start in late 2003, it appears to us that the US

response to Japanese concerns has been illconsidered

at best. From the beginning US

officials have treated the issue as if the Japanese

response were a matter of trade protectionism

on their part – protecting their domestic beef

market – instead of treating it as a reflection of

a real concern on the part of the Japanese public.

The result has been to run the risk of

driving the Japanese beef consumer into the arms

of one of our export competitors. Australia. While

US officials did everything they could to force

the Japanese to back down on their demand that

every animal be tested for BSE, the Australians

were moving into the market and capturing a part

of the market share that had been occupied by

US beef producers. The wrangle lasted for nearly

two years giving the Australians plenty of time

to convince Japanese consumers of the quality

of their product.

Much of this could have been avoided if

the USDA and the US meat industry had

remembered the old adage, "The customer is always

right," even if a majority of other market

participants disagree. The traffic death toll matters

little if what the customer is concerned about is BSE.

Within a month and a half of the discovery

of BSE in the US herd, Creekstone Farms submitted

a request to USDA to be allowed to conduct private

BSE testing at their plant in Arkansas City, Kansas.

The Japanese were willing to cover the extra testing

cost and open their market to Creekstone's product.

If the USDA had permitted Creekstone to test all

of the animals it sent to Japan, US exports could

have resumed quickly giving the Australians little

time to move into that market.

Instead the USDA waited six weeks before

refusing Creekstone's request. In part the USDA

argued that if they allowed one company to test for

BSE in order to sell into the Japanese market it would

force all other companies wishing to sell to the

Japanese to test for BSE as well. And if it became

the norm a fear was that domestic consumers may

begin to demand testing as well.

What an interesting perspective. One

company makes an innovation like painting cars

red, yellow, green, and blue and pretty soon all

car companies will have to do it, even though black

cars work just as well as green ones and green

paint is a little more expensive. Ford ignored

consumer preference and ended up permanently

losing market share.

Having been forced to buy other brands to

get the color they wanted, consumers developed

loyalties to these companies. When growing up we

knew several generations of families who only

bought Plymouths or Chevys or Pontiacs.

Other innovations fall by the wayside like

the huge fins on the back of 50s and 60s Chrysler

Corporation vehicles. Consumer preference is the

way the market sorts out various innovations.

Our guess is that if the USDA had quickly

approved Creekstone's request the market

interruption for US beef would have been less

than three months, giving little time for

competitors to establish themselves in the market.

In addition it would have signaled our attentiveness

to the concerns of Japanese consumers.

Instead, we are once again at loggerheads

with Japanese agricultural and trade officials –

hardly a position from which we are likely to

quickly recapture a market worth $1.4 billion.

Daryll E. Ray holds the Blasingame Chair of

Excellence in Agricultural Policy, Institute of Agriculture,

University of Tennessee, and is the Director of UT's Agricultural

Policy Analysis Center (APAC). (865) 974-7407; Fax: (865)

974-7298; [email protected]; http://www.agpolicy.org. Daryll

Ray's column is written with the research and assistance of

Harwood D. Schaffer, Research Associate with APAC.

http://apacweb.ag.utk.edu/weekpdf/288.pdf



bottom line, the Japanese were correct all along. ...TSS



CDC DR. PAUL BROWN TSE EXPERT COMMENTS 2006


The U.S. Department of Agriculture was quick to assure the public earlier
this week that the third case of mad cow disease did not pose a risk to
them, but what federal officials have not acknowledged is that this latest
case indicates the deadly disease has been circulating in U.S. herds for at
least a decade.

The second case, which was detected last year in a Texas cow and which USDA
officials were reluctant to verify, was approximately 12 years old.

These two cases (the latest was detected in an Alabama cow) present a
picture of the disease having been here for 10 years or so, since it is
thought that cows usually contract the disease from contaminated feed they
consume as calves. The concern is that humans can contract a fatal,
incurable, brain-wasting illness from consuming beef products contaminated
with the mad cow pathogen.

"The fact the Texas cow showed up fairly clearly implied the existence of
other undetected cases," Dr. Paul Brown, former medical director of the
National Institutes of Health's Laboratory for Central Nervous System
Studies and an expert on mad cow-like diseases, told United Press
International. "The question was, 'How many?' and we still can't answer
that."

Brown, who is preparing a scientific paper based on the latest two mad cow
cases to estimate the maximum number of infected cows that occurred in the
United States, said he has "absolutely no confidence in USDA tests before
one year ago" because of the agency's reluctance to retest the Texas cow
that initially tested positive.

USDA officials finally retested the cow and confirmed it was infected seven
months later, but only at the insistence of the agency's inspector general.

"Everything they did on the Texas cow makes everything USDA did before 2005
suspect," Brown said. ...snip...end


http://www.upi.com/


CDC - Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy and Variant Creutzfeldt ...
Dr. Paul Brown is Senior Research Scientist in the Laboratory of Central
Nervous System ... Address for correspondence: Paul Brown, Building 36, Room
4A-05, ...


http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no1/brown.htm




US SENATOR AND STAN THE MAN SLAM USDA ''DAMNING TESTIMONY''

Senator Michael Machado from California

''USDA does not know what's going on''.
''USDA is protecting the industry''.
''SHOULD the state of California step in''

Stanley Prusiner

''nobody has ever ask us to comment''

''they don't want us to comment''

''they never ask''

i tried to see Venemon, after Candian cow was discovered with BSE.
went to see lyle. after talking with him... absolute ignorance... then
thought i should see Venemon... it was clear his entire policy was to get cattle
bonless beef prods across the border... nothing else mattered...
his aids confirmed this... 5 times i tried to see Venemon, never worked...
eventually met with carl rove the political... he is the one that arranged meeting
with Venemon... just trying to give you a sense of the distance... healh public safety...
was never contacted... yes i believe that prions are bad to eat and you can die from them...

END


Dr. Stan bashing Ann Veneman - 3 minutes


*** YOU MUST WATCH THIS! ...TSS

http://maddeer.org/video/embedded/08snip.ram





PAUL BROWN M.D.


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/02n0273/02n-0273-c000490-vol40.pdf





9 December 2005
Division of Dockets Management (RFA-305)

SEROLOGICALS CORPORATION
James J. Kramer, Ph.D.
Vice President, Corporate Operations


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/02n0273/02n-0273-c000383-01-vol35.pdf




Embassy of Japan


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/02n0273/02N-0273-EC240.htm




Dockets Entered on December 22, 2005
2005D-0330, Guidance for Industry and FDA Review Staff on Collection of
Platelets
by Automated ... EC 203, McDonald's Restaurants Corporation, Vol #:, 34 ...


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/05/Dec05/122205/122205.htm




03-025IF 03-025IF-631 Linda A. Detwiler [PDF]
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03-025IF 03-025IF-634 Linda A. Detwiler [PDF]
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Page 1 of 17 9/13/2005 [PDF]
... 2005 6:17 PM To: [email protected]. Subject: [Docket
No. 03-025IFA]
FSIS Prohibition of the Use of Specified Risk Materials for Human Food ...


http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/Comments/03-025IFA/03-025IFA-2.pdf



03-025IFA 03-025IFA-6 Jason Frost [PDF]
... Zealand Embassy COMMENTS ON FEDERAL REGISTER 9 CFR Parts 309 et al
[Docket No. 03-
025IF] Prohibition of the Use of Specified Risk Materials for Human Food and
...
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/Comments/03-025IFA/03-025IFA-6.pdf




http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Search/Search_Results/Index.asp?q=03-025IF&mode=simple&num=10&as_occt=any&restrict=FSIS_DOCKET_COMMENTS



In its opinion of 7-8 December 2000 (EC 2000), the SSC ... [PDF]
Page 1. Linda A. Detwiler, DVM 225 Hwy 35 Red Bank, New Jersey 07701 Phone:
732-741-2290
Cell: 732-580-9391 Fax: 732-741-7751 June 22, 2005 FSIS Docket Clerk US ...


http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/Comments/03-025IF/03-025IF-589.pdf




Page 1 of 17 9/13/2005 [PDF]
... Page 1 of 17 From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. [[email protected]] Sent:
Thursday,
September 08, 2005 6:17 PM To: [email protected].
Subject ...


http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/Comments/03-025IFA/03-025IFA-2.pdf




http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/Comments/03-025IFA/03-025IFA-2.pdf





03-025IF 03-025IF-618 Richard L. Crawford [PDF]
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03-038IF 03-038IF-15 Richard L. Crawford [PDF]
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Subject: MAD COW FDA FEED WARNING LETTER NO. 2007-NOL-01 October 26, 2006 H.J. Baker & Bro., Inc.
Date: November 7, 2006 at 9:08 am PST
Food and Drug Administration

New Orleans District

404 BNA Drive, Building 200, Suite 500

Nashville, TN 37217

Telephone: 615-366-7801

Facsimile: 615-366-7802

October 26, 2006

WARNING LETTER NO. 2007-NOL-01

FEDERAL EXPRESS

OVERNIGHT DELIVERY

Mr. Christopher V. B. Smith

Corporate President, CEO

H. J. Baker & Bro., Inc.

228 Saugatuck Avenue

Westport, Connecticut 06880

Dear Mr. Smith:

On June 6, 8, 12-15, and 23, 2006, a U.S . Food and Drug Administration (FDA) investigator inspected

your animal feed protein supplement manufacturing facility, located at 603 Railroad Avenue,

Albertville, Alabama. The inspection revealed significant deviations from the requirements set forth in

Title 21, Code ofFederal Regulations, Part 589.2000 (21 CFR 589.2000), Animal Proteins Prohibited in

Ruminant Feed. This regulation is intended to prevent the establishment and amplification of Bovine

Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE). You failed to follow the requirements of this regulation, resulting

in products being manufactured and distributed by your facility because they are adulterated within the

meaning of Section 402(a)(4) [21 USC 342(a)(4)] of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the

Act) and misbranded within the meaning of Section 403(a)(1) [21 USC 343(a)(1)] of the Act.

Our investigation determined adulteration resulted from the failure of your firm to establish and

implement measures sufficient to prevent commingling or cross-contamination . The adulterated feed

was subsequently misbranded because it was not properly labeled. Specifically, we found :

" Your firm failed to establish and use cleanout procedures or other means to prevent carry-over of

products which contain or may contain protein derived from mammalian tissues into animal protein

or feeds which may be used for ruminants, as required by 21 CFR 589.2000(e)(1)(iii)(B) .

Specifically, you failed to establish and use such measures for a screw auger installed in February

2005 . This auger is used to convey both prohibited and non-prohibited material to bulk storage bins.

In addition, you failed to follow the cleanout procedure your firm had developed for the receiving

systems. Your feed is, therefore, adulterated under Section 402(a)(4) [21 USC 342(a)(4)] of the Act.

" You failed to label all products which contained or may have contained prohibited materials with the

BSE cautionary statement, "Do not feed to cattle or other ruminants," as required by 21 CFR

589.2000(e)(1)(i) . Such products are misbranded under Section 403(3) [21 USC 343(a)(1)] of the

Act. These misbranded products include the three Pro-Pak products mentioned below, as well as

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those bulk loads of individual feed ingredients processed through this common screw auger and

distributed between the time it was installed in February 2005, and June 9, 2006 .

This letter is not intended to serve as an all-inclusive list of violations at your facility. As a

manufacturer of materials intended for animal feed use, you are responsible for ensuring your overall

operation and the products you manufacture and distribute are in compliance with the law. You should take prompt action to correct these violations, and you should establish a system whereby violations do not recur. Failure to promptly correct these violations may result in regulatory action, such as seizure and/or injunction, without further notice.

We acknowledge your June 16, 2006, voluntary recall of three products you manufactured from

February 2005 to June 2006. The three products recalled were: Pro-Lak Protein Concentrate for

Lactating Dairy Animals; Pro-Amino II for PreFresh and Lactating Cows; and, Pro-Pak Marine & Animal Protein Concentrate for Use in Animal Feed. Recall effectiveness checks and other measures

will determine the merit of this recall . We recognize you now label all products with the required BSE

cautionary statement and we also acknowledge your intent, given verbally to New Orleans District

management of the FDA, to discontinue the production of supplements which do not contain prohibited

materials. In your written response to this letter, please confirm in writing you have taken these steps.

You should notify this office in writing within 15 working days of receiving this letter, outlining the specific steps you have taken to bring your firm into compliance with the law, including the steps we acknowledge above and any additional steps you have taken. Your response should include an

explanation of each step taken to correct the violations and prevent their recurrence. If corrective action cannot be completed within 15 working days, state the reason for the delay and the date by which the corrections will be completed. Include copies of any available documentation demonstrating corrections have been made.

Your reply should be directed to Kari L. Batey, Compliance Officer, at the address above. If you have

questions regarding any issue in this letter, please contact Ms. Batey at (615) 366-7808.

Sincerely,

,

Carol S . Sanchez

Acting District Director

New Orleans District

Enclosure: Form FDA 483

cc: Craig R. Waterhouse

Plant Manager

H.J. Baker & Bros., Inc.

603 Railroad Avenue

Albertville, Alabama 35951-3419


http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g6104d.pdf




TSS


MORE 2006 FEED BAN VIOLATIONS BELOW, ''IN COMMERCE'' ;


Subject: MAD COW FEED RECALL USA SEPT 6, 2006 1961.72 TONS IN COMMERCE AL,
TN, AND WV
Date: September 6, 2006 at 7:58 am PST

PRODUCT
a) EVSRC Custom dairy feed, Recall # V-130-6;
b) Performance Chick Starter, Recall # V-131-6;
c) Performance Quail Grower, Recall # V-132-6;
d) Performance Pheasant Finisher, Recall # V-133-6.
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Donaldson & Hasenbein/dba J&R Feed Service, Inc., Cullman, AL, by telephone
on June 23, 2006 and by letter dated July 19, 2006. Firm initiated recall is
complete.
REASON
Dairy and poultry feeds were possibly contaminated with ruminant based
protein.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
477.72 tons
DISTRIBUTION
AL
______________________________
PRODUCT
a) Dairy feed, custom, Recall # V-134-6;
b) Custom Dairy Feed with Monensin, Recall # V-135-6.
CODE
None. Bulk product
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Recalling Firm: Burkmann Feed, Greeneville, TN, by Telephone beginning on
June 28, 2006.
Manufacturer: H. J. Baker & Bro., Inc., Albertville, AL. Firm initiated
recall is complete.
REASON
Possible contamination of dairy feeds with ruminant derived meat and bone
meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
1,484 tons
DISTRIBUTION
TN and WV


http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/enforce/2006/ENF00968.html




Subject: MAD COW FEED RECALLS ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR AUGUST 9, 2006 KY, LA,
MS, AL, GA, AND TN 11,000+ TONS
Date: August 16, 2006 at 9:19 am PST

RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: VETERINARY MEDICINE - CLASS II
______________________________
PRODUCT
Bulk custom made dairy feed, Recall # V-115-6
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Hiseville Feed & Seed Co., Hiseville, KY, by telephone and letter on or
about July 14, 2006. FDA initiated recall is ongoing.
REASON
Custom made feeds contain ingredient called Pro-Lak which may contain
ruminant derived meat and bone meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
Approximately 2,223 tons
DISTRIBUTION
KY

______________________________
PRODUCT
Bulk custom made dairy feed, Recall # V-116-6
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Rips Farm Center, Tollesboro, KY, by telephone and letter on July 14, 2006.
FDA initiated recall is ongoing.
REASON
Custom made feeds contain ingredient called Pro-Lak which may contain
ruminant derived meat and bone meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
1,220 tons
DISTRIBUTION
KY

______________________________
PRODUCT
Bulk custom made dairy feed, Recall # V-117-6
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Kentwood Co-op, Kentwood, LA, by telephone on June 27, 2006. FDA initiated
recall is completed.
REASON
Possible contamination of animal feed ingredients, including ingredients
that are used in feed for dairy animals, with ruminant derived meat and bone
meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
40 tons
DISTRIBUTION
LA and MS

______________________________
PRODUCT
Bulk Dairy Feed, Recall V-118-6
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Cal Maine Foods, Inc., Edwards, MS, by telephone on June 26, 2006. FDA
initiated recall is complete.
REASON
Possible contamination of animal feed ingredients, including ingredients
that are used in feed for dairy animals, with ruminant derived meat and bone
meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
7,150 tons
DISTRIBUTION
MS

______________________________
PRODUCT
Bulk custom dairy pre-mixes, Recall # V-119-6
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Walthall County Co-op, Tylertown, MS, by telephone on June 26, 2006. Firm
initiated recall is complete.
REASON
Possible contamination of dairy animal feeds with ruminant derived meat and
bone meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
87 tons
DISTRIBUTION
MS

______________________________
PRODUCT
Bulk custom dairy pre-mixes, Recall # V-120-6
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Ware Milling Inc., Houston, MS, by telephone on June 23, 2006. Firm
initiated recall is complete.
REASON
Possible contamination of dairy animal feeds with ruminant derived meat and
bone meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
350 tons
DISTRIBUTION
AL and MS

______________________________
PRODUCT
a) Tucker Milling, LLC Tm 32% Sinking Fish Grower, #2680-Pellet,
50 lb. bags, Recall # V-121-6;
b) Tucker Milling, LLC #31120, Game Bird Breeder Pellet,
50 lb. bags, Recall # V-122-6;
c) Tucker Milling, LLC #31232 Game Bird Grower,
50 lb. bags, Recall # V-123-6;
d) Tucker Milling, LLC 31227-Crumble, Game Bird Starter, BMD
Medicated, 50 lb bags, Recall # V-124-6;
e) Tucker Milling, LLC #31120, Game Bird Breeder, 50 lb bags,
Recall # V-125-6;
f) Tucker Milling, LLC #30230, 30 % Turkey Starter, 50 lb bags,
Recall # V-126-6;
g) Tucker Milling, LLC #30116, TM Broiler Finisher,
50 lb bags, Recall # V-127-6
CODE
All products manufactured from 02/01/2005 until 06/20/2006
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Recalling Firm: Tucker Milling LLC, Guntersville, AL, by telephone and visit
on June 20, 2006, and by letter on June 23, 2006.
Manufacturer: H. J. Baker and Brothers Inc., Stamford, CT. Firm initiated
recall is ongoing.
REASON
Poultry and fish feeds which were possibly contaminated with ruminant based
protein were not labeled as "Do not feed to ruminants".
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
7,541-50 lb bags
DISTRIBUTION
AL, GA, MS, and TN

END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR AUGUST 9, 2006

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Subject: MAD COW FEED RECALL MI MAMMALIAN PROTEIN VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN
COMMERCE 27,694,240 lbs
Date: August 6, 2006 at 6:14 pm PST
PRODUCT
Bulk custom dairy feds manufactured from concentrates, Recall # V-113-6
CODE
All dairy feeds produced between 2/1/05 and 6/16/06 and containing H. J.
Baker recalled feed products.
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Vita Plus Corp., Gagetown, MI, by visit beginning on June 21, 2006. Firm
initiated recall is complete.
REASON
The feed was manufactured from materials that may have been contaminated
with mammalian protein.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
27,694,240 lbs
DISTRIBUTION
MI


END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR AUGUST 2, 2006

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Subject: MAD COW FEED RECALL AL AND FL VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE 125
TONS Products manufactured from 02/01/2005 until 06/06/2006
Date: August 6, 2006 at 6:16 pm PST
PRODUCT
a) CO-OP 32% Sinking Catfish, Recall # V-100-6;
b) Performance Sheep Pell W/Decox/A/N, medicated,
net wt. 50 lbs, Recall # V-101-6;
c) Pro 40% Swine Conc Meal -- 50 lb, Recall # V-102-6;
d) CO-OP 32% Sinking Catfish Food Medicated,
Recall # V-103-6;
e) "Big Jim's" BBB Deer Ration, Big Buck Blend,
Recall # V-104-6;
f) CO-OP 40% Hog Supplement Medicated Pelleted,
Tylosin 100 grams/ton, 50 lb. bag, Recall # V-105-6;
g) Pig Starter Pell II, 18% W/MCDX Medicated 282020,
Carbadox -- 0.0055%, Recall # V-106-6;
h) CO-OP STARTER-GROWER CRUMBLES, Complete
Feed for Chickens from Hatch to 20 Weeks, Medicated,
Bacitracin Methylene Disalicylate, 25 and 50 Lbs,
Recall # V-107-6;
i) CO-OP LAYING PELLETS, Complete Feed for Laying
Chickens, Recall # 108-6;
j) CO-OP LAYING CRUMBLES, Recall # V-109-6;
k) CO-OP QUAIL FLIGHT CONDITIONER MEDICATED,
net wt 50 Lbs, Recall # V-110-6;
l) CO-OP QUAIL STARTER MEDICATED, Net Wt. 50 Lbs,
Recall # V-111-6;
m) CO-OP QUAIL GROWER MEDICATED, 50 Lbs,
Recall # V-112-6
CODE
Product manufactured from 02/01/2005 until 06/06/2006
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Alabama Farmers Cooperative, Inc., Decatur, AL, by telephone, fax, email and
visit on June 9, 2006. FDA initiated recall is complete.
REASON
Animal and fish feeds which were possibly contaminated with ruminant based
protein not labeled as "Do not feed to ruminants".
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
125 tons
DISTRIBUTION
AL and FL


END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR AUGUST 2, 2006

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Subject: MAD COW FEED RECALL KY VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE ?????
Date: August 6, 2006 at 6:19 pm PST
PRODUCT
Bulk custom made dairy feed, Recall # V-114-6
CODE
None
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Burkmann Feeds LLC, Glasgow, KY, by letter on July 14, 2006. Firm initiated
recall is ongoing.
REASON
Custom made feeds contain ingredient called Pro-Lak, which may contain
ruminant derived meat and bone meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
?????
DISTRIBUTION
KY
END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR AUGUST 2, 2006

###


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CJD WATCH MESSAGE BOARD
TSS
MAD COW FEED RECALL USA EQUALS 10,878.06 TONS NATIONWIDE
Sun Jul 16, 2006 09:22
71.248.128.67


RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: VETERINARY MEDICINE -- CLASS II
______________________________
PRODUCT
a) PRO-LAK, bulk weight, Protein Concentrate for Lactating Dairy Animals,
Recall # V-079-6;
b) ProAmino II, FOR PREFRESH AND LACTATING COWS, net weight 50lb (22.6 kg),
Recall # V-080-6;
c) PRO-PAK, MARINE & ANIMAL PROTEIN CONCENTRATE FOR USE IN ANIMAL
FEED, Recall # V-081-6;
d) Feather Meal, Recall # V-082-6
CODE
a) Bulk
b) None
c) Bulk
d) Bulk
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
H. J. Baker & Bro., Inc., Albertville, AL, by telephone on June 15, 2006 and
by press release on June 16, 2006. Firm initiated recall is ongoing.
REASON
Possible contamination of animal feeds with ruminent derived meat and bone
meal.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
10,878.06 tons
DISTRIBUTION
Nationwide

END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR July 12, 2006

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Subject: MAD COW FEED BAN WARNING LETTER ISSUED MAY 17, 2006
Date: June 27, 2006 at 7:42 am PST
Public Health Service
Food and Drug Administration

New Orleans District
297 Plus Park Blvd.
Nashville, TN 37217

Telephone: 615-781-5380
Fax: 615-781-5391


May 17, 2006

WARNING LETTER NO. 2006-NOL-06

FEDERAL EXPRESS
OVERNIGHT DELIVERY

Mr. William Shirley, Jr., Owner
Louisiana.DBA Riegel By-Products
2621 State Street
Dallas, Texas 75204

Dear Mr. Shirley:

On February 12, 17, 21, and 22, 2006, a U.S. Food & Drug Administration
(FDA) investigator inspected your rendering plant, located at 509 Fortson
Street, Shreveport, Louisiana. The inspection revealed significant
deviations from the requirements set forth in Title 21, Code of Federal
Regulations, Part 589.2000 [21 CFR 589.2000], Animal Proteins Prohibited in
Ruminant Feed. This regulation is intended to prevent the establishment and
amplification of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE). You failed to
follow the requirements of this regulation; products being manufactured and
distributed by your facility are misbranded within the meaning of Section
403(a)(1) [21 USC 343(a)(1)] of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act
(the Act).

Our investigation found you failed to provide measures, including sufficient
written procedures, to prevent commingling or cross-contamination and to
maintain sufficient written procedures [21 CFR 589.2000(e)] because:

You failed to use clean-out procedures or other means adequate to prevent
carryover of protein derived from mammalian tissues into animal protein or
feeds which may be used for ruminants. For example, your facility uses the
same equipment to process mammalian and poultry tissues. However, you use
only hot water to clean the cookers between processing tissues from each
species. You do not clean the auger, hammer mill, grinder, and spouts after
processing mammalian tissues.

You failed to maintain written procedures specifying the clean-out
procedures or other means to prevent carryover of protein derived from
mammalian tissues into feeds which may be used for ruminants.

As a result . the poultry meal you manufacture may contain protein derived
from mammalian tissues prohibited in ruminant feed. Pursuant to 21 CFR
589.2000(e)(1)(i), any products containing or may contain protein derived
from mammalian tissues must be labeled, "Do not feed to cattle or other
ruminants." Since you failed to label a product which may contain protein
derived from mammalian tissues with the required cautionary statement. the
poultry meal is misbranded under Section 403(a)(1) [21 USC 343(a)(1)] of the
Act.

This letter is not intended as an all-inclusive list of violations at your
facility. As a manufacturer of materials intended for animal feed use, you
are responsible for ensuring your overall operation and the products you
manufacture and distribute are in compliance with the law. You should take
prompt action to correct these violations, and you should establish a system
whereby violations do not recur. Failure to promptly correct these
violations may result in regulatory action, such as seizure and/or
injunction, without further notice.

You should notify this office in writing within 15 working days of receiving
this letter, outlining the specific steps you have taken to bring your firm
into compliance with the law. Your response should include an explanation of
each step taken to correct the violations and prevent their recurrence. If
corrective action cannot be completed within 15 working days, state the
reason for the delay and the date by which the corrections will be
completed. Include copies of any available documentation demonstrating
corrections have been made.

Your reply should be directed to Mark W. Rivero, Compliance Officer, U.S.
Food and Drug Administration, 2424 Edenborn Avenue, Suite 410, Metairie,
Louisiana 70001. If you have questions regarding any issue in this letter,
please contact Mr. Rivero at (504) 219-8818, extension 103.

Sincerely,

/S

Carol S. Sanchez
Acting District Director
New Orleans District


http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g5883d.htm


look at the table and you'll see that as little as 1 mg (or 0.001 gm) caused
7% (1 of 14) of the cows to come down with BSE;


Risk of oral infection with bovine spongiform encephalopathy agent in
primates

Corinne Ida Lasmézas, Emmanuel Comoy, Stephen Hawkins, Christian Herzog,
Franck Mouthon, Timm Konold, Frédéric Auvré, Evelyne Correia, Nathalie
Lescoutra-Etchegaray, Nicole Salès, Gerald Wells, Paul Brown, Jean-Philippe
Deslys
Summary The uncertain extent of human exposure to bovine spongiform
encephalopathy (BSE)--which can lead to variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease
(vCJD)--is compounded by incomplete knowledge about the efficiency of oral
infection and the magnitude of any bovine-to-human biological barrier to
transmission. We therefore investigated oral transmission of BSE to
non-human primates. We gave two macaques a 5 g oral dose of brain homogenate
from a BSE-infected cow. One macaque developed vCJD-like neurological
disease 60 months after exposure, whereas the other remained free of disease
at 76 months. On the basis of these findings and data from other studies, we
made a preliminary estimate of the food exposure risk for man, which
provides additional assurance that existing public health measures can
prevent transmission of BSE to man.


snip...


BSE bovine brain inoculum

100 g 10 g 5 g 1 g 100 mg 10 mg 1 mg 0·1 mg 0·01 mg

Primate (oral route)* 1/2 (50%)

Cattle (oral route)* 10/10 (100%) 7/9 (78%) 7/10 (70%) 3/15 (20%) 1/15 (7%)
1/15 (7%)

RIII mice (ic ip route)* 17/18 (94%) 15/17 (88%) 1/14 (7%)

PrPres biochemical detection

The comparison is made on the basis of calibration of the bovine inoculum
used in our study with primates against a bovine brain inoculum with a
similar PrPres concentration that was

inoculated into mice and cattle.8 *Data are number of animals
positive/number of animals surviving at the time of clinical onset of
disease in the first positive animal (%). The accuracy of

bioassays is generally judged to be about plus or minus 1 log. ic
ip=intracerebral and intraperitoneal.

Table 1: Comparison of transmission rates in primates and cattle infected
orally with similar BSE brain inocula


Published online January 27, 2005

http://www.thelancet.com/journal/journal.isa



TSS
 
SH wrote:

More logical than that is if the USDA "APPROVED TESTS" will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, TESTING ANIMALS UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE IS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY. Japan's ACTIONS would reflect that logic.

There is no logic in your words period!

You take the position that because the USDA uses what you consider to be an approved test that all is well in the land. You are so ridiculously wrong. The test(s) being used by the USDA are not accurate enough to provide 100% screening and will not detect the presence of PrPsc in minute quantities let alone in the early stages of infection. That is the problem. Your logic cannot grasp that.

Sure, they may have an "approved test," but that certainly doesn't make that test one that is sensitive enough to detect all levels of infection and certainly not accurate enough to be used until the advanced stages of infection are prevalant. You might also wish to ask who it was that approved their test??? You might be surprised!!!

Again, you use the fact that since I am in the business of selling my test that I should be regarded as someone who has a hidden motive and anything that I say should be taken with a grain of salt based solely upon the fact that I am trying to sell a test!! How moronically stupid can you get??

Every single test that is available, every single prescription drug, procedure, cure, pill or whatever you wish to use to provide either a medical definition of treatment, research, detection or preventative medicinal insight, is sold by someone to someone else. You seem to think that because there is a price attached to it that it should be considered as taboo and therefore anything that the salesman says is to be ignored.

Do you raise and sell cattle??? Do you pay the Vet or simply feed him more of your homespun insight??

That SH tells me that the bubble you live in was either donated to you ar you stole it because you should wake the hell up and realize that the world provides you nothing for nothing! In order for us to provide a test, just like Prionics or any of the others, money changes hands and progress is made. Research costs are more than costly and the returns are governed only by the quality and performance of that which is, as the end result of all of that time and research, being sold and used.

To label it as a scam - you never used those exact words - being put forward by one (me) who is trying to provide it, to sell it, is nothing short of stupid and to that end, as the great detective once said, "....when one sees that stupidity is all that can be offered, then stupidity is all that one can expect!"

So SH, is it that all that I can expect from you and your one-sided opinionated responses is that they are going to be in the realm of stupidity?? Then that is what I shall expect from you - since to date, that is all you have offered.

If you wish to engage me in a debate regarding hard science and Prion Diseases, the matters surrounding the money involved in the research, the entire argument regarding selling a test and what we, as a company intends to do with profits, then please, please bring your pocket-knife to this gunfight and let us go at it! I am sure that you will find it most enlightening. If you choose not to do so, then I will accept that also. But hey, as long as you and one or two others on this board seem to think that whatever I wish to share here is invalid simply due to the fact that my test may one day, hopefully, be sold to provide an early diagnosis of PrPsc infection in both cattle and humans, then you need to get dressed and sharpen your knife pal because you are long overdue for a wakeup call. So instead of making dumb-ash accusations and stupid statements about what my motives are, why don't you step up to the plate and take me on one-on-one and we shall see who is left standing holding their hat in their hand. As for me, I would welcome the chance to trim your hair in the same manner as Anne felt it back all those years ago when her husband got ticked off at her. But then I am not exactly like good ol' Henry but I do get a little sick and tired of ignorance and you seem to be well supplied with it.
 
Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
~SH~ said:
I don't know any and I haven't talked to any but how is that relevant? Do you think a discussion I may have had with a few Japanese consumers would be indicative of the attitudes of the country towards bse testing? How stupid is that?

And how stupid is it of you to be making statements about the Japanese consumer, since you haven't even talked to one? Not one single consumer. Yet you say that those consumers who are demanding BSE testing don't know what they're asking for. How do you know that? Do you know why the Japanese consumer is asking for BSE testing? Why are they asking for it SH? Please enlighten us, since you have no experience at all with the Japanese market.

~SH~ said:
First, I look at the obvious. Japan is negotiating "AGE VERIFICATION" with the US, not a damn thing is being mentioned about testing.

Do you think that maybe they're negotiating Age Verification because they've given up on asking for BSE testing?

~SH~ said:
Secondly, I look at the fact that Japan is importing NON TESTED BEEF from the US and Canada.

You apparently missed my comment about REAL MARKETS. The trivial amounts that Japan is importing doesn't even remotely come close to what they imported before.

~SH~ said:
Have you ever considered that if Japanese consumers wanted all beef tested THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT BE NEGOTIATING AGE VERIFICATION AND WOULD BE INSISTING ON ONLY IMPORTING TESTED BEEF????

Thats a leap of logic if ever I saw one. More likely: The Japanese government is negotiating age verification since they were unable to get the USDA to budge on 100% BSE testing. Not to mention that what the Japanese government is negotiating may not necessarily be what the majority of Japanese consumers are asking for. Haven't you ever noticed that governments do that from time to time?

~SH~ said:
Is the obvious too obvious for you Rod?

:roll: Your fallacious logic is hardly obvious SH.

~SH~ said:
from the US and Canada (two countries that had bse) and stresses AGE VERIFICATION and SRM REMOVAL.

Repeat after me: They are asking for Age Verification and SRM removal because they got shut down on BSE testing. Thats the whole essence of negotiations.

Or is that too obvious for you?

Rod
 
There is no logic in your words period!

You take the position that because the USDA uses what you consider to be an approved test that all is well in the land. You are so ridiculously wrong. The test(s) being used by the USDA are not accurate enough to provide 100% screening and will not detect the presence of PrPsc in minute quantities let alone in the early stages of infection. That is the problem. Your logic cannot grasp that.

Sure, they may have an "approved test," but that certainly doesn't make that test one that is sensitive enough to detect all levels of infection and certainly not accurate enough to be used until the advanced stages of infection are prevalant. You might also wish to ask who it was that approved their test??? You might be surprised!!!

Again, you use the fact that since I am in the business of selling my test that I should be regarded as someone who has a hidden motive and anything that I say should be taken with a grain of salt based solely upon the fact that I am trying to sell a test!! How moronically stupid can you get??

Every single test that is available, every single prescription drug, procedure, cure, pill or whatever you wish to use to provide either a medical definition of treatment, research, detection or preventative medicinal insight, is sold by someone to someone else. You seem to think that because there is a price attached to it that it should be considered as taboo and therefore anything that the salesman says is to be ignored.

Do you raise and sell cattle??? Do you pay the Vet or simply feed him more of your homespun insight??

That SH tells me that the bubble you live in was either donated to you ar you stole it because you should wake the hell up and realize that the world provides you nothing for nothing! In order for us to provide a test, just like Prionics or any of the others, money changes hands and progress is made. Research costs are more than costly and the returns are governed only by the quality and performance of that which is, as the end result of all of that time and research, being sold and used.

To label it as a scam - you never used those exact words - being put forward by one (me) who is trying to provide it, to sell it, is nothing short of stupid and to that end, as the great detective once said, "....when one sees that stupidity is all that can be offered, then stupidity is all that one can expect!"

So SH, is it that all that I can expect from you and your one-sided opinionated responses is that they are going to be in the realm of stupidity?? Then that is what I shall expect from you - since to date, that is all you have offered.

If you wish to engage me in a debate regarding hard science and Prion Diseases, the matters surrounding the money involved in the research, the entire argument regarding selling a test and what we, as a company intends to do with profits, then please, please bring your pocket-knife to this gunfight and let us go at it! I am sure that you will find it most enlightening. If you choose not to do so, then I will accept that also. But hey, as long as you and one or two others on this board seem to think that whatever I wish to share here is invalid simply due to the fact that my test may one day, hopefully, be sold to provide an early diagnosis of PrPsc infection in both cattle and humans, then you need to get dressed and sharpen your knife pal because you are long overdue for a wakeup call. So instead of making dumb-ash accusations and stupid statements about what my motives are, why don't you step up to the plate and take me on one-on-one and we shall see who is left standing holding their hat in their hand. As for me, I would welcome the chance to trim your hair in the same manner as Anne felt it back all those years ago when her husband got ticked off at her. But then I am not exactly like good ol' Henry but I do get a little sick and tired of ignorance and you seem to be well supplied with it.


Translation:

I have a bse test for sale and I know more than the USDA, the agency that is held publicly accountable for food safety, about the validity of bse tests but for some strange reason, USDA won't approve my test. Waaaaaaaahhhhhh!

Why won't USDA approve your test bse-tester? Hmmmmm???

Do you honestly want readers to believe that you care more about food safety than the agency taxed with that responsibility as you stand there with $$$$$$$$ in your eyes and a bse test kit in your hand? That's pretty damn arrogant.

Your bias screams!

What's your name bse-tester and what is your company's name? I'd like to do a little checking myself on why your "WHIZ BANG" bse test wasn't approved by USDA. Where there is smoke, sometimes there is just smoke.


~SH~
 
Rod: "And how stupid is it of you to be making statements about the Japanese consumer, since you haven't even talked to one? Not one single consumer. Yet you say that those consumers who are demanding BSE testing don't know what they're asking for. How do you know that? Do you know why the Japanese consumer is asking for BSE testing? Why are they asking for it SH? Please enlighten us, since you have no experience at all with the Japanese market."

As if talking to a single Japanese consumer would be indicative of the attitudes of all Japanese consumers. No Rod, I am more compelled to believe their actions of actual purchases of non tested beef from both the US and Canada unless you are trying to make the argument that Japanese consumers are not buying the beef imported into Japan? LOL!

I am saying that anyone who would be demanding a bse test, IF THEY WERE (I don't know that any are), they are certainly believing that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE". If that's not the case, then they are buying "AN ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

Why are they asking for it? WHO SAYS THEY ARE ROD??? Where is your proof that Japanese consumers are asking for bse testing AS THEY IMPORT NON TESTED BEEF from the US and Canada????


Rod: "Do you think that maybe they're negotiating Age Verification because they've given up on asking for BSE testing?"

I've never seen anything to prove that the Japanese consumer ever demanded bse testing. What I am seeing is Japan purchasing non tested beef and I am seeing reports that Japanese consumers are buying it as fast as it's made available.


Rod: "You apparently missed my comment about REAL MARKETS. The trivial amounts that Japan is importing doesn't even remotely come close to what they imported before."

Once again, you SPECULATE as to why that is but you don't know.

The reason we are not exporting to pre bse levels is two fold.

1. We had bse and some consumers backed away from buying beef from the US.

2. Japan is demanding age verification and the supply of age verified cattle, that meet Japan's qualifications, does not meet the demand.

If you would like to argue either point, BRING IT!


Rod: "Thats a leap of logic if ever I saw one. More likely: The Japanese government is negotiating age verification since they were unable to get the USDA to budge on 100% BSE testing. Not to mention that what the Japanese government is negotiating may not necessarily be what the majority of Japanese consumers are asking for. Haven't you ever noticed that governments do that from time to time?"

JAPANESE CONSUMERS ARE BUYING THE BEEF ROD!!!!!!!!

NOBODY HAS A GUN TO THEIR HEADS!!!!!!

IF THEY DIDN'T WANT IT, THEY WOULD NOT BUY IT!!!!!

Too deep for you?


Rod: "They are asking for Age Verification and SRM removal because they got shut down on BSE testing. Thats the whole essence of negotiations."

Hahaha!

Speculation (in question form) ...................

(Rod: "Do you think that maybe they're negotiating Age Verification because they've given up on asking for BSE testing?")

turns to fact (in statement form) ............

(Rod: "They are asking for Age Verification and SRM removal because they got shut down on BSE testing. Thats the whole essence of negotiations.")

right before your very eyes BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ROD WANTS TO BELIEVE.

Too funny!



~SH~
 

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