US trade deficit sets another record

[greg]

Roper,really take BMR's advice.I'm not real fond of some Jason's ideas BUT trust me,he ain't all bad,theres WAY worse on here! My advice stick to cofee shop and ranch talk.Way more pleasant attitude there.

 

[agman]

What makes you say Callicrate is struggling? Is your information possibly out of date?

With the $50 dollars per head premium he pays producer suppliers versus what he charges for meat he makes everyone else in the beef business look like saints.

With several of the major packers now entering the Natural Beef market those short term economic profits will narrow considerably as they begin to supply a growing but limited market.

Sounds like you are confirming that he is not "struggling."

When he sells the meat at his restaurant isn't that "value added" that you talk about.

Why would that be more value added then what goes on in every restaurant everyday? Your definition and mine differ over "value added". Creating more value from traditional cuts is adding value. Processing product to be more convenient so the house wife buys a pre-cooked roast that she would otherwise not buy is adding value. Making beef nuggets that sell for three times the value of the raw cut is adding new value. Do you see and understand the difference?

Mike is just leveraging his product farther up the end user stream. That is nothing new. I am all for him. I truly hope he is successful in that venture as I would be if it were you.

 

[Econ101]

Roper,really take BMR's advice.I'm not real fond of Jason's ideas BUT trust me,he ain't all bad,theres WAY worse on here! My advice stick to cofee shop and ranch talk.Way more pleasant attitude there.

No, I like Roper. Stay if you want to stay. These posts get as bad as the people who are posting want them to, but they could be more substantive.

Greg, you oughta stick around too. Don't let a someone's bad day get to you. (I was going to say it helps you be able to deal with people better but one might be looking over my shoulder).

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

The retail cost of hamburger stayed the same on a whole during the border closure even though old cows were selling for 2 cents a pound!

Roper, I asked the same question a few weeks back, and no-one was able to answer me. I had a couple nice culls stolen, and worked the numbers. Even using some of the higher values given for cutting and waste disposal, we still ended up $280 profit on an animal that sold for 38 cents/lb (I think these were the numbers, I'm too lazy to look back lol). I asked for someone to give me additional write offs against those dollars, but no-one was able to.

So the packers are not going to open the books (which they didn't, as people were wondering), as it would be apparent to all concerned just how much money was truly made during the BSE crisis, and how much was sheltered in other business concerns and recapitalization.

Rod

 

[Jason]

Rod come on... you did realize and admit the costs came down to a profit of maybe $93 on those 2 specific cows.

1 question we never got into is what happens to the beef, cows that don't yield up to the average?

By defininition, average is the middle some do better some do worse.

Your 2 young cows could quite concievably been in the top end of profit makers. That doesn't set the average.

Cows are far more variable in price than steers or feeder heifers. Profit margins we have discussed here are for fed cattle. Agman hasn't weighed in on cow profits. He has explained how many cows fewer the States has had to kill and that is the major reason for the high cull prices, not the closed Canadian border.

Greg, I understand I sound abrasive when replying to conman, but he trys to influence newer posters posing as some kind of expert. He quickly exposed himself as a fraud and I can't help but rub it in. If you were to go back you will find he gets what he gives.

Look back at my exchanges with Randy. I don't agree with many of his ideas, but I can respect what he is trying to do with Celtic beef, and I told him that in a thread about the quality of some of his fats.

 

[Anonymous]

The information on Mike Callicrate's Ranch Foods Direct business venture came from an interview with Mike Callicrate from R-CULT's own publication.

In that article he blames "consumer apathy" for his lack of profitability. Apparently Colorado consumers don't care enough about buying "born, raised, and processed in the U.S." beef to pay 10% - 20% more for it. So much for that theory.

In the article Mike admits that he is only paying producers a top premium of $50 over the market. In the article Mike admits that he is charging consumers 10% to 20% more than the retail outlets he has always claimed were "raping producers to the tune of $400 per head". In the article, he also admits that he has yet to realize a profit.

The packer blamer's hypocritical hero!

OCM, is Mike's company finally realizing a profit? Yes or no?

You'd like to create the "ILLUSION" that Mike's company is profitable wouldn't you? I assumed the R-CULT interview was accurate, are you suggesting it wasn't?



~SH~

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

1) Rod come on... you did realize and admit the costs came down to a profit of maybe $93 on those 2 specific cows.

2) 1 question we never got into is what happens to the beef, cows that don't yield up to the average?

1) Sorry Jason, I didn't poke back on the numbers, but I do remember it getting down there now. But also remember I used a LOW value for meat yield, and that one of those animals was UTM and wouldn't have ever went for hamburger.

2) Thats why I stuck with the below averages, and used high side costs. And we still came out with a number that was twice as high as is routinely quoted on here. Not to mention that these weren't 2 cent animals but 38 cent animals.

Rod

 

[RoperAB]

If you had any knowledge of the beef industry you wouldn't make such an ash out of yourself with every post.

Your pathetic conspiracy theories can temporarily side track producers who are starting to realize they need to be more informed in their own industry.

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This is what I was talking about and he wasnt even saying it to me. I didnt realise that it was good natured.