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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 Good Evening!

USDA Wants Science-Based BSE Tests (08/10/05 10:50)

DES MOINES (DTN) -- For a second time in as many years USDA denied Creekstone Farms Premium Beef LLC, a privately owned producer and processor, the authority to test company-owned cattle for bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), company officials told DTN.

Creekstone Farms wants to regain entry into the Japanese beef market where consumers consider its product high quality. Regaining entry would increase demand for U.S. cattle and the feed they consume. USDA's efforts to reopen the Japanese market have been long and drawn out.

Creekstone made the request to USDA Secretary Mike Johanns after being rejected in its first proposal for self BSE testing by former USDA Secretary Ann Veneman in February 2004.

The reason given by the Johanns administration was consistent with the prior administration's reason, Kevin Pentz, Creekstone Farms senior vice-president of operations, said.

"Because you can't detect BSE in cattle under 30 months of age, the USDA said the testing method in the U.S. needs to be science-based," Pentz said. "That's what they said but I bet some U.S. scientists would disagree with that."

The company estimates the closed Japanese markets costs $400 per head each day in lost revenue -- losses Creekstone hoped the self-testing program could help recoup.
 
Quote: "The company estimates the closed Japanese markets costs $400 per head each day in lost revenue -- losses Creekstone hoped the self-testing program could help recoup."
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Wow Sandman, that kinda puts NCBA's $175 per head to shame doesn't it?


Still no proof that Japan would even take tested beef.

MOOT POINT until they do!



~SH~
 
But the USDA just announced the new testing protocol, which will include younger animals! This would be a way to get testing done at no cost to the taxpayers!

Why don't they just tell the obvious truth, that the big packers are afraid the public will ask that all beef be tested.

Just giving the veggies more ammo!
 
Still no proof that Japan would even take tested beef.

MOOT POINT until they do!

~SH~
Gotta go along with SH on this one....everytime we think we are close to a Jap deal....the rice burners throw up another road block. Like I said before....put the damm plane in the air! :mad: Japan is playing us like a fiddle and our experts at USDA are kissing their butts everyday. Oh I forgot CAFTA is going to save us......my ass on this issue. :roll:
 
We have call their bluff up here in Canada. Told the company that says they could take tested beef to provide a letter from the Govrnment of Japan to say they can. No letter has shown up yet. Japan has elections in September so probably no action until then and depending on who get elected maybe no action for a long time. By the way the company that says they will take tested beef from Canada is in the middle of a bad deal with a hog plant in Sask. Owes some producers millions. Maybe not so reputable.
 
Who needs proof? It's obvious that Creekstone doesn't. They could care less about a bunch of dipsticks arguing whether there is proof or not.

They just want to get their market open and it's no secret that the USDA negotiators aren't doing a very good job.

:???:
 
~SH~ said:
Still no proof that Japan would even take tested beef.

MOOT POINT until they do!


~SH~
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Do you have proof that Japan won't take tested beef from Creekstone???
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why would a country accept product at lower safety standards than their domestic product???
 
How about the fact that the Japanese parliament has moved away from their previous 100% testing position in agreeing with the science.

"BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" and they now admit that.

You got nothing Robert!


~SH~
 
SH:"You got nothing Robert!"

You sure about that? :wink:

I noticed you skipped the first question and hasn't Japan found BSE in UTMs?
 
SAYS WHO!!! Because you can't detect BSE in cattle under 30 months of age,
With WHAT TEST????????????

OK then USE this TEST!!!!


We KNOW WHO!!!! the USDA said the testing method in the U.S. needs to be science-based,"
 
Porker,

Recent negotiations with Japan shows Japan moving away from the 100% testing position, not towards it.

You guys can dream all you want but until you provide proof that Japan is willing to accept 100% BSE tested beef, you got nothing.


~SH~
 
RobertMac said:
SH:"You got nothing Robert!"

You sure about that? :wink:

I noticed you skipped the first question and hasn't Japan found BSE in UTMs?
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Robert, Sometimes the facts are sitting right in front of our face and we don't see them. If Creekstone didn't think they could start shipping beef, would they still be chasing the USDA to get test kits?

Somebody needs to call the Japs hand on this.
 
Mike said:
But the USDA just announced the new testing protocol, which will include younger animals! This would be a way to get testing done at no cost to the taxpayers!

Why don't they just tell the obvious truth, that the big packers are afraid the public will ask that all beef be tested.

Just giving the veggies more ammo!
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To heck with the packers not wanting 100% testing, the question is "Do you?" It is the producer who would bear the cost of testing and the resulting inefficiencies it would cause, not the packers.
 
If some company is enterprising enough to want to find a way to differentiate their product why not let them? Yes, testing doesn't guarantee a BSE free product, but that isn't the point. Japan has more stringent rules towards testing beef, and a company wants to capitalize on that void in the market with their unique product. Who cares if that meat is safer or not, or if there is proof either way. The point is the governments on both sides of the border are draging their feet. The Canadian government inspects plants that slaughter specifically for the European market. The requirements for that beef doesn't make it any safer, but it allows market access. Is there hard evidence that Japan will take tested beef? Who knows, but there is a precedent of sorts that supports it.
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~SH~ said:
Quote: "The company estimates the closed Japanese markets costs $400 per head each day in lost revenue -- losses Creekstone hoped the self-testing program could help recoup."
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Wow Sandman, that kinda puts NCBA's $175 per head to shame doesn't it?


Still no proof that Japan would even take tested beef.

MOOT POINT until they do!



~SH~
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Your reading comprehension skills are severely lacking again, SH. NCBA says that $175 loss is for every animal, regardless of ownership. Creekstone's claims are $400/head for THEM.

When I was in grade school, we had these little SRA kits where you had to read a story and then answer questions on what you read. It taught reading comprehension skills. Maybe I could talk to the school here and see if I could get you started on the program? Judging on the proficiency you've shown here, you can probably skip second grade and go right into third.
 
"Because you can't detect BSE in cattle under 30 months of age, the USDA said the testing method in the U.S. needs to be science-based"

Why then has the USDA themselves tested animals younger than 30 months?

What about the "science-based" age limit of 30 months for Canadian beef and then the agreement with Japan that sets the age at 20 months?

What about the "science-based" list of SRMs for Canadian beef and a different list for Egypt, Taiwan, etc...?

What about Kosher, Halal, hormone-free, and organic that is allowed but clearly not science based?

And the 9th circuit court says the USDA should be given difference? :shock: Looks like another case of "Do as we say, not as we do". :mad:
 
Sandman,

Perhaps you would like to explain why Creekstone's estimated losses would be $400 per head while NCBA claims the industry losses are $175 per head.

Do you honestly believe that Creekstone has a $225 profit available to them exclusively?

You can't be serious. Somebody's numbers are wrong.



~SH~
 
I see where the Japanese Prime Minister who has been losing votes of confidence and now faces a Sept 11th election has appointed a new Agriculture Minister which has put all trade talks on hold- leading to speculation that all chances of US- Japan September meetings are gone-- the new minister has said that he will not seek a "political solution" to reopen trade with the US.......

Appears as tho we could be at the same place next year on the Japanese trade issue as we were a year ago :???: :( and the year before that....

Remember NCBA promised us working with the packers would give us good prices and we waited almost 20 years for that- until the border closed- we just need patience :wink: ..........
 
Oldtimer said:
I see where the Japanese Prime Minister who has been losing votes of confidence and now faces a Sept 11th election has appointed a new Agriculture Minister which has put all trade talks on hold- leading to speculation that all chances of US- Japan September meetings are gone-- the new minister has said that he will not seek a "political solution" to reopen trade with the US.......

Appears as tho we could be at the same place next year on the Japanese trade issue as we were a year ago :???: :( and the year before that....

Remember NCBA promised us working with the packers would give us good prices and we waited almost 20 years for that- until the border closed- we just need patience :wink: ..........
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OT, I'm afraid the Japanese market will end up as the EU market has..."this is the product, take it or leave it."
 
Appears as tho we could be at the same place next year on the Japanese trade issue as we were a year AGO.
**Anybody can sell to Japan when you Satisfy the RULES used in JAPAN.
 

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