USDA Couldn't Track Their Own Shadow!!!

[Tam]

Hey Haymaker since you are in Texas and it is Saturday night I guess I'll just have to console myself by going out to supper with the big tall good looking Canadian Cowboy that just called and asked me out. :wink: Better go get all dolled up he'll be here soon. retty: check back with you Broke back Mountain boys later :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Sandhusker]

Hey Haymaker since you are in Texas and it is Saturday night I guess I'll just have to console myself by going out to supper with the big tall good looking Canadian Cowboy that just called and asked me out. :wink: Better go get all dolled up he'll be here soon. retty: check back with you Broke back Mountain boys later :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Randy called?

 

[Tam]

Hey Haymaker since you are in Texas and it is Saturday night I guess I'll just have to console myself by going out to supper with the big tall good looking Canadian Cowboy that just called and asked me out. :wink: Better go get all dolled up he'll be here soon. retty: check back with you Broke back Mountain boys later :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Randy called?

Unlike the ladies you and Haymaker frequent I don't tell :wink:

 

[Texan]

Tam....you did well :lol:

I would have to disagree, Mrs. Greg. I would contend that she did very, very well. Too bad they didn't have their financier/banker with them. Guess he was at 'work'? :lol:

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Tam....you did well :lol:

I would have to disagree, Mrs. Greg. I would contend that she did very, very well. Too bad they didn't have their financier/banker with them. Guess he was at 'work'? :lol:

Statements like this elevate you to txag's status pretty fast

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Haymaker since you are in Texas and it is Saturday night I guess I'll just have to console myself by going out to supper with the big tall good looking Canadian Cowboy that just called and asked me out. :wink: Better go get all dolled up he'll be here soon. retty: check back with you Broke back Mountain boys later :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Randy called?

Unlike the ladies you and Haymaker frequent I don't tell :wink:

Xavier didn't give up her little black book either :wink: :lol:

My bride took me out to the new place that only serves Montana sourced beef/bread products for some of the finest rare prime rib I've had in a long time...And I got to wine and dine with the doctors and bankers and explain to the doctors and their wives how they are being defrauded by the USDA stamp which they all believed meant US raised product...They had no idea that they were getting or could be getting Canadian higher risk product passed off as a US product.... Actually they were astounded that a US government agency could allow this to happen....All the bankers- who were already R-CALF members- already knew about this fraud that the Packers/retailers have to use to market Canadian/Mexican beef.....

Nothing better than a night of a good meal, a couple toddy's and letting folks know the truth behind the fraudulent marketing scheme used to sell imported meat

 

[Tam]

Oldtimer we also went out for supper and got talking to a very nice Montana couple. No they weren't Docters or bankers but just plain every day beef eaters. We talked about the fact we are Canadian cattle ranchers and yes BSE did come up. I had noticed the wife had ordered beef and she said beef was her favorite by far and she really disliked venison even though her husband did like to hunt. We talked about Canada's feed ban and how restricting it is and every thing our industry has done to provide a safe product, she was very pleased. But when the discussion turned to the US feed ban and the loopholes it has, her face changed and her words were " maybe I'll start eating venison." Kind of tells you something about the trust your US consumers have in your system when they hear the truth doesn't it. :?

I of course explained that the risk of getting sick from eating beef is minute as in all the world only 150 have died from a disease that has been linked by circumstance to eating Beef not by fact. She then said she would keep eating beef and enjoying every bite.

Now I ask you Oldtimer if this woman saw two pieces of meat in a meat case and one was labeled US and the other Canadian which one do you think she would choose with what she knows about your feed ban compared to what she knows about ours now?

BTW Oldtimer now that you have pointed out your little fraud theory and pointed out how risky our beef is just how much unlabeled beef do you think these ladies will be buying? And please remember that even though the meat might very well be US beef as 95% of meat count meat is do you think they are going to take a chance on buying it now that you have put the idea it might be high risk imported beef into their heads? You have a great way of promoting Beef consumption. The Pork and Chicken people could not have done a better job themselves. :roll:

 

[mwj]

Tam....you did well :lol:

I would have to disagree, Mrs. Greg. I would contend that she did very, very well. Too bad they didn't have their financier/banker with them. Guess he was at 'work'? :lol:

Texan You are on the money and I am proud that someone stepped up to write te story for our reading pleasure :cowboy:

 

[Anonymous]

OT: "My bride took me out to the new place that only serves Montana sourced beef/bread products for some of the finest rare prime rib I've had in a long time...And I got to wine and dine with the doctors and bankers and explain to the doctors and their wives how they are being defrauded by the USDA stamp which they all believed meant US raised product...They had no idea that they were getting or could be getting Canadian higher risk product passed off as a US product.... Actually they were astounded that a US government agency could allow this to happen....All the bankers- who were already R-CALF members- already knew about this fraud that the Packers/retailers have to use to market Canadian/Mexican beef....."

Too bad none of the doctors and bankers and their wives knew enough about the issue to ask you to explain how Canadian product can be "higher risk" if their bse precautionary measures are exactly the same as the US's so they could watch you choke on your Canadian steak because the restraunt does not require proof of origin.

I would love to see you sign a contract verifying the definition of "high risk" so that if we were ever in the same situation as Canada, that you could tell the same story to the media then and watch the sweat beads run down your face.

All because you are too ignorant to know that if Canadian imports were banned, Canada would absorb that same portion of our Japanese export market.

I've never seen such a mindless follower of the gospel according to R-CULT as you are Old Timer. You're pathetic.

I'm glad those doctors and bankers have you to save them from the "USDA INSPECTED" stamp.

Did you also tell them that you didn't want to be burdened with a traceback system to prove the origin of US beef you hypocrite.

Thank you for reminding me again why I detest R-CALF and the lies they stand for.


~SH~

 

[Anonymous]

Don't worry ~SH~ the doctors and a lot of folks around here are already aware of the higher risk factor of Canadian beef-- since because of the nearity to the border, the findings of each new Canadian case gets plastered all over the local and state pages of our papers...

But it did take the Doctors aback to learn of the use/misuse of the USDA stamp... The learned Doctors did not believe any US Government Agency could/would allow such mislabelings of their products...

Several ranchers there, along with the bankers, that hadn't heard the results of the USDA's checkoff poll....I think their feelings were all identical to my response-- No one was surprised at the 92% vote to support USA born, raised, and slaughtered-- but also most thought that it would probably not be a high enough number to influence the bullheads in the NCBA to actually support what the majority of the cattlemen in the nation want :roll: ....Not a lot of faith in the USDA- and absolutely none in the NCBA....

And Tam- you don't have to worry about these ladies-- they can definitely afford to buy sourced US origin beef...In fact two were talking last night about splitting a beef and supporting our local economy
But since you don't know anything about promoting your own beef and have to have the retailers pawn it off as someone elses or something it actually isn't, in order to sell it- I suppose you wouldn't understand that :wink: :lol:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

If those ladies only knew the were in greater danger of being bored to death by listening to Oldtimer then ever catching BSE from eating meat produced in North America.

 

[mwj]

...oldtimer...if they were young animals the system would know where they came from...i t is really hard to imagine how some canadian feeders could go through a sales barn down there without someone noticing...i really don't understand how this story would help your cattle orgs reputation...in fact someone would really have to have the blinders on to believe it...

Apparently there were more than one transaction the cattle went through before the poor SD guy bought them. They came to the auction he bought them at from a direction other than north. Canada thus far has not given out tracking information it has on the cattle (the numbers were given to them by the USDA). They are claiming proprietary information. Maybe a legitimate claim, but makes you wonder.
Personally I think there is a scoundrel in this one south of the border. That doesn't mean somebody north didn't do something wrong, too. But it is almost definite that there was some deliberate law breaking going on here in the US and the USDA is dragging its feet. It has been over a month.

Now that Vandyke is posting and the owner is out in the open please share the info as to where the calves came from since he has not.

 

[Bill]

...oldtimer...if they were young animals the system would know where they came from...i t is really hard to imagine how some canadian feeders could go through a sales barn down there without someone noticing...i really don't understand how this story would help your cattle orgs reputation...in fact someone would really have to have the blinders on to believe it...

Apparently there were more than one transaction the cattle went through before the poor SD guy bought them. They came to the auction he bought them at from a direction other than north. Canada thus far has not given out tracking information it has on the cattle (the numbers were given to them by the USDA). They are claiming proprietary information. Maybe a legitimate claim, but makes you wonder.
Personally I think there is a scoundrel in this one south of the border. That doesn't mean somebody north didn't do something wrong, too. But it is almost definite that there was some deliberate law breaking going on here in the US and the USDA is dragging its feet. It has been over a month.

Now that Vandyke is posting and the owner is out in the open please share the info as to where the calves came from since he has not.

Yep ocm I would be interested as well.

 

[mwj]

Apparently there were more than one transaction the cattle went through before the poor SD guy bought them. They came to the auction he bought them at from a direction other than north. Canada thus far has not given out tracking information it has on the cattle (the numbers were given to them by the USDA). They are claiming proprietary information. Maybe a legitimate claim, but makes you wonder.
Personally I think there is a scoundrel in this one south of the border. That doesn't mean somebody north didn't do something wrong, too. But it is almost definite that there was some deliberate law breaking going on here in the US and the USDA is dragging its feet. It has been over a month.

Now that Vandyke is posting and the owner is out in the open please share the info as to where the calves came from since he has not.

Yep ocm I would be interested as well.

I guess I need to bump this up since we can not get past the cheerleaders in the Vandyke thread.

 

[mwj]

Now that Vandyke is posting and the owner is out in the open please share the info as to where the calves came from since he has not.

Yep ocm I would be interested as well.

I guess I need to bump this up since we can not get past the cheerleaders in the Vandyke thread.

Just a bump for Timh so he can get his borders straight :lol:

 

[PORKER]

Apparently there were more than one transaction the cattle went through before the poor SD guy bought them. They came to the auction he bought them at from a direction other than north. Canada thus far has not given out tracking information it has on the cattle (the numbers were given to them by the USDA). They are claiming proprietary information. Maybe a legitimate claim, but makes you wonder.
Personally I think there is a scoundrel in this one south of the border. That doesn't mean somebody north didn't do something wrong, too. But it is almost definite that there was some deliberate law breaking going on here in the US and the USDA is dragging its feet. Law Breaking always takes a while to change the paperwork
Actually they were astounded that a US government agency could allow this to happen or partake in such actions.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Apparently there were more than one transaction the cattle went through before the poor SD guy bought them. They came to the auction he bought them at from a direction other than north. Canada thus far has not given out tracking information it has on the cattle (the numbers were given to them by the USDA). They are claiming proprietary information. Maybe a legitimate claim, but makes you wonder.
Personally I think there is a scoundrel in this one south of the border. That doesn't mean somebody north didn't do something wrong, too. But it is almost definite that there was some deliberate law breaking going on here in the US and the USDA is dragging its feet. Law Breaking always takes a while to change the paperwork
Actually they were astounded that a US government agency could allow this to happen or partake in such actions.

I don't know what happens south of the border but those cattle had to be legal to get across the Border. We have had vets lose accreditation because of foul ups with paper work or missing so very early pregnancys. The cattle and paper work have to be in order to get across the border. there is a $6,000 fine if you show up at the border before your paper work does. Unless those cattle had a reportable disease the CFIA has to do nothing more then confirm when and where they crossed into the USA .

 

[Econ101]

BMR--"the CFIA has to do nothing more then confirm when and where they crossed into the USA ."

In a timely manner, that would have helped a lot. If the producer could have received that information from Canada through the ear tag trace, a lot of this mess up and or his delayed check would have been straightened out sooner and we would all stop speculating and posturing on this issue.

 

[Sandhusker]

Apparently there were more than one transaction the cattle went through before the poor SD guy bought them. They came to the auction he bought them at from a direction other than north. Canada thus far has not given out tracking information it has on the cattle (the numbers were given to them by the USDA). They are claiming proprietary information. Maybe a legitimate claim, but makes you wonder.
Personally I think there is a scoundrel in this one south of the border. That doesn't mean somebody north didn't do something wrong, too. But it is almost definite that there was some deliberate law breaking going on here in the US and the USDA is dragging its feet. Law Breaking always takes a while to change the paperwork
Actually they were astounded that a US government agency could allow this to happen or partake in such actions.

I don't know what happens south of the border but those cattle had to be legal to get across the Border. We have had vets lose accreditation because of foul ups with paper work or missing so very early pregnancys. The cattle and paper work have to be in order to get across the border. there is a $6,000 fine if you show up at the border before your paper work does. Unless those cattle had a reportable disease the CFIA has to do nothing more then confirm when and where they crossed into the USA .

Then why coudn't Swift figure it out themselves? Why did it take USDA 47 days?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Apparently there were more than one transaction the cattle went through before the poor SD guy bought them. They came to the auction he bought them at from a direction other than north. Canada thus far has not given out tracking information it has on the cattle (the numbers were given to them by the USDA). They are claiming proprietary information. Maybe a legitimate claim, but makes you wonder.
Personally I think there is a scoundrel in this one south of the border. That doesn't mean somebody north didn't do something wrong, too. But it is almost definite that there was some deliberate law breaking going on here in the US and the USDA is dragging its feet. Law Breaking always takes a while to change the paperwork
Actually they were astounded that a US government agency could allow this to happen or partake in such actions.

I don't know what happens south of the border but those cattle had to be legal to get across the Border. We have had vets lose accreditation because of foul ups with paper work or missing so very early pregnancys. The cattle and paper work have to be in order to get across the border. there is a $6,000 fine if you show up at the border before your paper work does. Unless those cattle had a reportable disease the CFIA has to do nothing more then confirm when and where they crossed into the USA .

Then why coudn't Swift figure it out themselves? Why did it take USDA 47 days?

Yours and Econ's queation should be directed at the USDA and Swifts. Have you contacted the USDA? Either of you?