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USDA Couldn't Track Their Own Shadow!!!

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maybe usda, sdsga and r-calf should be given the chance to wrap this one up all on their own; show off their investigative skills and powers of deduction so to speak. might want to head on back out to the street and see what the latest word is. you kill me ot. the feeder is down there, the cattle were down there and according to lawyer fox the feeder knows where he bought them. sounds like you got a few leads you might want to pursue on your own. if there were tags purchased by a canadian in canada they would have to be registered at purchase and if there is a legitimate health issue cfia and ccia can start a trace but this sounds like an american scam so just go for it. when you come up with something that sounds more substantive than barroom gossip let us in on it.
 
don said:
maybe usda, sdsga and r-calf should be given the chance to wrap this one up all on their own; show off their investigative skills and powers of deduction so to speak. might want to head on back out to the street and see what the latest word is. you kill me ot. the feeder is down there, the cattle were down there and according to lawyer fox the feeder knows where he bought them. sounds like you got a few leads you might want to pursue on your own. if there were tags purchased by a canadian in canada they would have to be registered at purchase and if there is a legitimate health issue cfia and ccia can start a trace but this sounds like an american scam so just go for it. when you come up with something that sounds more substantive than barroom gossip let us in on it.
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don- What are your industry leaders telling its members? Are they telling you anything? Are they even checking with Canadian authorities on this?

You do have "industry leaders" don't you? In all those initial groups like ABP, CCA, SSGA, etc. etc...Don't they provide the membership with daily happenings of issues that could effect your markets?
 
canada doesn't need to be involved in this unless the usa can come up with a reasonable suspicion of a health issue. this is on your side of the line. if those are/were canadian cattle, prove it and come up with a reasonable argument as to why they were a health risk to the american cattle or population. i think you got nothing and it's just hardening of the arteries that keeps you at this.
 
Sounds like the R-calfers are running scared............time to put the bull sh#t machine in motion and create some hysteria. Too bad it doesn't play beyond the small circle that frequent the coffee shop and barrooms.............. Kinda proves that you don't have ANY kind of animal traceback when nobody seems to know how the feeders got to the sale barn.........makes you wonder if the evidence might incriminate somebody from the LMA!!
 
mwj said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam- Even bank/ financial/ telephone/ personal/ medical records are available with a search warrent or investigative subpeona when investigating a crime...Even the President of the United States is not above subpeona power- that was part of the fallacy of the NAIS proposal....
In the US a crime has been committed- also to us BSE is a "health risk" and poses a danger in not knowing how many more cattle may be involved.... I know Canadians would rather stick their head in the sand about BSE and think its not....

Thats the fallacy of this free trade with NAFTA- we are two seperate countries with two seperate sets of values and laws....This has been shown many times with Canada's harboring of Draft Dodgers and murder suspects...
Before we go expanding these BSE rules we need to find out if Canada is actually committed to working with us on protecting the US consumer and cattle herd.....And it appears so far they aren't....
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Has anyone made an official request for help from the canadian gov.? Maybe you could just give us the name of that poor feeder who was wronged and we could help him start a search for answers! You wouldn't mind if a little confidential info. was passed out since it is a health threat to ALL us poor Americans wood you? Do the proper thing OT and give us his name so we can help him out since the USDA has refused to help :roll:
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Oldtimer am I going to have to move to Canada to get an answer from you??????? :shock: Are you going to get that feeders name for us so we can help? This is a matter of the health of the US population and I may die before this gets solved. With your extensive group of members in your favorite local cattle asosiation someone has to have the name of this poor wronged soul. Maybe we could have a raffle on a load of offel to help him get some of his money back. I hate to think that you would not do your best to help a fellow AMERICAN cattle man get his hard earned income back!
 
Oldtimer said:
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Yep you're right Bill ...

Lone star Dick has this case all wrapped up even though he isn't part of the investigation. Any minute now he and Mr Fox will be providing the names of the American feeder, auction ring, livestock inspector, trucker and consignor because they have signed a waiver of privacy and have no idea whats happening and would cooperate.
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And I suppose you and Bill just want to stick your heads in the sand and not know anything-- seems like that has become the Canuck answer to everything :roll:

Hopefully Congress and the media will make the USDA come up with some info- don't need names or anything- just some particulars on how such a thing could occur- and how they plan to correct it...Hopefully they have all the answers and its a simple mistake and easily corrected flaw-- but thats the problem with government organizations when they aren't open and transparent.... And USDA's past record has not helped lead to a feeling of trust with them......

But over a month-- and like I said, word on the street is that Canada refuses to cooperate :roll: ... Not good for someone trying to expand their exports....Seems to me like some Canadian supposed "leaders in the cattle industry" would be putting out something to the contrary if this is wrong........
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Well Oldtimer I'm in Regina tonight and will be seeing the General Manager of the CCIA in Friday so I'll ask her IF there was ever a request on 7 tags for you. :wink:
 
Tam- While you're there check on the border crossing protocol and procedures- and if USDA is even involved.... I was picking up info today that the USDA is again writing rules and regulations and then feeling they aren't important enough to enforce...

That some of these cattle coming across may not be being brand inspected or ID inspected by USDA employees or US brand inspectors--- that they are certified by a Canadian vet, loaded on the truck sealed and never looked at again until they reach destination point in the US-- and that they are unloaded and if number of animals match the manifest- nothing more is done...Cattle being unloaded during the middle of the night when you can't even inspect them.....No brand inspection- no verification of tag numbers by USDA in Canada before sealing ....

It also sounds like NCBA has made some complaints to USDA in the past about their laxity involved with inspections/oversight without much results...
 
So what's the latest word around the campfire on this story Oldtimer? Did these cattle have a "CAN" brand or not? Who hauled them to what sale barn and where??? What packing plant did they end up at? Who did the "independant SD feeder" buy them from???
I've been pretty busy so haven't had a chance to do much research on this. Please let us know the facts as they become available.... and maybe pass them along to your Congressman at the same time. :wink: :D
 
Tim I took a few minutes to check the SD brand laws and I found out why OT has been so closmouthed about it :shock: If the feeder in question was west of the mo. river the cattle were required to be brand inspected BEFORE they were shipped out of the area to be slaughtered! This inspection is by the brand board of the state or a designated agent of the Southdakota state stock growers assn. Nowhere does it say anything about the USDA inspecting brands :roll:
 
mwj said:
Tim I took a few minutes to check the SD brand laws and I found out why OT has been so closmouthed about it :shock: If the feeder in question was west of the mo. river the cattle were required to be brand inspected BEFORE they were shipped out of the area to be slaughtered! This inspection is by the brand board of the state or a designated agent of the Southdakota state stock growers assn. Nowhere does it say anything about the USDA inspecting brands :roll:
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mwj- Do you know if the feeder was west river? Or the stock yards? I hadn't heard that yet...In fact I hadn't heard that it had been verified they had been branded....

It appears that our new "open and transparent" USDA is not releasing any info about this- which with USDA's past history is not adding to their credibility.....

Was there brands?- or did a Canadian inspector overlook the lack of them...From what I was able to learn yesterday the Canadian authorities are completely in charge of the inspection prior to sealing the trucks...And that the USDA has been extremely lax in its receiving inspections, which the US cattle groups have complained about...Since Canada is involved in the initial inspection process, I would think Canada would be wanting to look into it from their side too...

But the whole point of the matter is their are apparently flaws and loopholes in the system--on one side of the border or the other- or both-- which US cattlemen are now questioning USDA's ability or effort to identify and keep track of incoming US cattle after they get to the states- which was the main concern with both R-CALF and NCBA ( all cattlemen) before....Especially right now when they have proposed to greatly expand the rule and bring in long term higher risk cattle to the US herd as seedstock..... I think many remember what a farce the old feeder program was- when the Canadian feeder heifers were ending up in US cow herds and the US feeder heifers were ending up in the Canadian cow herds...(EH- Tam :wink: :lol: )

USDA's failure to be open and transparent like they promised and trying to keep this secret for over a month is also raising questions about USDA's true committment to the program and credibility....
 
OT you are the one that gave a fuzzy location. My point is that the USDA is not involved in brand inspection . The law says the west of the river cattle have to be inspected when they leave the area wether they are branded or not! IF they are west river cattle and were NOT inspected the shipper broke a STATE LAW. One of the inspecting agencies could be the SDSGA which the shipper is a member of. If you would just give us the guys name we could all jump in and help him!
 
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OT you are the one that gave a fuzzy location. My point is that the USDA is not involved in brand inspection . The law says the west of the river cattle have to be inspected when they leave the area wether they are branded or not! IF they are west river cattle and were NOT inspected the shipper broke a STATE LAW. One of the inspecting agencies could be the SDSGA which the shipper is a member of. If you would just give us the guys name we could all jump in and help him!
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Ask your USDA- they are the ones that don't seem to want any info on this made public.....
 
Oldtimer said:
mwj said:
OT you are the one that gave a fuzzy location. My point is that the USDA is not involved in brand inspection . The law says the west of the river cattle have to be inspected when they leave the area wether they are branded or not! IF they are west river cattle and were NOT inspected the shipper broke a STATE LAW. One of the inspecting agencies could be the SDSGA which the shipper is a member of. If you would just give us the guys name we could all jump in and help him!
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Ask your USDA- they are the ones that don't seem to want any info on this made public.....
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He is a member of the SDSGA and they are in charge of the cattle ID,why do you try to blame it on the USDA :roll: The sdsga is a very vocal oponent of mandatory ID so they are prob. not woried at all about traceback for there poor member. I think that they WOULD NOT want the Canadian system to come to his aide because they think ID is evil :shock: Come on OT I am sure you have some contacts down at the bar or sherifs office that have contacts in SD that will still speak to them. I heard a rumor at the barber shop that these calves came in thru Montana. I know he is a reliable source because he told me what the cash price on corn was.
 
"The cattle are supposed to enter the U.S. in sealed trucks and be transported directly to an identified feedlot. They are then to remain in the identified feedlot until they are hauled to a slaughter plant in a sealed truck," he said. "The fact that these calves showed up at a salebarn in South Dakota, were allowed to intermingle with U.S. cattle, and were not represented as Canadian cattle, indicates that USDA is not monitoring the very system it created.

USDA monitors this system........
 
OT YOU indicated at least a couple of times in this thread that these cattle WERE NOT branded. That being a FACT because YOU said it means the cattle did nit cross the border legally. My man that said they were RUSTLED in Canada and smugled thru Montana very well be on the best track 8) Maybe he should call your local cop shop and let them in on the plan. I sure hope it is not one of your neighbors involved :wink:
 
mwj said:
OT YOU indicated at least a couple of times in this thread that these cattle WERE NOT branded. That being a FACT because YOU said it means the cattle did nit cross the border legally. My man that said they were RUSTLED in Canada and smugled thru Montana very well be on the best track 8) Maybe he should call your local cop shop and let them in on the plan. I sure hope it is not one of your neighbors involved :wink:
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:roll: You been into too much of that Illinois ditch weed again....
 
Oldtimer said:
mwj said:
OT YOU indicated at least a couple of times in this thread that these cattle WERE NOT branded. That being a FACT because YOU said it means the cattle did nit cross the border legally. My man that said they were RUSTLED in Canada and smugled thru Montana very well be on the best track 8) Maybe he should call your local cop shop and let them in on the plan. I sure hope it is not one of your neighbors involved :wink:
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:roll: You been into too much of that Illinois ditch weed again....
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Whats the matter OT maybe I have been colecting info at the local watering hole which seems to be a very popular source for your info. Do you have any info. that proves my ''source'' wrong on the Montana conection. With all the years you spent in the top ranks of law enforcement you should be well aware of the value of a good ''source'' :wink:
 
Just a tiny bit of info I gleaned tonite-- the cattle were sold to the slaughter plant- and this "investigation" has been going on since Nov. 29th, 2006.....The cattle had Canadian bar code tags with 9 digit numbers on them....And the USDA has affirmed that there is no violation on the part of the SD producer........
 
Oldtimer said:
Just a tiny bit of info I gleaned tonite-- the cattle were sold to the slaughter plant- and this "investigation" has been going on since Nov. 29th, 2006.....The cattle had Canadian bar code tags with 9 digit numbers on them....And the USDA has affirmed that there is no violation on the part of the SD producer........
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So why were they illegal Canadian cattle? If the fellow that bought them was cleared . Did the auction do any wrong? Who collected the check for those cattle? Did a feedlot that imported them sell them or were they stolen cattle? Come on OT we want to know. Follow that paper trail. Oh yea that paper trail isn't the one when the TP gets caught in your pants coming out of the can. :roll:
 
Oldtimer said:
Just a tiny bit of info I gleaned tonite-- the cattle were sold to the slaughter plant- and this "investigation" has been going on since Nov. 29th, 2006.....The cattle had Canadian bar code tags with 9 digit numbers on them....And the USDA has affirmed that there is no violation on the part of the SD producer........
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If they were west river cattle and were not inspected before they were shipped to slaughter the feeder most definatley broke the law. Did they tell you who the brand inspectors was OT. Was it the SDSGA THEY ARE GETTING RICH ON THAT 70CENT BRAND INSPECTION FEE AND THEY COULD BE PASSING THAT MONEY ALONG TO R-CALF. Do you think all there members have been made aware of that :shock:
 

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