Denny wrote: I have had one cow die here in the last 2 years and she was 3 years old and fell through the ice.
Had one this fall born in 99 I hit her with a 4-wheeler and broke her leg so I put her in the deep freeze. You have a problem with our USDA and you put the blame on the producer.
Do you get paid for testing the cows who pays for the test?
You think you know everything about us I bet there are many north of the 49th that have a shovel in hand as you claim we ALL do when I have a cow die the rendering company picks her up at a cost to me of $20.00
Dont group us all as dishonest as that goes both ways...
Mike said:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18124400.300
I cannot help but think that the USDA has perpretrated a grand scheme to brush BSE under the table and out of the limelight by controlling the information and the media. Tam and other Canadian's have pointed out on several occasions that testing in the USA has been less than adequate at best with an obvious lack of testing 4-D's and CNS cases. But once beef gets to the table it can't be tested. It's gone.
The link above shows that the USDA approved the Bio-Rad test KNOWING full well the false positives that occur using them - thus creating a numbing effect that will come in handy when we have a positive case in the future. There is no such thing as an "inconclusive" using the Prionics tests along with IHC. So why the Bio-Rad?
Along with the FDA's report on the feed ban inconsistencies, the Texas cow, the Washington cow fiasco, and the last "inconclusive" which by all measures could have been wrong in only 1 out of 2000 chances I fear we have been set up for a big fall. I pray I am wrong.
Did they keep Creekstone from testing so they could control all aspects of BSE testing and keep the results secret? Did they fall from 30 months to 20 on Japan beef because they were right? Why weren't we testing more 4-D's?
It's obvious Japan don't trust us and I can see why.
Now Denny I wanted you to reread the post that started this thread it was not me it was Mike, a US rancher, that titled this USDA COVERUP Yes I have been, like Mike said, pointing it out that the USDA's testing is not doing what it is suppose to as the USDA is testing the wrong catagory of cattle. It is his seeing that what I and other Canadians have been saying is true that caused this post. I just posted to him as he said he would test so many the test companies would have a hard time supplying enough kits. The OIE say you can do a one year sample testing of a certain catagory cattle and know the true prevalance of BSE in your herd but that catagory is not slaughter plant cattle, it's the 4D's. And by Mikes post it looks as if he is wondering why the USDA isn't testing them like they should and I think he sees this as maybe why Japan doesn't trust the US. And I agree with him.
Canadian ranchers do not get paid to test their 4D's. We in Sask. get $75 dollar to cover the cost of disposing of the animal properly. The CFIA pays for the actual test just like the USDA. If healthy Canadian cull cattle prices were as high as the US cull cattle prices we most likely won't be getting the $75 as we would be expected to pay the cost out of our own pocket. When the prices for cull cattle tanked because of lack of slaughter capacity the government decided to help with a cost of disposal of the test sample animals so the rancher didn't take another hit. And I dare say if the US ranchers were getting the same price for their cull cattle, the US government would be handing out some type of disaster payment to you.
And Yes there are some Canadian ranchers that aren't turning over their dead but with the ones that are the CFIA haven't had to turn to our slaughter plants to collect test sample as we turned over 23550 when our quota was 8000. By what I hear we do have a good start on the 30000 for this year which doesn't include any of the 15550 head over tested from last year.
You say "Dont group us all as dishonest as that goes both ways..." but just the post before you said
"If you show no respect why should we have any for you one thing for sure is YOU Canadians ALL have the ANTI USA attitude.If we are so damn bad dont ship anything here sure we need these products but not as bad as you need to sell them.An old saying "Dont bite the hand that feeds you"
Who was lumping who Denny? I said US rancher should make the USDA test the recommended cattle so you know and can get pass the doubts surrounding your industry, and you said ALL Canadians have a Anti USA attitude.
Again it was Mike's realizing that some of us Canadians have been telling the truth about the USDA testing, that caused this thread.
You are right I don't respect people that support R-CALF and the lies they spread and those people that believe that rest of the world should just take your word for it that you don't have BSE in the US. Even though we know the facts surrounding the trade in cattle and feed and the fact the the USDA is not testing the recommended catagory of cattle to prove one way or the other. But I'm only one Canadian that was raised in the US and I don't consider myself Anti USA just because I don't like some of the things I see my native country doing. But if pointing them out and saying I think the US should clean up their act before it is to late makes me one in your eyes Then I guess there is probably alot of other that are Anti USA and some could be still living in the US.
