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USFW agent under fire in South Dakota

SJ I did not miss the point, I think you kind of did from my last post. The meaning behind my last post was, if everyone else can learn to live with, farm machinery, cattle moving ETC. creating at times road hazards, here it comes pay attention: Why cant people learn to get along with road hunting for 3 months? There has never been one incident reported where a road hunter has shot someone or themselves. There are very few accidents that have been caused by road hunters. My point being that we live everyday in apprehension when you come over a hill on a county road. That there may be a hazard ahead, drive defensively.
Road hunting has NOTHING to do if your a good hunter or not, to say so comes from ignorance. Road hunting is an oppertunity for those who choose to do it, a free place to hunt. It is a safe way to hunt if done correctly, the rub comes again from commercialization of a natural resource. Where the paid hunters and commercial operators get mad when you walk what they perceive to be their ditch and shoot what they perceive to be their bird. and you do not have to pay anyone....IT IS GREAT TO LIVE IN SOUTH DAKOTA
 
BradS you are not dishonorable if you hunt a road ditch, fish from the right of way or trap from the right of way if it is legal and you abide by the laws set fourth by your state![/b]
 
Happy Go Lucky, I don't think legal necessary defines honorable. If the law allows road hunting, then you're legal, but disreguard for others is dishonorable. THe list of legal practices that are nontheless dishonorable doesn't end with road hunters or greedy corporations.
 
Happy go lucky said:
I also don't think trapping should be against the law in road ditches either, as a younger man I ran a nice road line for coons,mink,beaver and muskrat. Helping the farmers out with corn eating coons/beaver and keeping the muskrats from getting into stock dams and making them leak.
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I don't agree with that totaly. I have seen konda bear traps mame a couple of very good hunting dogs.

I wouldn't mind if you put your traps by a culvert and MARKED them.

I don't agree with the idea of any general person being able to hang a trap on MY fence without my consent or knowledge.
 
Brad S said:
Say again, is sombody equating using roadways for transport and road hunting? Really? I guess up is down and black is white. Honestly, road hunting is much more analagous to creating a hobo camp on the road, except the road hunting is more dangerous.

Like Happy (i think) said, good hunters don't need to road hunt because of established credentials as an honorable person, and the converse is my experiance - if one must road hunt they must be dishonorable.
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Once last time, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE HERITAGE OF SD ROAD HUNTING???

I'm taking these repeated babblings of yours as a no. :roll:

All pheasants need grit for their gizard, therefore all pheasants find gravel ROADS as the best source. Hence if you drive the roads 2 hours before sunset, you will undoubtfully see a handful of pheasants.

Is this dishonorable?

I suppose it would be just as dishonorable as looking for deer in a shelterbelt they frequently use. :!:

I suppose it would be just as dishonorable as shooting a coyote while driving thru your pasture checking your cattle. :!:

I suppose it would be just as dishonorable as going to "Hy-vee" or "Sunshine" to get grocery's. :!: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
by heritage, you mean the centuries old practice of hunting chinese birds?

Your shooting a coyote/deer analogy would fit better if the shooter was shooting on someone else's property with insufficient regard for other's safety.

Pretty good humor, heritage hunting chinese birds.
 
Brad S I for one am glad you live in Neb. Our fore fathers have hunted the roads and section lines since the white man came to this part of America. The legality of it has been tested many times in the Supreme Court. It is too bad you are so narrow minded that you cannot accept this style of hunting. I for one will fight to keep road hunting for small game until I pass, it is the only place some of us have to hunt or choose to hunt.
 
Pjoe, to mark traps would be an ideal scenario for trap theft! To mark all road side sets would make trap theives in a hurray. Coni Bear traps can be tricky and people must relize that setting coni bears to close to dwellings is not a safe practice.

I have let landowners know that I'm setting in the ditch by their houses and what I'm setting, some didn't like it, but I follow the law and it works out well. Most states mandate you set back 660 ft or more from dwellings etc, and some mandate no conibears/snares durring certain times of the year, some states make it illegal for a chain,trap or snare to touch any fence when fully extended Iowa does this. As long as you use your head and be honest with most people not many problems.

What I hate are the people that think they own the ditch or even other private lands and think their pets should be allowed to free roam and always the trappers in the wrong in their minds. No other user group takes it as hard as trappers and a high majority are good people, but secrative due to years past with high fur prices and much theiveing that took place. There is room for all, as long as all groups use their heads and are willing to work with others. It used to be the coon hunters versus the coon trappers, I did both and saw nothing wrong from either side, but high dollar coon pelts and greed made many fights for 2 user groups that take it hard from animals rights nuts.

Strength in numbers, instead of bickering over the coons.

Trapper education is the key to preserving trapping for the future as a sport and recreation.
 
Happy go lucky said:
Pjoe, to mark traps would be an ideal scenario for trap theft! To mark all road side sets would make trap theives in a hurray. Coni Bear traps can be tricky and people must relize that setting coni bears to close to dwellings is not a safe practice.

I have let landowners know that I'm setting in the ditch by their houses and what I'm setting, some didn't like it, but I follow the law and it works out well. Most states mandate you set back 660 ft or more from dwellings etc, and some mandate no conibears/snares durring certain times of the year, some states make it illegal for a chain,trap or snare to touch any fence when fully extended Iowa does this. As long as you use your head and be honest with most people not many problems.

What I hate are the people that think they own the ditch or even other private lands and think their pets should be allowed to free roam and always the trappers in the wrong in their minds. No other user group takes it as hard as trappers and a high majority are good people, but secrative due to years past with high fur prices and much theiveing that took place. There is room for all, as long as all groups use their heads and are willing to work with others. It used to be the coon hunters versus the coon trappers, I did both and saw nothing wrong from either side, but high dollar coon pelts and greed made many fights for 2 user groups that take it hard from animals rights nuts.

Strength in numbers, instead of bickering over the coons.

Trapper education is the key to preserving trapping for the future as a sport and recreation.
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I agree with you, I have no problem if people ask me and set snares.

I don't like it when they do it without telling a person. I know I can't do anything about it, but they could have the coutesy to tell a guy.

What really pisses me off is the ones who put condi bear traps in the ditches with out marking or telling any one. Then the unsuspecting let their dog out because you see a rooster on the road, and bam, Your dog is now worthless! I think you should have to mark the condi bear ones for sure. The snares and others don't inflict so much harm.
 
Brad S said:
by heritage, you mean the centuries old practice of hunting chinese birds?

Your shooting a coyote/deer analogy would fit better if the shooter was shooting on someone else's property with insufficient regard for other's safety.

Pretty good humor, heritage hunting chinese birds.
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You DON"T and NEVER will get it will you?

You don't own the road in the country or sidewalk in the city. You NEVER have and NEVER will. You bought that piece of land with the easment knowing that it was part of the deal. Build a bridge and get over it you small minded little person.

If you want it changed go to you own state legislature and ask them to stop all traffic on all the roads it takes to get to your place. Then you can gravel, maintain, and clear the snow all by your self. Let me know when they quit laughing at you!
 
Brad S isn't the one who doesn't "get it", but you guys keep it up. The "sportsmen" posting on here provide pretty good entertainment for a bunch of ranchers. We hope you keep expressing how you truly feel! Don't mind us if you see us smiling. :D
 
This was in the news today. Be fun to be a mouse in the corner:

Meeting held to discuss federal game warden
Story by: The Associated Press.

PIERRE, S.D. - Two state officials met yesterday with the head of an investigation unit looking into complaints from sportsmen about a federal game warden based in Pierre. Governor's chief of staff Rob Skjonsberg and Game, Fish and Parks Secretary Jeff Vonk met with the head of the US Fish and Wildlife Services Professional Responsibility Unit. Statements and petitions have been gathered asking that Robert Prieksat be reassigned because of the way he deals with hunters and anglers.
 
Liberty Belle said:
Brad S isn't the one who doesn't "get it", but you guys keep it up. The "sportsmen" posting on here provide pretty good entertainment for a bunch of ranchers. We hope you keep expressing how you truly feel! Don't mind us if you see us smiling. :D
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And could you explain to me why it is You think you own a road? Did you pay to put all the gravel down? Around here, the county and township pay for everything that happens to that road. Are you going to pay the city guy for walking on his side walk then??? Probably not huh? I bet I can guess why to. "He's not a rancher" Pretty close on that???

You're just as much a "sportsmen" as me LB. And I am just as much a rancher as you. Take a look around, just because I don't follow you "hair" brain ideas, doesn't mean I'm in the wrong. I would think it was made pretty obvious to you this spring, that I'm not the one in the minority of thinking!

You never did answer my other question. I'll post it again so you can dodge it one more time.

P Joe said:
YOU claim you have a good relationship with you GFP officer. How can that be? If you don't allow hunting, and do not hunt,(maybe not buy licenses would be more applicable here ) then in what situation have you ever had to deal with them? That answer I am TRUELY interested in.
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PS: I could really give 2 cents if you ever opened your land up to hunting again. You'll die, or sell out to the highest bidder and it will be hunted again. Maybe not in my lifetime, but that's what will happen. And It just makes a good breeding ground and safe haven to make bigger racks. :D I can understand why you probably did get dumped on by some hunters. Can't say I really blame them. I bet you're one of those "Locked Out" ranchers that calls the GFP to rid the beavers and other unwanted pests. You always get back what you give LB, just remember that! :D
 
Publichunter---I think I understood you quite well, the bird or the hunt is more important than any risk(public safety)? But what I don't understand is why we allow hunting the ditch when there are places available to hunt other than the ditch? Was road hunting part of the easement contract?
I also did some calling and found the biggest complaint the property owners have with road hunting, is the hunter bringing kids out as blockers(flushing the birds back to the ditch) yet whenever they are questioned they claim they are retrieving? To me it is teaching kids to lie and hunt illegally. You are right there is a rub but probably no different than if someone was trespassing on your property. Now before you all get everything in a bunch and take offense to my opinion, remember it is just my opinion. If you feel this is a must and are willing to take responsibility for whatever you may cause because of your want (not necessity), so be it. It is just not for me.

I wouldn't think of having my bird watching group camp (bird watchers with binoculars) in front of your house because it is free and it belongs to all. Parking their campers on both sides of the street leaving only your driveways open, with their kids, bikes, balls and pets (when there are campgrounds available). One reason would be the risk of some child being run over with that kind of congestion. Two-- because I respect the privacy of your neighborhood and I also respect your property.
 
You can quit laughing already. The law in Kansas is no roadhunting without written permiission from both sides of the road.

There really is something admirable about SD not needing laws that other states have, but for this to continue, people need to be respectful and courteous of others. Road hunting isn't respectful or courteous.

I wonder if the atty general of SD has ever considered the state's liability when it allows a dangerous practice to be legal. No doubt the state will say the road is the property of the adjacent landowners - they have liability. I GUARANDAMNTEE no SD legislature is going to pass legislation holding adjacent landowners harmless in the event of an accident involving legal road hunting and legal road driving.
 
First Brad, You can look at all the hunting accidents that occur in SD. It is printed yearly. To tell you the truth, i dont remember seeing any that occured during road hunting. Most all (pheasant anyway) occur when there are large partys walking areas and people dont know where each and every one is at and someone shoots someone else.

The liable issue is no different than on Public Hunting Areas.
 
You're just as much a "sportsmen" as me LB. And I am just as much a rancher as you. Take a look around, just because I don't follow you "hair" brain ideas, doesn't mean I'm in the wrong. I would think it was made pretty obvious to you this spring, that I'm not the one in the minority of thinking!
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No P Joe, I'm not a "sportsmen". First thing – I'm the wrong gender and I haven't hunted game in years.

Second – I doubt very much if you are as much a rancher as I am or we wouldn't be having this discussion. :cboy:

You never did answer my other question. I'll post it again so you can dodge it one more time.
P Joe wrote:

YOU claim you have a good relationship with you GFP officer. How can that be? If you don't allow hunting, and do not hunt,(maybe not buy licenses would be more applicable here ) then in what situation have you ever had to deal with them? That answer I am TRUELY interested in.
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Does one have to allow hunting to have a good relationship with your local conservation officer? I don't, but I'm perfectly capable of sitting down over a cup of coffee with either of our new COs and having a good conversation. These kids, and they are both kids, are really nice guys. One of them had a major health problem this spring and I'm on his call list to take him to the doctor if he gets in trouble again. He has a life-threatening allergy and I give him plenty of free motherly medical advice for that.

The other one is going to come out here to have my oldest son teach him to steer wrestle at the unofficial bull dogging school these guys have every Tuesday night all summer.

Neither of these guys will come driving on my land without my permission, but the lockout will continue here until we have some protection under the law from rogue GF&P and USFW employees like the ones that caused these problems. It's the principle of the thing, but I doubt you understand much about principle.

PS: I could really give 2 cents if you ever opened your land up to hunting again. You'll die, or sell out to the highest bidder and it will be hunted again. Maybe not in my lifetime, but that's what will happen. And It just makes a good breeding ground and safe haven to make bigger racks. I can understand why you probably did get dumped on by some hunters. Can't say I really blame them.
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Did I say I'd been dumped on by hunters? No. I have said numerous times that our problems were not with hunters. Can't you read?

It's amazing to me how much having my land locked to hunters to prevent abuse by GF&P bugs you!!

Yes, the racks on the bucks here are getting pretty darn impressive after four years of being locked out. The big bucks seem to enjoy lying up in the rocks on the butte near the highway and letting the orange hats look at them when they drive by during hunting season. We kind of get a kick out of it too.
I bet you're one of those "Locked Out" ranchers that calls the GFP to rid the beavers and other unwanted pests. You always get back what you give LB, just remember that!
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No, we don't call GF&P to take care of our pest problems for us. GF&P IS the pest problem. We take care of any four legged varmint problems ourselves with the help of the predator control pilots we tax ourselves to hire.
 
LB: wrote We take care of any four legged varmint problems ourselves with the help of the predator control pilots we tax ourselves to hire.

LB is 100% of your pilot fees from county/head tax? Yes /No. Do you recieve funds from your game dept? Yes/No. to offset cost?

Again you try and portray 1 thing and only give slight truth, unless the western states have changed funding in the last few years? You see once again there is more information on the internet than you give people credit for. :shock:
 

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