Van Dyke? Swift ?

[Anonymous]

Oldtimer wrote-



Following that "logic", if I stole one of your cows and sold her, and you niether noticed her missing or reported it, no theft occured??
Is that what you are saying, Detective? :???:

If I didn't ever know about it and report it and only you (the thief) knew about it- that would be true...As far as the law is concerned you have to have a victim to prosecute a crime...

Sometimes law enforcement learn of the theft before the victim, when they find IDed objects and contact the owner...
That is the reason most around here brand so that those missing cattle will show up-and can't be sold in someone elses name-- but yes it happens...There have been times we've had an idea that some no brand baby calf brought to the ring didn't belong to the person selling it-- but never had anybody report a missing one that it could be matched to....

Sooooooo, In the case of these CDN cattle showing up at a SD salebarn, it would be reasonable to suspect that a crime has been committed...... correct???

Yep- a FEDERAL crime...Smuggling across International borders and the border quarantine rules are FEDERAL crimes...Just because they have Canadian eartags wouldn't have to mean they are stolen....A Canadian could have hauled them into SD to make an extra buck-- sold them to a buddy or anyone private treaty- who hauled them to the SD stockyard and sold them... Nothing was stolen- no theft....Definitely no evidence they are stolen...

Could have been stolen in Canada- but no evidence of that, that I've seen...
Thats where Canada should have done/be doing a complete trace on the ID numbers of ALL the Canadian tags that Swift killed that day (since they claim they all got mixed up)- to determine if someone was missing these animals from up north.....
But knowing how some of these cross international investigations go- it probably took getting permission from the President to ask the Prime Minister to ask for cooperation :roll:

 

[TimH]

If I didn't ever know about it and report it and only you (the thief) knew about it- that would be true...As far as the law is concerned you have to have a victim to prosecute a crime...

Sometimes law enforcement learn of the theft before the victim, when they find IDed objects and contact the owner...
That is the reason most around here brand so that those missing cattle will show up-and can't be sold in someone elses name-- but yes it happens...There have been times we've had an idea that some no brand baby calf brought to the ring didn't belong to the person selling it-- but never had anybody report a missing one that it could be matched to....

Sooooooo, In the case of these CDN cattle showing up at a SD salebarn, it would be reasonable to suspect that a crime has been committed...... correct???

Yep- a FEDERAL crime...Smuggling across International borders and the border quarantine rules are FEDERAL crimes...Just because they have Canadian eartags wouldn't have to mean they are stolen....A Canadian could have hauled them into SD to make an extra buck-- sold them to a buddy or anyone private treaty- who hauled them to the SD stockyard and sold them... Nothing was stolen- no theft....Definitely no evidence they are stolen...
Could have been stolen in Canada- but no evidence of that, that I've seen...
Thats where Canada should have done/be doing a complete trace on the ID numbers of ALL the Canadian tags that Swift killed that day (since they claim they all got mixed up)- to determine if someone was missing these animals from up north.....
But knowing how some of these cross international investigations go- it probably took getting permission from the President to ask the Prime Minister to ask for cooperation :roll:

Someone would have went to all that risk and expense for 7 head , and LEFT THE TAGS IN THEIR EARS?????
Ya.Ok Oldtimer. :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Sooooooo, In the case of these CDN cattle showing up at a SD salebarn, it would be reasonable to suspect that a crime has been committed...... correct???

Yep- a FEDERAL crime...Smuggling across International borders and the border quarantine rules are FEDERAL crimes...Just because they have Canadian eartags wouldn't have to mean they are stolen....A Canadian could have hauled them into SD to make an extra buck-- sold them to a buddy or anyone private treaty- who hauled them to the SD stockyard and sold them... Nothing was stolen- no theft....Definitely no evidence they are stolen...
Could have been stolen in Canada- but no evidence of that, that I've seen...
Thats where Canada should have done/be doing a complete trace on the ID numbers of ALL the Canadian tags that Swift killed that day (since they claim they all got mixed up)- to determine if someone was missing these animals from up north.....
But knowing how some of these cross international investigations go- it probably took getting permission from the President to ask the Prime Minister to ask for cooperation :roll:

Someone would have went to all that risk and expense for 7 head , and LEFT THE TAGS IN THEIR EARS?????
Ya.Ok Oldtimer. :roll:

I never said Canuck crooks were smart-- Look at Big Muddy- he steals hogs of all things... :roll: :shock: :wink: :lol:

 

[Ben Roberts]

It's my understanding that the calves in question, were not CAN branded, I have seen hunderds of Canadian cattle in feed-lots, everyone carrying the CAN brand. Just called a friend, that feeds alot of Canadian cattle, and he tells me that everyone that he has ever seen is branded.

There are too many questions, that need to be addressed, and until they are, we should not be pointing a finger. Please, lets try to solve this, and quit digging up old bones.

Ben Roberts

 

[cowsense]

Another thing to consider is that all Canadian feeder animals must be branded, carry a CFIA RFID tag and must be fed in specific pens of
Canadian cattle only and not be co-mingled. I would presume that all these cattle would have to be accounted for both coming in and going out to slaughter. I would imagine all death losses would have to be accounted for as well. The only record of these numbers crossing the border is on the sealed load of fats consigned to Swift. The Canadian investigation is conclusive and final that these cattle could never have been in the states as feeder calves! It is up to Van Dyke's and their supporters to provide a traceback of their feeder purchases and prove their claim. So far there has been nothing to substantiate any kind of claim.

 

[Tam]

I agree wholeheartedly "Brother" Ben. This place has become an embarassingly uncivil place to gain knowledge..........................

But with some on here calling each other "Liars", "SOB's" and such, it's no wonder it has denigrated to this level......... :???: :???:

I sometimes wonder what age are the people on the other end of these posts.............................................

MIKE How old are you when you post "Take a MIDOL"? :?

Old enough to know you need one. :lol:

Really mature Mike Really Mature. :roll:

 

[Tam]

Yep- a FEDERAL crime...Smuggling across International borders and the border quarantine rules are FEDERAL crimes...Just because they have Canadian eartags wouldn't have to mean they are stolen....A Canadian could have hauled them into SD to make an extra buck-- sold them to a buddy or anyone private treaty- who hauled them to the SD stockyard and sold them... Nothing was stolen- no theft....Definitely no evidence they are stolen...
Could have been stolen in Canada- but no evidence of that, that I've seen...
Thats where Canada should have done/be doing a complete trace on the ID numbers of ALL the Canadian tags that Swift killed that day (since they claim they all got mixed up)- to determine if someone was missing these animals from up north.....
But knowing how some of these cross international investigations go- it probably took getting permission from the President to ask the Prime Minister to ask for cooperation :roll:

Someone would have went to all that risk and expense for 7 head , and LEFT THE TAGS IN THEIR EARS?????
Ya.Ok Oldtimer. :roll:

I never said Canuck crooks were smart-- Look at Big Muddy- he steals hogs of all things... :roll: :shock: :wink: :lol:

As an EX-Deputy Dog do you recognized slanderous statements when you post one. As I believe this is a slanderous statement Oldtimer.

Big Muddy said they FOUND the pig, they CALLED around to the neighbors to see if someone had lost it. Then they CARED for the pig. Only to have a neighbor take claim to it once it was fed out.

How in the H**l does that bring you to conclude he stoled ANYTHING. :?

Is this another example of Justice Valley Country Style. :roll:

 

[Mike]

Tam wrote: "As an EX-Deputy Dog do you recognized slanderous statements when you post one. As I believe this is a slanderous statement Old Timer."

"How in the H**l does that bring you to conclude he stoled ANYTHING."



Would it also be slanderous to say your typing/spelling skills look like that of an uneducated 5th grader?

Couldn't help it Tam. You opened yourself wide open again. :lol: :lol:

Just kidding of course

 

[TimH]

It's my understanding that the calves in question, were not CAN branded, I have seen hunderds of Canadian cattle in feed-lots, everyone carrying the CAN brand. Just called a friend, that feeds alot of Canadian cattle, and he tells me that everyone that he has ever seen is branded.

There are too many questions, that need to be addressed, and until they are, we should not be pointing a finger. Please, lets try to solve this, and quit digging up old bones.

Ben Roberts

If indeed these cattle were NOT branded CAN, that eliminates the possibility that they were in the US LEGALLY. They were not stolen out of an approved feedlot or otherwise "lost track of".Period.
That leaves the possibility that they were smuggled and the smuggler was smart enough to get them across the border but too dumb to remove the eartags. Hard to believe.
If they were branded, one would have to believe that the staff at the sale barn and the Van Dykes either didn't see the brands(which would have been quite fresh on young cattle), or they were all unaware of what a CAN brand meant. Again, hard to believe.

Not pointing fingers. Just stating the obvious.

 

[Sandhusker]

When Swift found Canadian eartags, the next logical thing would be to look for the brand. They didn't mention it in anything that I've read.

 

[TimH]

When Swift found Canadian eartags, the next logical thing would be to look for the brand. They didn't mention it in anything that I've read.

If they were imported directly to Swift for immediate slaughter, as Swift contends, they would not be required to be branded.
If they were legally imported as feeders they were branded.

 

[Sandhusker]

When Swift found Canadian eartags, the next logical thing would be to look for the brand. They didn't mention it in anything that I've read.

If they were imported directly to Swift for immediate slaughter, as Swift contends, they would not be required to be branded.
If they were legally imported as feeders they were branded.

You sure about that?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

When Swift found Canadian eartags, the next logical thing would be to look for the brand. They didn't mention it in anything that I've read.

If they were imported directly to Swift for immediate slaughter, as Swift contends, they would not be required to be branded.
If they were legally imported as feeders they were branded.

You sure about that?

You mean you have been piping off on here and you don't know the Regulations? Geez what kind of a "Low Rent Scmuck" are you?

 

[TimH]

When Swift found Canadian eartags, the next logical thing would be to look for the brand. They didn't mention it in anything that I've read.

If they were imported directly to Swift for immediate slaughter, as Swift contends, they would not be required to be branded.
If they were legally imported as feeders they were branded.

You sure about that?

Yep.Pretty sure. You got anything that says different?

 

[Sandhusker]

That's SCHMUCK.

And I stand by what I said. Van Dyke came here on his own and offered to open up. The way some people here greeted him was shameful. Defend it if you must.

 

[Mike]

If they were imported directly to Swift for immediate slaughter, as Swift contends, they would not be required to be branded.
If they were legally imported as feeders they were branded.

You sure about that?

Yep.Pretty sure. You got anything that says different?

THE RULE:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/trade/CAN%20feeder_c-b_7-15.pdf

USDA is confident that the animal and public health measures that Canada has in place to prevent BSE, combined with existing U.S. domestic safeguards and additional safeguards provided in the final rule provide the utmost protections to U.S. consumers and livestock. The final rule provides the following additional requirements for live Canadian feeder cattle designed to ensure they are slaughtered before they reach 30 months of age:
• Feeder cattle must be permanently marked with a brand to identify the BSE minimal-risk region of origin before entering the United States. Feeder cattle exported from Canada will be branded with "C/\N;"
• Cattle must be individually identified with an ear tag before entering the United States. This ear tag allows the animal to be traced back to the premises of origin (birth herd);
• Information must be included on the cattle's animal health certification, relating to animal identification, origin, destination, and responsible parties;
• Cattle must be moved to feedlots in sealed containers and cannot go to more than one feedlot; and
• SRM's will be removed from Canadian cattle slaughtered in the United States in accordance with FSIS regulations

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

That's SCHMUCK.

And I stand by what I said. Van Dyke came here on his own and offered to open up. The way some people here greeted him was shameful. Defend it if you must.

Excuse me SCHMUCKHUSKER. Did you look up thse regulations yet?

 

[Tam]

Tam wrote: "As an EX-Deputy Dog do you recognized slanderous statements when you post one. As I believe this is a slanderous statement Old Timer."

"How in the H**l does that bring you to conclude he stoled ANYTHING."



Would it also be slanderous to say your typing/spelling skills look like that of an uneducated 5th grader?

Couldn't help it Tam. You opened yourself wide open again. :lol: :lol:

Just kidding of course

Mike while I'm off taking my MIDOL why don't you Grow the He*l up. Just kidding of course Not :roll:

 

[TimH]

You sure about that?

Yep.Pretty sure. You got anything that says different?

THE RULE:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/trade/CAN%20feeder_c-b_7-15.pdf

USDA is confident that the animal and public health measures that Canada has in place to prevent BSE, combined with existing U.S. domestic safeguards and additional safeguards provided in the final rule provide the utmost protections to U.S. consumers and livestock. The final rule provides the following additional requirements for live Canadian feeder cattle designed to ensure they are slaughtered before they reach 30 months of age:
• Feeder cattle must be permanently marked with a brand to identify the BSE minimal-risk region of origin before entering the United States. Feeder cattle exported from Canada will be branded with "C/\N;"
• Cattle must be individually identified with an ear tag before entering the United States. This ear tag allows the animal to be traced back to the premises of origin (birth herd);
• Information must be included on the cattle's animal health certification, relating to animal identification, origin, destination, and responsible parties;
• Cattle must be moved to feedlots in sealed containers and cannot go to more than one feedlot; and
• SRM's will be removed from Canadian cattle slaughtered in the United States in accordance with FSIS regulations

Thanks Mike, for posting the rules on feeders. Here is the one that pertains to immediate slaughter cattle......no mention of brands.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/trade/CAN%20slaughter7-15.pdf