Vertical integration coming soon to a packer near you

[Sandhusker]

SH, "I am very well aware of every facet of this industry."

SH, "First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim. ANOTHER BOLD FACED LIE FROM THE LYING KING! "


I guess he's aware but doesn't know. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

MRJ, this is your boy........ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Mike]

SH, "I am very well aware of every facet of this industry."

SH, "First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim. ANOTHER BOLD FACED LIE FROM THE LYING KING! "


I guess he's aware but doesn't know. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

MRJ, this is your boy........ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This should be under the "Credibility 101" thread.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandcheska: "I guess he's aware but doesn't know."

Did you think you had a contradiction? You did? Oh, that's so sweet!

Semantics! That's all you ever have. Nothing of substance EVER!

Let me help you out Little Sandcheska, I understand every facet of this industry as far as Cow/calf, feeder, processing, and retailing but that doesn't mean I know every single detail such as what Tyson is charging for boneless chucks this week or what Tyson is bidding for fat cattle in Texas today without checking. Is that too deep for you?

If I didn't understand every facet of this industry (as opposed to every detail of every facet), don't you think you would have come up with something better to hang on me after this many years of endless debate than a bet that you won on a technicality without contributing anything to it? You didn't bring anything to the table to prove me wrong, I had to prove myself wrong and admit it then you hypocritically question that same data.

Like I said, SEMANTICS! That's all you'll ever have!

CREATING ILLUSIONS with misinterpretation and diverting the issues. A deceptive "factually void" little parasite.

You are going to have to come up with something better than semantics to discredit me with little ankle biter. The fact that you would sink your teeth into this shows your desperation and I'll take it as a compliment.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Lying King but I never claimed to know every detail of every facet of this industry.


~SH~

 

[Red Robin]

Off packerland's website (smithfields beef plant in Wis.)

Packerland Packing markets beef to retailers, wholesalers, food service distributors and processors worldwide. We have production facilities in Plainwell, Michigan and Green Bay, Wisconsin.

Packerland is the largest vertically integrated beef company east of the Mississippi River.

Our efforts in research and development keep us on the leading edge of technology in the meat industry. We have one of the finest high tech in house laboratories in the industry today. Our commitment to quality and consistency is also proven by the large number of quality assurance inspectors when compared to the number of head produced.

 

[agman]

I was with a feedlot buyer just a few weeks ago and ran into a Cargill buyer bidding on the same calves we were.

Packers are already cutting out some of the middlemen for good calves.

Should they pass on to the producer some of the profits gained from going direct to the weaning pen?

Mike , did you ask the seller if he was partnering with Cargill with those cattle on feed. I have clients who are partnering with Cargill on their branded programs and receive significant gains over the initial selling price for their calves and feeders based upon feedlot and meat yield performance. That is a good thing and please explain why a middleman is necessary in such a transaction?

I note your comment "good calves". Yes, that is what the market wants and you will see more price differentiation in the future. I just had lunch with a gentleman whose cattle graded 40% prime with no Y-G4's. It took the producer 20 year to develop those genetics. Why should he not be allowed to benefit from a partnership with the packer? What would you as a middleman offer him above what a packer can and does offer?

 

[Mike]

What would you as a middleman offer him above what a packer can and does offer?

I could offer him "Peace, Love, and Understanding". :wink:

 

[fedup2]

Sh!tHead writes: "I am very well aware of every facet of this industry."

Sh!tHead writes, "First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim. :liar:

The poor pathetic lying little forum princess gets caught with his panties around his knees again and he yells semantics!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[fedup2]

It was so funny I double posted!

 

[Anonymous]

F'ed up: "The poor pathetic lying little forum princess gets caught with his panties around his knees again and he yells semantics!"

Hahaha! Look at little F'ed up in his feeble attempt to discredit me. What a joke you are.

Are you really so desperate to discredit me that you have to take statements that I made out of the context they were stated in and out of the sequence they were stated in to create a appearance of a contradiction? Good grief!

Congratulations F'ed Up, you now join the deceptive ranks of Sandcheska and Lying King with this pathetic move.

You packer blamers are such a sorry bunch. Anything to discredit the opposition as opposed to defending your packer blaming views with supporting facts.


Let's put this into sequence so everyone can see the deception you tried to pull off here ..........

SH (previous): ""First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim."

That statement was made in response to ...........

Lying King (someone you can probably relate to F'ed up): "You didn't know every facet of the beef industry yet pretended to until shown how full of SH you were."

First, I never once mentioned the word "FACET" in a post until responding to this lie from Lying King.

Second, this was another lie from Lying King because Lying King never proved me wrong on anything, EVER.

These were Lying Kings words ("every facet of the beef industry"), not mine. With that said, that doesn't mean I don't understand all of the various facets of this industry such as feeding, processing, and retailing, this just means I never made that claim until responding to Lying King's above statement (lie). With that said, understanding all of the various facets of this industry doesn't mean that I know every single detail such as how much ibp is selling 80/20 ground beef for this week.

YOU BET SEMANTICS!

SH (previous): ""I am very well aware of every facet of this industry."

That statement was made AFTER LYING KING MADE THE ABOVE STATEMENT (lie) AND AFTER I RESPONDED TO IT, not before.

At the time Lying King made his statement above, I never claimed to know every facet of the industry but that doesn't mean I don't understand every facet of the industry because I do.


Really F'ed up, is this all you got?

Now everyone can see that the only way you can ATTEMPT TO discredit me is to take statements I have made out of context and out of sequence. Anyone can read these statements within context and within the sequence they were made and see exactly what you tried to do. Sure makes you look like a pathetic ash doesn't it?

I never once mentioned the word "FACET", until responding to Lying King's post. After that, I explained myself. You switched the sequence of the two statements to create an illusion of a contradiction but did you honestly figure I wouldn't call you on it? YOU DID? Ah...poor F'ed Up!

The fact that Lying King can lie in virtually every thread he makes and insecure little packer blamers like you come to his rescue and deceive to discredit speaks volumes about you and your integrity F'ed Up!

Instead of trying to discredit me by taking my statements out of context and out of sequence, why don't you try taking a statement I have made about some facet of this industry and prove me wrong with facts to the contrary? I've been here for well over 2 years and you packer blamers haven't proven me wrong on a beef/cattle industry issue yet. NOT ONCE!

Anything to divert the issues!


NEXT!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "I've been here for well over 2 years and you packer blamers haven't proven me wrong on a beef/cattle industry issue yet. NOT ONCE!"

THIS WEEK, BSE tester put you in your place in testing, and then there was that little deal on the Japanese requesting testing.

 

[Anonymous]

Why don't you show everyone where bse tester "SUPPOSEDLY" put me in my place. Talk is cheap! bse tester is trying to sell a test that the rest of the world says, by their actions, is not justified.

As far as Japan requesting testing, I never said they didn't request testing prior to recent negotiations. I ASKED! Japan is phasing out 100% testing proving that they have changed their views on 100% testing.

You got nothing but another "ILLUSION" Little Sandcheska!

I'm done with you for a few days but I'll be back to correct your lies. You can count on it.


~SH~

 

[fedup2]

Poor, poor Sh!tHead! The wimp that can't even read a post without slicing, dicing, cutting & pasting every sentence so his little mind can find a flaw in it. Now crying that he was taken out of context! ROTFLMAO!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

A legend in his own mind. I am the greatest! Ah……….where did I say I was the greatest…..ah it was a lie, sematics! You got nothing…..ah ……..watch this folks……….they are just trying to divert from the fact that I'm great….. :???: ah...where did I say that?

I can almost hear the music and see the chicken dance! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Would you please post a picture of yourself Sh!tHead. retty: I would love to see you in your ruffled laced camo, with your pink rimfire sneaking up on a gopher! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Sandhusker]

Why don't you show everyone where bse tester "SUPPOSEDLY" put me in my place. Talk is cheap! bse tester is trying to sell a test that the rest of the world says, by their actions, is not justified.

As far as Japan requesting testing, I never said they didn't request testing prior to recent negotiations. I ASKED! Japan is phasing out 100% testing proving that they have changed their views on 100% testing.

You got nothing but another "ILLUSION" Little Sandcheska!

I'm done with you for a few days but I'll be back to correct your lies. You can count on it.


~SH~

They can go back and read it. It's all still there - it's happened more than once.

Other than MRJ and Jason, who do you expect to believe you?

 

[SR]

Sandhusker, I Have learned altot from SH in several years of reading this board , and I would suspect that many others have. I don't care for the arrogance,rudeness, and Canadian bashing , no matter who it comes from, but I think you and some of your buddies may almost have a monopoly on those kinda posts. SR

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandhusker, I Have learned altot from SH in several years of reading this board , and I would suspect that many others have. I don't care for the arrogance,rudeness, and Canadian bashing , no matter who it comes from, but I think you and some of your buddies may almost have a monopoly on those kinda posts. SR

If I happen to "bash" anybody, it's not because of their nationality. I even PM with several of the same Canadians I bet you think I'm bashing. I get on SH because of his childish antics and blatant hypocracy. He doesn't get near as much as he asks for.

I'm very curious what you learned from SH. Care to share?

 

[fedup2]

When I started posting on this forum, I objected to the name calling, put downs, personal type of crap. I was told by Sh!tHead to go to the 'nicey - nicey' forum if I couldn't take it. I told him I would start posting just like he did after that.

As far as what I learned from Sh!thead, lets see: He constantly tries to 'teach' us how to do everything he 'accuses' this forum of doing. He whines, cries, cusses, diverts, beats his chest, ignores any written material submitted in an argument, & is a genuine @sshole & a proven liar!

When I start reading a decent discussion that can go on for several pages, with goods points brought up by both sides, he comes wading in. Its kinda like a beautiful morning, quiet, peaceful, & then a skunk comes through the yard and stinks the place up! I've watched him change one decent poster after another whether they were Canadian or American, he soured them to the point where instead of a breath of fresh air, they changed to give back what they got from the arrogant @sshole!

So SR, you have a choice. Maybe you should take the advice that Sh!thead gave to me. There is always the 'nicey - nicey forum!

 

[Sandhusker]

SR, here's what I've leaned from SH;

Anything you do for foreign customers, domestic customers will demand the same.
If you allow BSE testing everybody will have to do it.
BSE costs will be passed down to the producers.
BSE testing is deception
BSE tests can't detect BSE in animals under 30 months.
Japan did not ask for testing.
R-CALF is a bunch of Democrats
2 bidders is all the competiton you need
Requiring BSE testing is a trade barrier
R-CALF can write laws and close international borders
The packers can't verticly integrate the beef industry because they would have to buy land
Consolitation is a sign of competition.
Packers can segregate every package of organic beef, but they can't do the same with COOL
No Congressmen are paid off
He has never been refuted nor proven wrong
Bankers should not give advice, but also should not loan money to buy cattle when prices are high
The Japanese don't want tested beef because they know tested beef is deception
GIPSA is about competition between packers
Mike Callicrate is guilty of perjury.
SRM removal assures safety
R-CALF is isolationist
R-CALF has no credibility in Washington

Quite the teacher SH is. :roll:

 

[Texan]

Sandhusker, I Have learned altot from SH in several years of reading this board , and I would suspect that many others have. I don't care for the arrogance,rudeness, and Canadian bashing , no matter who it comes from, but I think you and some of your buddies may almost have a monopoly on those kinda posts. SR

I agree, SR. There's something to be learned from everybody here. I learn things from people that I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even like. The "he did it first" argument really shouldn't be used by adults, but I'm sure I've done the same thing.

I think that a lot of the problem is that some people here respond to the poster instead of the post. They see that somebody they don't like has posted something, and they are already planning their rebuttals as they read the post. Often never even taking advantage of the opportunity to learn something. But as I said, I'm guilty of the same thing.

Bull Session surely has it's place. But I bet there's a lot of kids that would look in here and wonder why they get in trouble for doing the same stuff...

 

[andybob]

Debating was part of our high school English curriculum. The golden rule was to always respect our opponent and remember that it is the opponent's view we were 'attacking' and not the individual, personal comments were censured and cost your team points.
After all, diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to H-ll and have them looking foreward to the journey!

 

[efb]

Gentlemen, if you compare the content of the past 7 pages of this thread to what goes on in a board room of a Tyson or Cargill etc. you would see why we will eventually lose control of the beef business just as the hog and poultry breeders before us have. They are smart businessmen. They are probably first trying to figure out how to increase their share of the beef market in the retail store. They will determine that they need a more consistent better eating experience than we have given them. They have the resources to develop that animal while we are fighting among ourselves to protect our little segment of the business. Once they have the genetics to do that they will develop the demand at the retail level. Much as Certified Angus Beef has, only to a much greater degree. Now they will be ready to integrate backwards to the cowman. They will do it with the carrot, not the stick. They won't have to confine cows, they won't have to own the land or the cows. They will pay you a premium to produce their genetics under their protocal and under contract to them. While they are getting you locked into their genetics under contract to them they are growing their share of the retail beef business and raising the price. They will be widening their profit margine and gradually putting the squeeze on you. At that point what are your options. You could quit your contract, go buy back cows and sell their calves into a declining market segment for less money. Your locked in. You are a contract grower just like the chicken man. And, they don't own a cow or an acre of land. They are able to do this because they have the resources and market savy to determine what the consumer wants, develop it, and increase the market demand for it. We can either produce it for them at a price they determine, or we can take the scraps that they will leave.
The reason they will be able to do this is because we are too occupied fighting with each other to get organized and do it ourselves. I know it's a grim picture, but gentlemen it's coming and you can bank on it.