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Vigertone

OT has a "tainted product" phobia. BSE doesn't get a rise out of anyone anymore so he needs a new whipping boy.
We love ya OT, but lay off the tainted products!
 
Speaking of tainted products there's been a couple deals with bad screening pellets up here-one ended up with some dead cows and several tons hauled to the landfill. Last week I was doing a cattle count at a place and the last load they'd brought in had put their calves right off feed-they aren't getting alot per day so I'm guessing the rumensin got mixed a bit rich. I suggested to just quit trying to feed them till the company checked it out. Over the years I've had a couple feed batches weren't great but both times the companies involved were good at resolving them.
 
We use vigertone for our calves and they love it!!!! And my go to girl (fasters) and my best guy dealer Brett are perfect.... Love it and will buy more!!! Also they have some rockin horse products.......
 
Oldtimer said:
cowwrangler said:
was at a meeting today about vigertone beef minerals and hay preservative,was waiting for Faster Horses to stand up and speak but she didnt show!! whats up with that???? :D the hay defender sounds like a good product,has anyone used it before???
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Vigortone is/and could be a good product-if they stood behind their dealers and product....Problem is up here I have had 3 dealers now that went bankrupt or skipped the country- and the company didn't stand behind the defective/problem products saying I had to work with the bankrupt/nonexistent dealer-- and with their private dealership areas way of marketing switching hands so often- it was almost impossible to maintain a supply or even find where you could get it without travelling too far...
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A question OT. You got your panties into such a knot over a few bags of this product that your cattle wouldn't eat?
 
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
cowwrangler said:
was at a meeting today about vigertone beef minerals and hay preservative,was waiting for Faster Horses to stand up and speak but she didnt show!! whats up with that???? :D the hay defender sounds like a good product,has anyone used it before???
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Vigortone is/and could be a good product-if they stood behind their dealers and product....Problem is up here I have had 3 dealers now that went bankrupt or skipped the country- and the company didn't stand behind the defective/problem products saying I had to work with the bankrupt/nonexistent dealer-- and with their private dealership areas way of marketing switching hands so often- it was almost impossible to maintain a supply or even find where you could get it without travelling too far...
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A question OT. You got your panties into such a knot over a few bags of this product that your cattle wouldn't eat?
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Yep--probably only $400 worth-- but $400 is $400 when you expect a Company to stand behind their product...In fact FH is the one that advised me there was some tainted "sour" lots out there, when I told her my cows wouldn't eat any of this stuff and that I'd had to dump it on the ground and get something else...

When I tried to get an answer the folks that sold it said it wasn't their problem- I'd have to go to the regional dealer...When I tried to contact the regional dealer- I found he had lost his place and was now working in Wyoming...Shortly after that the store where I originally bought it was seized by a Court Order by the Sheriff- and the contents of the store sold to meet their bills....

Finally just decided it was a $400 lesson learned- and went to another product that does as good and is cheaper....Too many good companies/stores still around that go out of their way to provide service and a good product- and I'd much prefer doing business with them...

But because of that lack of service and failure to stand behind the product- I would never recommend Vigortone to anyone...
 
I use Cargill Onyx and Emerald, I really like it ,so do the cattle.

Is vigortone even available in Canada/Alberta ? If I could find it I would be willing to try it and see if there is a difference in the cattle.
 
Old Disagreeable has quite the knack for finding products that everyone can get along with just fine except him. Either the dealer won't bend over backwards and kiss his ash on demand or the product is somehow tainted or not up to standard. I'll bet he could buy salt, and, by God, his cows wouldn't eat it, something is wrong with it.

From what his neighbors told me last summer, not many are looking to do business with Disagreeable. Maybe they think what earnings they do get they've earned several times over?
 
loomixguy said:
Old Disagreeable has quite the knack for finding products that everyone can get along with just fine except him. Either the dealer won't bend over backwards and kiss his ash on demand or the product is somehow tainted or not up to standard. I'll bet he could buy salt, and, by God, his cows wouldn't eat it, something is wrong with it.

From what his neighbors told me last summer, not many are looking to do business with Disagreeable. Maybe they think what earnings they do get they've earned several times over?
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I've got a neighbor like that if he buys a $20 trailer part from me I'm suppose to drop everything and deliver it when I go to feed. He lives 13 miles from my house and 3/4 of a mile from my farm and I do drive by at times. If I do stop you got to damn near pay them for the honor of having their business. These kind of customers are'nt worth a minute of my time as I'm sure this is the case above.
 
loomixguy said:
Old Disagreeable has quite the knack for finding products that everyone can get along with just fine except him. Either the dealer won't bend over backwards and kiss his ash on demand or the product is somehow tainted or not up to standard. I'll bet he could buy salt, and, by God, his cows wouldn't eat it, something is wrong with it.

From what his neighbors told me last summer, not many are looking to do business with Disagreeable. Maybe they think what earnings they do get they've earned several times over?
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Yep-- and some folks peddle "cowcandy"- Loomix-- which I also tried for a couple of years and wouldn't recommend to anyone either... Tough enough watching that overly expensive stuff drip off the cows face onto the ground-- but really bad when they suck down a whole tub in a day or two because the salesman mixed it too sweet (ignorance- or more commission :???: ) - or they stand their crapping in it for a week or two because it was mixed too sour and you can't get the salesman back to sweeten it...

Personally I agree with several on the other thread that much of this mineral/supplements is overrated- and overused.... And I'm not going to lie to folks about my opinions/experiences with it....


But some folks like stuffing dollars down a rathole too... Each to their own...I just watched a steer sell for $185,000 at the Fort Worth Stock Show too ... :shock: :roll:
 
Oldtimer said:
Yep-- and some folks peddle "cowcandy"- Loomix-- which I also tried for a couple of years and wouldn't recommend to anyone either... Tough enough watching that overly expensive stuff drip off the cows face onto the ground-- but really bad when they suck down a whole tub in a day or two because the salesman mixed it too sweet (ignorance- or more commission :???: ) - or they stand their crapping in it for a week or two because it was mixed too sour and you can't get the salesman back to sweeten it...

Personally I agree with several on the other thread that much of this mineral/supplements is overrated- and overused.... And I'm not going to lie to folks about my opinions/experiences with it....


But some folks like stuffing dollars down a rathole too... Each to their own...I just watched a steer sell for $185,000 at the Fort Worth Stock Show too ... :shock: :roll:
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You had a problem with the service end of things, NOT the product. You ask questions and use your own best judgment as to what blend to start the cattle on...sometimes you are right on the money with the blend, and sometimes you miss it by a mile. The product works, and has worked since 1952. It has a patent from the US Patent Office for fiber digestion...we digest 34% more fiber than any other product out there...which means they can get more out of junkier forages, and if they are being fed higher quality forages, they will need less of it to get their NRC requirements.

As far as overly expensive, I just checked my new ADM pricesheet that came this morning, and allowing for a comparable margin per ton, I am $100/ton cheaper than ADM's cheapest tubs, $150/ton cheaper than their middle of the road tubs, and $300/ton cheaper than their top of the line tubs. As for cubes, I am $30/ton cheaper than ADM's middle of the road cubes. You don't have to go to town and get LOOMIX, there are no fines to deal with, and the dealer provides the troughs it is fed in, so you don't need a cake feeder on your truck or to buy your own lick wheel tank or pay rent on one. A good dealer will move the troughs as the cattle are moved, and does not charge for that service, nor do any dealers I know of bill a "stop charge" when they service a trough. Delivered cost is fed cost. Not everyone is cut out to be a LOOMIX dealer, though, because the customer service factor is so demanding.

A poor dealer or dealer network does not necessarily mean a poor product, but it appears the Ancient One cannot differentiate between the two. Don't worry, Ancient One, I wouldn't lie to another feed company/dealer about my opinion of you, either. :wink:
 
When hay is $50 a Ton delivered- why spend money on cowcandy?
If you have the right genetics they should be able to thrive on grass/forage alone.....
 
Well, I know nothing about Loomix in particular but I do know something about markets.

Any product that has stood the test of time, this one apparently since 1952, is likely showing an improvement in the bottom line for the guy who is spending his own money on the product.

Apparently cowcandy pays its way and then some.
 
i was a Loomix dealer for several years, and in my opinion it is a good product. it has been around for way to long for it not to be. OT is just hating the game, when it should be the player.
 
loomixguy said:
Hay isn't $50/ton delivered every year, and not everybody has the perfect gene pool out in the lot/pasture....... :wink:
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Hey Loomix I think you missed something, Oldtimer said
"If you have the right genetics they should be able to thrive on grass/forage alone....."
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By all the b*tching moaning and groaning Oldtimer does about minerals and supplements not being cheap enough or close enough or that his cattle won't eat or they eat to much, I would have to guess he doesn't have a perfect gene pool either. Otherwise why would he be wasting his government checks that can be spend on buying booze for next bitchfest down at the wateringhole on his cattle ? :wink:

We have all known people like Oldtimer nothing is good enough, cheap enough or close enough to ever satisfy them. If a feed salesman was smart they would be checking out Oldtimer's past feed suppliers before ever making a sale to him. Maybe his bi*ching is what caused the doors to close, as we all know it only takes one like him to destroy a long built reputation. :roll:
 
Whirtewing wrote
So, how long did it take you to find out the product was bad?
oldtimer said
as soon as it was all gone :wink: \

oldtimer wrote
Yep-- and some folks peddle "cowcandy"- Loomix-- which I also tried for a couple of years and wouldn't recommend to anyone either... Tough enough watching that overly expensive stuff

Cannot thinlk of a better reasonn to TRY it :D Notce how olstimer is the only one who has had a problem.

Mkes one wonder just who the problem is :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

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