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Wasn't coyotes after all.

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A friend farms wheat about 30 miles east of Denver. Since the wheat business is pretty poor, he was raising a few calves to use up his spare time and, hopefully, to make a few dollars.

One morning he went out to find two of his calves in the corral dead - apparently from a coyote attack. He apparently put some Paraquat on the carcasses and figured that ought to take care of the predators.

The next day, a neighbor comes over and mentions that his dog had become sick and died. The farmer explained that he dog may have gotten into the animal carcasses and eaten some bad stuff. The neighbor lived about half a mile away.

Soon after, other neighbors showed up claiming their dogs had been poisoned. They called the law.

Apparently the dogs had been running in a pack and they had killed the calves and had returned for seconds the next night.

The upset dog owners called the law. It was announced on TV news tonight that the county sherrif had filed four counts of animal cruelty against my friend.

Time to sell out to the developers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When this is settled, eventually, I will pass the outcome one to the forum.
 
Cowpuncher said:
A friend farms wheat about 30 miles east of Denver. Since the wheat business is pretty poor, he was raising a few calves to use up his spare time and, hopefully, to make a few dollars.

One morning he went out to find two of his calves in the corral dead - apparently from a coyote attack. He apparently put some Paraquat on the carcasses and figured that ought to take care of the predators.

The next day, a neighbor comes over and mentions that his dog had become sick and died. The farmer explained that he dog may have gotten into the animal carcasses and eaten some bad stuff. The neighbor lived about half a mile away.

Soon after, other neighbors showed up claiming their dogs had been poisoned. They called the law.

Apparently the dogs had been running in a pack and they had killed the calves and had returned for seconds the next night.

The upset dog owners called the law. It was announced on TV news tonight that the county sherrif had filed four counts of animal cruelty against my friend.

Time to sell out to the developers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When this is settled, eventually, I will pass the outcome one to the forum.
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Bad deal for the fellow with the calves but he just brought on more trouble using a poison like that. That can kill many animals down the food chain. Been better if he had shot the dogs or trapped them.
 
He can beat the animal cruelty rap, but the epa may have their own thoughts about lable violations.

If it were coyotes, they'd wind paraquat. Strichtnine is superrior, but savy coyotes are hard to outsmart. On the otherhand, shooting renegade dogs is plain easy - so is keeping your mouth shut.
 
What is it about people today that makes them lose their mind? They've got calf-killing dogs that are packing up and killing domestic animals, not that big a leap to move on up to kids. Especially out there, it would take about 2 people to move away and abandon those dogs & there'd be a feral pack running wild in no time.

Every time I go to Denver I just become more and more amazed at the amount of development out in the boonies. Those people have to drive an hour to work or more, b/c like Cowpuncher said, it's tough making it on ag in that neck of the woods. People move into the city/suburbs/development areas and think they have the right to let their dogs run loose to cover all the ground they want & then scream about it when the dog gets what it deserves. People these days....

Phil
 
if he hadn't used such a toxic highly restricted product and used it outside its label he prolly wouldn't have anything to worry about, but the way he did it it's hard to fight something like that...especially nowadays. So really both people are to blame. If there were dogs only half mile away, the man should of expected they might wander through and eat the poison even if he didn't expect them as the killers.......and especially outside of Denver....I can only imagine how the population is around there. Like I said if he had used a product according to it's label that was approved for predater control he would have nothing to worry about....he was on his own land...the dogs are the ones who trespassed......I'm sure they got him because he used a herbicide outside its label and thats hard to win in court under any circumstances.

I highly doubt it says on the label to use to poison coyotes. I'm not against using it for that...hell use what works...but be smart about it and if you do use it face the outcome....especially when it could of been avoided. Now days there are to many bunny huggers to get away with anything...they take that shirt serious.

You guys ever watch those shows like animal cops or something. I seen on in Houston the other day where they just go in and take peoples animals....they seize them by law....and then prosecute the owners ...they took this one guys goats..like 20 of them just because one old one looked sick and they were standing in mud. Now honestly....that wasn't called for, cause how many of you have livestock standing in mud with one that don't look as healthy as it should? These big cities are scary to have animals around just cause of all these bunny huggers who think they know best and can read animals minds.....all these damn "Animal Whisperers"!!

there i touched on two sensitive topics today.....animal rights/ cruelty and illigal's/mexicans......that should last me awhile.

take care
 
the_jersey_lilly_2000 said:
sounds like he's dealin with the same kinda thing we are, with the Constables pack of dogs and half grown pups. but they are decreasin in numbers.........at a rather quick pace :D
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Too funny-who needs poison
 
I watch the Animal Cops show and most times when they take animals, they darn sure need taken. Ever notice how fat the owners are? Very, very seldom do they look like they have ever missed a meal.

I do agree to some extent, TX Tibbs, that sometimes they get a little
carried away.
 
Using a restricted herbicide to poison anything is farrrrrrrr beyond stupid-ESPECIALLY next to a huge urban center like Denver-if we ever wonder why the public perception of ranchers isn't to great we just need to look to idiots like this guy. There were other avenues to pursue in his situation besides one the one he took.Imagine if they'd found a half dozen dead eagles around those calves-we ranch in the public eye-right or wrong and it's important we don't forget that.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Using a restricted herbicide to poison anything is farrrrrrrr beyond stupid-ESPECIALLY next to a huge urban center like Denver-if we ever wonder why the public perception of ranchers isn't to great we just need to look to idiots like this guy. There were other avenues to pursue in his situation besides one the one he took.Imagine if they'd found a half dozen dead eagles around those calves-we ranch in the public eye-right or wrong and it's important we don't forget that.
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well said
 
same thing around here, subdivisions going up all around us and the farm land is getting smaller. people move out into the "country" (haha not any more) and then let there dogs run loose. better half called the animal control last year because of three big labs running in the pasture with some newby calves, they show up two hours later and then told her if she would catch them they would come and pick them up. what a joke.

shoot, shovel, shut-up

i feel sorry for that ol boy, he will more than likely face some fines and maybe even loose his applicators license (have to have to buy and use restricted products). i would have played dumb when the neighbor showed up.

the state of tennessee has a leash law that says your animal must be on a leash or under your control at all times. might check to see if Colorado has any kind of law like that, might be a local ordinance for that county.

also has a law about if your animal is killed the responsible party must pay you what it would have been worth plus its offspring. can't remember just exactly how that one is worded.

shoot, shovel, shut-up...............it's the best way (i had rather trap than poison)

just my thoughts

G3
 
several years ago our neighbor had coyotes killing sheep, so he put furidan on the carcasses......eight dead bald eagles later, he found himself in court and paying a very hefty fine!


just sad that a mans way of life is second to the welfare of the animals.....
 
Pretty sad when there's still people doing something that stupid in this day and age-i've shot the odd dog in my day too-but putting out something like that on a carcass is just wrong. We've got neighbors dogs in 'yote traps too-just haul them back home-pretty concrete proof that their dog wanders. Unles your dog is tied up or kennelled you can never be sure he isn't wandering.
 
justaranchhand said:
rustynail said:
shoot, shovel, shut-up...............it's the best way (i had rather trap than poison)
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this is starting to sound like a wolf debate now :lol: i like a high velocity vitamin right between the eyes on anything that is chewin up cattle, or sheep, or horses, or whatever...but thats just me
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Not at all, I'm just saying if i can't catch dogs, yotes or whatever red handed to give them high velocity vitamins ..........catch em, kill em, bury em and shut up about it. :wink: I aint no bunny hugger thats for sure :devil2: .

G3 :lol:
 

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