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weak calves????

jigs

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I have had three calves this year that are weak legged. the ankles are tough to bend and they have a hard time standing. two were BIG calves, and the one I pulled and it is just acting weak, can not stand.

had zero trouble last year, and it is baffling me now. a neighbor told me that a weed he saw in my pasture will cause parilized calves, but out of the 20 that have went already, these are the only 3 with troubles.

any ideas at all would be helpful.
 
Sounds like yer needing a new bull!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:



We've had them like that at times, esp if the calves were really big ,there's just not enough room in the womb for them to stretch out as they grow and flex, like human babies do, so they tend to be born with weaker tendons.


Just watch the calves, and all of ours grew out of it in a few weeks and went on at full blast from there.
 
kolanuraven said:
Sounds like yer needing a new bull!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:



We've had them like that at times, esp if the calves were really big ,there's just not enough room in the womb for them to stretch out as they grow and flex, like human babies do, so they tend to be born with weaker tendons.


Just watch the calves, and all of ours grew out of it in a few weeks and went on at full blast from there.

I agree that this is something that they should grow out of and be fine. Tends to happen in the larger calves. If you find out it is something else ~ I'd be interested to know.
 
Sounds like contracted tendons.Very common with quite large calves.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/90206.htm-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Contracted flexor tendons, calf


Contracted flexor tendons are probably the most prevalent abnormality of the musculoskeletal system of newborn foals and calves. An autosomal recessive gene causes this condition. In utero positioning may also affect the degree of disability. gene causes this condition. In utero positioning may also affect the degree of disability.
At birth, the pastern and fetlocks of the forelegs and sometimes the carpal joints are flexed to varying degrees due to shortening of the deep and superficial digital flexors and associated muscles. A cleft palate may accompany this condition in some breeds. Slightly affected animals bear weight on the soles of the feet and walk on their toes. More severely affected animals walk on the dorsal surface of the pastern and fetlock joint. If not treated, the dorsal surfaces of these joints become damaged, and suppurative arthritis develops. Rupture of the common digital extensor can occur as a sequela. This condition should be differentiated from arthrogryposis.
Mildly affected animals recover without treatment. In moderate cases, a splint can be applied to force the animal to bear weight on its toes. The pressure from the splint must not compromise the circulation, or the foot may undergo ischemic necrosis. Frequent manual extension of the joints, attempting to stretch the ligaments, tendons, and muscles, aids in treating these intermediate cases. Severe cases require tenotomy of one or both flexor tendons. A plaster-of-Paris cast may also be indicated in some cases. Extreme cases may not respond to any treatment. (See also flexion deformities, Flexion Deformities.)
 
I've always blamed it on big calves as well. I still think that's the case. I did notice on the Mineral max label they listed manganese deficiencies have those symptoms.
http://www.mineral-max.com/mang.html
 
hillsdown said:
Sounds like contracted tendons.Very common with quite large calves.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/90206.htm-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Contracted flexor tendons, calf


Contracted flexor tendons are probably the most prevalent abnormality of the musculoskeletal system of newborn foals and calves. An autosomal recessive gene causes this condition. In utero positioning may also affect the degree of disability. gene causes this condition. In utero positioning may also affect the degree of disability.
At birth, the pastern and fetlocks of the forelegs and sometimes the carpal joints are flexed to varying degrees due to shortening of the deep and superficial digital flexors and associated muscles. A cleft palate may accompany this condition in some breeds. Slightly affected animals bear weight on the soles of the feet and walk on their toes. More severely affected animals walk on the dorsal surface of the pastern and fetlock joint. If not treated, the dorsal surfaces of these joints become damaged, and suppurative arthritis develops. Rupture of the common digital extensor can occur as a sequela. This condition should be differentiated from arthrogryposis.
Mildly affected animals recover without treatment. In moderate cases, a splint can be applied to force the animal to bear weight on its toes. The pressure from the splint must not compromise the circulation, or the foot may undergo ischemic necrosis. Frequent manual extension of the joints, attempting to stretch the ligaments, tendons, and muscles, aids in treating these intermediate cases. Severe cases require tenotomy of one or both flexor tendons. A plaster-of-Paris cast may also be indicated in some cases. Extreme cases may not respond to any treatment. (See also flexion deformities, Flexion Deformities.)



Where this says the use of ' casts & etc'..... DO NOT try that yourself.

If it's THAT bad....call a vet.

I say that as know of guy who rigged up some type of PVC casts for a calf that he should've left alone. Poor little critter got gangrene in it's feet/legs and had to be put down. The guy had cut off circulation in the process of his creation & impatience.

99.9999999% of the time, given Momma's milk...a little extra attention from you...they'll be tearing up the pastures playing with all the other calf -kids in a week or so. Patience is the key.
 
Have had a lot of calves (prolly a dozen or so) of all breeds that walk around for the first day or two with the front feet turned under, in big and small calves alike.

They can suck ok but not move for long distances.

Pulling calves will hinder the front feet too.
 
the front feet are curled, but what gets me is the back legs are the weakest. this last one was from a prolapse cow, so I was watching her close. as soon as she started to push I cut the stitch and started pulling the calf. calf eats real good, when held up to the tit but can not get there by itself......

patience is one trait I lack! that and the thin gene!
 
I'm wondering about White Muscle disease, Mike, if they are weak.
You might give them some Bos-E; might help and it sure can't hurt.
This will show up in some calves, but not all and it is a mineral deficiency-
a lack of selenium. Of course, this is just the SWAG system (Scientific Wild Assed Guess), but Bos-E isn't expensive and it sure might be worth giving it.

Hey, let us know how they get along, ok? I'm interested.
 
jigs said:
the front feet are curled, but what gets me is the back legs are the weakest. this last one was from a prolapse cow, so I was watching her close. as soon as she started to push I cut the stitch and started pulling the calf. calf eats real good, when held up to the tit but can not get there by itself......

patience is one trait I lack! that and the thin gene!


Well...maybe old(fat) dogs can learn new tricks.. :wink: :wink: ..try for the patience trick!!!


Just calm down and let nature/nuture take it's course. :lol: :lol:
 
kolanuraven said:
jigs said:
the front feet are curled, but what gets me is the back legs are the weakest. this last one was from a prolapse cow, so I was watching her close. as soon as she started to push I cut the stitch and started pulling the calf. calf eats real good, when held up to the tit but can not get there by itself......

patience is one trait I lack! that and the thin gene!


Well...maybe old(fat) dogs can learn new tricks.. :wink: :wink: ..try for the patience trick!!!


Just calm down and let nature/nuture take it's course. :lol: :lol:
damn! did we take vows??? :shock:

that is the same thing I hear from the Mrs every time I try to hurry something along!! :lol:
 
We've had that in different breeds and size of calves. We usually give them a shot of selenium and vitamin A, and then splint them. We cut a 2 inch heater hose in half (more flexible then PVC pipe), and then wrap it with duct tape. Leave it on for two or three days, then take it off and let them go on their own. They may still buckle under, but not quite as bad. Eventually they grow right out of it.
 
jigs said:
kolanuraven said:
jigs said:
the front feet are curled, but what gets me is the back legs are the weakest. this last one was from a prolapse cow, so I was watching her close. as soon as she started to push I cut the stitch and started pulling the calf. calf eats real good, when held up to the tit but can not get there by itself......

patience is one trait I lack! that and the thin gene!


Well...maybe old(fat) dogs can learn new tricks.. :wink: :wink: ..try for the patience trick!!!


Just calm down and let nature/nuture take it's course. :lol: :lol:
damn! did we take vows??? :shock:

that is the same thing I hear from the Mrs every time I try to hurry something along!! :lol:


Bet that scared ya!!!! :lol: :lol:
 
jigs said:
the front feet are curled, but what gets me is the back legs are the weakest. this last one was from a prolapse cow, so I was watching her close. as soon as she started to push I cut the stitch and started pulling the calf. calf eats real good, when held up to the tit but can not get there by itself......

patience is one trait I lack! that and the thin gene!
Milk the cow and bottle feed the calf till it can walk well enough to suck.Helps settle the nerves!
Someone here should be quite familiar with things like short tendons,cleft palate,hair-lip etc. Seems I have heard ankony angus mentioned :D :D :D :D :D
 
Juan said:
jigs said:
the front feet are curled, but what gets me is the back legs are the weakest. this last one was from a prolapse cow, so I was watching her close. as soon as she started to push I cut the stitch and started pulling the calf. calf eats real good, when held up to the tit but can not get there by itself......

patience is one trait I lack! that and the thin gene!
Milk the cow and bottle feed the calf till it can walk well enough to suck.Helps settle the nerves!
Someone here should be quite familiar with things like short tendons,cleft palate,hair-lip etc. Seems I have heard ankony angus mentioned :D :D :D :D :D


Whoa now!!!! :lol: :lol:
 

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