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What do you think about arming school teachers?

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My only contribution to this is....IF you think your school is safe and you have no worries then you are living a fantasy. The world has changed and it doesnt matter what rural or urban schools your children attend.

As far as teachers carrying guns? I would have to say I have mixed emotions. Do I want to see our schools treated as prisons? I really do not see any other way than to lock them down, it is the safest way. My old H.S. shut the doors and built a new school. It has one way in and one way out...with metal detectors and that is not a inner city school...scarey but true. The little school here, has not gone to a total lock down, but they have installed cameras in every possible intrance to the schools, the restrooms and majority of classrooms. Now again would I want a teacher to carry a gun into the school? NO...but for that teacher to be taught self defense and educated in tactical training YES. Times are so different for our kids today, that I would like to know there is someone there protecting them against terrorist entering our schools.

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Red Robin said:
the_jersey_lilly_2000 said:
I don't think teachers should carry guns. For one.....there's how many kids in a room with 1 teacher??? Be the same as puttin a correctional officer in a prison with a gun.....inmates can over power them and take it away from them. That's why Texas Prison Guards dont' carry guns. (They do have armed Picket bosses tho but not in General population of prisons) Not that all students would do that. But the kinda kids and schools where somethin is needed to take back control, it would be too much of a possiblity.
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Alright , since it's down here in the correct spot, I'll debate some of ya'll a little. Lilly would the Amish kids have over powered the teacher? No
Would the Joplin Mo. kids over power a teacher? No
I don't know the Colorado school nor do I know anything about columbine but I doubt any of these schools that would have an uprising of students where this would happen. Do you really? Alot of the boys took guns to school when I was a kid. We had pistols and rifles and shotguns proudly displayed in the back glass of several vehicles all through highschool.
Lastly if the kids are really that violent, what says they can't over power a teacher then bring in the gun. It just doesn't hold water to me.
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Most schools, no I don't think the kids would do that, some schools yes..when you have kids on drugs to the point that they are bringin their own guns and knives to school, with the intent of using them, those I would think would do just about anything imaginable.....we've all seen those type cases on the news.
When we were kids, and today's kids are two totally different era's. Kids aren't the same as we were. When you are talkin about places where kids have controll....just a whole different ball of wax. You can't compare then and now.
 
law enforcement goes through alot of training before becoming and officer. then they have to keep training. trained in shoot and don't shoot situations. i've seen guys come unravled during an inactive video shooting, this type of training is as close to real as it gets.

it's easy to kill a deer or yot, but another human, in the right situation you have to. then you live with it. the nightmares are not all that fun.

i don't have all the answers. i believe that God needs to be back in schools, parents need to be parents, if you deserved a whippin in school then you got one when you got home, like i did.

one other thing, the kids in FFA 4-H Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, or any of the organizations, are they the ones that are in trouble all the time? no.

times are alot different than when we were kids, they are growing up alot faster and know more.

any way, no i do not think that teachers should be armed in school.
 
I have one question, do you all remember what safety drills we went through as kids? Our school was fire and tornado...wow that was all. Now, what are our safety issues within the schools? Scarey to start thinking what scares us now, isn't it? Largest threats now is the students themselves, and not everyone of the ones carrying guns were on drugs. You will see more than most that are shooting others, depression and mental states that drives them to so much hate that they want to see the ones that were torturing and tormenting them dead. We all want to blame the madness on drugs and alcohol, but that is the easy out...its the ones with mental problems that are the hardest to see coming. One day they seem happy, the next day they are holding a gun to your head. And, this happens in our little country schools...you may not want to acknowledge this, but it is there. Just go talk to your principles and teachers, how many times that they counsel these kids? Sorry, but I know that drugs is a huge problem..but, you have to see the other kids that are actually the ones that are in trouble.

Our teachers need to be educated in seeing the signs. Being able to assess what is going on, and be able to get our kids out of danger. Having people just walk into the school that do not attend there, is one thing...this is when I can see why we need school uniforms, as much as I didnt like it before. At least then looking through the halls, you can see who doesnt belong.

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Easty
 
Please forgive me for posting this topic in the wrong forum. If there were some way to move it to another forum without deleting everyone's posts I'd do it. Actually at the time I thought I was in the Coffee Shop but even that would not have been the correct forum. :oops: :x
 
nr said:
Please forgive me for posting this topic in the wrong forum. If there were some way to move it to another forum without deleting everyone's posts I'd do it. Actually at the time I thought I was in the Coffee Shop but even that would not have been the correct forum. :oops: :x
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Don't worry about it. Most people probably read all of the forums anyway. It is no big deal. :)
 
What we did as kids then ( 70's & 80's) you can't compare to now. Lily made that excellent point.

Some of you folks have got to get some rural electric out there and watch the TV and listen to the radio....or better yet , your prez had yet to do this one, READ the papers!!

It's a Brave New World , excellent book by the way,and you can't live in the past and saying " like I used to do"....it just won't work in the 21st century!
 
That is why teachers should be trained.
All teachers should be trained in self defense(defense of their children) and weapons.
 
kolanuraven said:
What we did as kids then ( 70's & 80's) you can't compare to now. Lily made that excellent point.

Some of you folks have got to get some rural electric out there and watch the TV and listen to the radio....or better yet , your prez had yet to do this one, READ the papers!!

It's a Brave New World , excellent book by the way,and you can't live in the past and saying " like I used to do"....it just won't work in the 21st century!
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Now Kola,that was just rude. Not one of us are sooo backwoods we don't know things have changed,most of us have raised children and now going onto have grandchildren going to go to these schools. I'm saddened and sickend that young people cannot feel safe in a school,yup,going back to the "Old" days but school was a great,fun place for most of us. Now you don't even know what your buddy sitting next to you is thinking,or doing.And I also realise its not just drugs that is causing this. What has of late been bugging me is,that these last few school shootings weren't even students.I want ALL children safe at school...BUT not with a gun!!!!!
 
If I turm my kids over to a teacher I want to know that they will defend them. If they are not willing, sorry you are not a teacher.
 
Mrs. Greg wrote:I want ALL children safe at school...BUT not with a gun!!!!!
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The media has you buffaloed into thinking that "GUNS ARE BAD".

Guns are an inanimate object Mrs. Greg. They, by themselves, are not bad.

Guns can only help level the playing field between those that have them and those that DO NOT.

What if people were walking into schools and killing people with baseball bats? Would you deny a teacher access to those bats too? :???:

My God people. Think of what you are saying here!
 
Mike said:
Mrs. Greg wrote:I want ALL children safe at school...BUT not with a gun!!!!!
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The media has you buffaloed into thinking that "GUNS ARE BAD".

Guns are an inanimate object Mrs. Greg. They, by themselves, are not bad.

Guns can only help level the playing field between those that have them and those that DO NOT.

What if people were walking into schools and killing people with baseball bats? Would you deny a teacher access to those bats too? :???:

My God people. Think of what you are saying here!
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Mike,our house is full of guns,I'm not afraid of guns...but you said a mouthful when you said"They by themselves are not bad" I honestly DO NOT want a teacher,that can loose it or children that can loose it having easy access to a gun or a baseball bat. :!: What really is the problam with locking these kids into the school? Making it safer. I stand firm on my belief guns do not belong in schools,my children were taught by thier dad to respect a gun and what a gun is for lots of other children and adults have never had this.
 
Mrs.Greg said:
Mike said:
Mrs. Greg wrote:I want ALL children safe at school...BUT not with a gun!!!!!
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The media has you buffaloed into thinking that "GUNS ARE BAD".

Guns are an inanimate object Mrs. Greg. They, by themselves, are not bad.

Guns can only help level the playing field between those that have them and those that DO NOT.

What if people were walking into schools and killing people with baseball bats? Would you deny a teacher access to those bats too? :???:

My God people. Think of what you are saying here!
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Mike,our house is full of guns,I'm not afraid of guns...but you said a mouthful when you said"They by themselves are not bad" I honestly DO NOT want a teacher,that can loose it or children that can loose it having easy access to a gun or a baseball bat. :!: What really is the problam with locking these kids into the school? Making it safer. I stand firm on my belief guns do not belong in schools,my children were taught by thier dad to respect a gun and what a gun is for lots of other children and adults have never had this.
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With all due respect. Your concept of "Safety" is the typical mindset of most women.

Lock yourself in a room and the problem will go away!

I never said you were afraid of guns. But obviously you think they are bad. :roll:

The problem we are speaking of is NOT about teachers "LOOSING" it. It's about the whackos who KNOW that teachers are incapable of protecting your children at present.
 
I really think that Administrators and staff that want the responsibility- and meet the requirements should be allowed to take training and carry firearms as a line of protection for the whole school system....Same as I believe pilots should be allowed to be armed...One armed person in the right place at the right time can mean a big difference....The alternatives are worse- armed police patroling every hallway and at every school door- bars on every door and locked down campuses....

Many of these problem kids and adults could be diffused earlier if ACLU/Courts hadn't taken the schools, social workers, mental healths, law enforcements intervention rights away from them...Anymore you can see these troubled kids for years ahead of time but almost have to wait until they carry out the action before you can do anything....The ACLU and the courts have given kids/youth too many rights- while taking away many of the tools that were used by parents and the system to educate them and help them grow into adults.....

With Al Quaeda now advising its members to use US schools as hostage and bombing targets for its terrorist acts- I think allowing some of the school staff to be trained and armed is a no brainer.....You have to remember- some of these staff are National Guards/reserves/retired military/former ROTC/ Sheriffs reserve, etc. Some of the best Reserve Deputies I had were teachers/administrators- several of which went into law enforcement full time when they got frustrated with the education system.... Gov. Martz's bodyguard was a Highway Patrol Sgt. who was a former teacher who worked for me as a Reserve Deputy....

Even the President and Congress recognized the fact that armed citizens can play a role in combating terrorism if in the right place at the right time- when they passed the Law allowing all retired law enforcement to pack concealed weapons anywhere in the country after 9/11....
 
I think instead of guns, a Tazer ( the one that shoots the electrodes)might be a better solution. It would certainly keep the bad guys hoppin and floppin 8) They can drop a person if needed but it is unlikely that a death would occur. (I say unlikely as they can kill people who suffer from genetic weakness of the heart etc.) Many kids today (sad to say) are absolutely nuts. A lack of direct supervison and a lack of consequences has left our childrens moral ground full of pot holes. I personally would not want to be the teacher in a room when little johnny gets ahold of said teachers weapon.
 
There a few false presumption abound here

If you ban guns then no kooks will have guns at school

Also that carrying a gun will automatically make a kook out of a teacher





A kook is a kook, banning a gun from a kook does not make a kook a sane person.





A question?

A kook comes in and takes over a school room
You have your choice of a teacher trained in self defense and weapons training, or you could have a teacher trained in basket weaving.

Which teacher do you want to trust your kids life with?






All teachers should be trained in self defense(defense of their children) and weapons



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Ok...you're right Mrs. Greg...I should not have been so vague when I refered to the backwardness of some. I was just trying NOT to be so direct....but hey...why not??

I'll change my sentence to this:

Maybe some should just subscribe to the rural electric in Arkansas!!!!

Seems one or two here took a swipe at you also and your " mindset" as a female!! OUCH...good thing they're not near Canada and swatting distance!!

I've got a house full of guns also, grew up around them....the daughter of a Fed firearms dealer , thus I certainly have no fear of them. But with all that exposure I have learned there are some people who DO NOT need to be near a gun and some places that do not require a gun...PERIOD
 

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